What exactly is a "bonus abuser"?

[EasyRhino]

Actually, what I preferred was 49er casino, which banned me from bonuses because when I would play them, I could cashout after the wagering requirement was met. Their wording seemed to imply that they wanted me to play more than the WR to not get flagged as an abuser.

If they wanted people to play more with a bonus, why don't they just increase the WR?

 

[Rusty]

The WR is 15*(D+B), which would be $15,000.

I head over to slots, winning $5,000 after $2,000 of wagers.

I then try and withdraw my deposit, bonus, and winnings without meeting the WR.

I'm not a bonus abuser?


"TRY TO WITHDRAW"

No you are NOT a bonus abuser because

1) You wouldnt get paid and would have any winnings confiscated

2)You were attracted to a bonus and new to online gambling.You made the common mistake of not meating the WR.

Get a grip Winbig

I once abused a bonus and now I am on the Bonus abusers register.Hope the neighbours do'nt find out

 

[Mousey]

Baaad Mousey! Bad! Received this little xmas 'treat' today. (Another one bites the dust and gets uninstalled. I can see my desktop!) I guess I don't usually deposit much beyond what is required to receive the bonuses, so therefore I don't qualify to receive the bonuses anymore. I believe I am now, officially, a GG bonus abuser. It's nice to know I am still elligible for the casino tourneys and promos that a low roller like me never has a chance in hell to win. pfffft.... Buh-bye.

Dear mmmmm,

Thank you for your loyalty to Fortune Lounge and your activity at GoneGambling.

As you know, in partnership with Fortune Lounge, GoneGambling offers casino credits to players for activities at the GoneGambling site and at Fortune Lounge casinos.

When GoneGambling asked us to provide our shared customers with special bonuses, we happily accepted. However, we have noted for some time that there are a few customers whose usage of these bonuses significantly exceeds our expectations, to the point where it is no longer viable for us to continue offering them.

Unfortunately, you are among this group. Although we sincerely value your business, the high volume of GoneGambling casino credits you've benefited from means that from January 9th, 2006 you will no longer be eligible for Fortune Lounge bonuses generated by the GoneGambling website.

Your eligibility for other Fortune Lounge bonuses and tournament prizes will in no way be affected by this decision.

We apologize for any disappointment this may cause.

Thank you for understanding,

John Hughes
Marketing Director, Fortune Lounge

 

[Zoozie]

The same happened to me at Roxy

I had only claimed gonegambling bonuses for 2 months actually and Roxy was
my favorite casino over the last year meaning I played there a lot.

And all this loyalty was also lost since Roxy also banned me from the normal weekly loyalty deposit bonuses. I wish I had not taken the small bonuses from Gone Gambling if they resulted in the 'bad standing' I somehow got with Roxy.

Zoozie

 

[frufrugirl]

Baaad Mousey! Bad! Received this little xmas 'treat' today. (Another one bites the dust and gets uninstalled. I can see my desktop!) I guess I don't usually deposit much beyond what is required to receive the bonuses, so therefore I don't qualify to receive the bonuses anymore. I believe I am now, officially, a GG bonus abuser. It's nice to know I am still elligible for the casino tourneys and promos that a low roller like me never has a chance in hell to win. pfffft.... Buh-bye.

whoaaaaa....isnt GG screaming for members? If this is what you are going to get for joining and using what is offered by GG..they are in trouble. ...

 

[winbig]

Baaad Mousey! Bad! Received this little xmas 'treat' today. (Another one bites the dust and gets uninstalled. I can see my desktop!) I guess I don't usually deposit much beyond what is required to receive the bonuses, so therefore I don't qualify to receive the bonuses anymore. I believe I am now, officially, a GG bonus abuser. It's nice to know I am still elligible for the casino tourneys and promos that a low roller like me never has a chance in hell to win. pfffft.... Buh-bye.

Maybe they can get the year right next time they send out the form letter. Jan. 9th 2006? Almost a year ago

 

[mtx]

What is the purpose of Gone Gambling?

 

[frufrugirl]

You aquire points that can be converted into bonuses at participating casinos. You do this by playing their games.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Bonus Bans

I got banned by Fortune Lounge from the GG bonuses, and I was depositing $1000's !!!! Somehow, they lifted the ban and I got a few tiddlers recently.

I was banned from Roxy Newsletter deposits in May, and have just been banned from these as Splendido (assumed as I didn't get the last two).

I have been receiving GG bonus only at Roxy (no Newsletters).

GG need more members, and have lost many sponsor casinos. This will only add to problems as fewer casinos mean they will be handing out more bonuses, and this could lead to more members getting banned. Once a GG member is banned from the bonuses, then it is just a forum and free games site. It looks like the problem is the casinos, they want loads of NEW accounts opened through GG to justify their sponsorship, but they don't like handing out the bonuses to the existing players for too long.
If there was more of a turnover at GG, then it would be less likely that casinos would end up getting fed up of handing out bonuses to the same old members, and new casinos would offer the chance to win bonuses where the player has no history of winning too much free GG money.

In order to prevent more bans, I use GG a lot less than before, and win far fewer bonuses - so far, this has done the trick, no new bans

 

[mtx]

All this talk about GG makes me excited as I've never heard of them before...

Let me get this straight, we get paid in the form of bonuses to play games, so that we can play even more games? What kind of games do we play to achieve these bonuses? Free? Real money? Are these bonuses worth it?

 

[vinylweatherman]

Have a Look

Go have a look www.gonegambling.com

There is no easy explanation. The only rule is "no Aussies!". When you register you get 1999 points free, this is one less than needed to claim a bonus

As well as playing the games, points are earned by opening NEW casino accounts through the auction game, or bidding in the auction game to make repeat deposits into existing accounts.

Each Month, half a dozen casinos allow 2500 points to be redeemed as a $25 bonus chip, and more give 5% to 15% extra for set monthly deposit levels. (10% is for $500 per 30 days).

There is a forum, and many games that are played with your points.
There are also ways to win more points through certain parts of the site. They are crying out for new members to just try them out, and if more join this will encourage more casinos to become part of it, and in turn this should take the heat of us regulars who are winning too many of the bonuses.

NO MONEY is paid to GoneGambling for membership, you deposit with the casinos just as you would anyway, but you qualify for these extras.

 

[mtx]

Went thru their site, read it, but still confused... it's so complicated!

 

[Rusty]

Went thru their site, read it, but still confused... it's so complicated!
Muhahahahahahahhaahhhahhahahhahah

 

[Beekeeper]

They make the rules. We follow them. I don't see how anyone can possibly be being abused here.



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www.valuebetting.co.uk

 

[Addisyn]

I am signing up with GG who is referring me?

 

[KasinoKing]

Went thru their site, read it, but still confused... it's so complicated!

I signed up there last year.... got total head-spin... had not the faintest idea how it all worked... and never went back.

The impression I got that it meant a lot of complicated farting about for tiny rewards.. but maybe I'm wrong...?

If someone could explain it in simple, single sentences, bullet point, one syllable words, maybe I'd look again...

 

[Mousey]

I signed up there last year.... got total head-spin... had not the faintest idea how it all worked... and never went back.

The impression I got that it meant a lot of complicated farting about for tiny rewards.. but maybe I'm wrong...?

If someone could explain it in simple, single sentences, bullet point, one syllable words, maybe I'd look again...

Playing at GG is a lot of 'farting about' scrambling for points, etc., and can be quite time consuming if you let it. I used to get upwards of $100 of bonuses per month out of GG participation. I just don't have the time (except when I'm broke LOL), and now I cant earn bonuses for FL so it's not worth my time.

Back to bonus abuse... This is in Big Dollar (and probably GrandPrive) T&C.

In cases where a player has been identified as a bonus abuser in BIG DOLLAR CASINO or any of its associated casinos, BIG DOLLAR CASINO reserves the right to deny a player any download bonus on his / her first deposit. In such cases, the original deposit will be refunded, however, the player will not benefit from the bonus-promotion he / she is judged to have abused.
A bonus abuser is defined as a player who uses promotional-bonus money to deviously profit from bonus-promotions that are offered, in good faith, by the Casino with a view to gaining player loyalty. Such players generally accept bonuses, wager the minimum amount and immediately cash out. BIG DOLLAR CASINO reserves the right to take appropriate action against such Players.

"Deviously profit"? Just what does that mean? It's illegal for us to use our brain?

Hmmmm.... and " Such players generally accept bonuses, wager the minimum amount and immediately cash out." That's the way I play whether I use a bonus or not. And if they don't like their own WR, then change it!!

 

[maltacruiser]

Bonus abuse

In my experience a bonus abuser is someone who never actually risks their own funds i.e. deposit 50, get 50 bonus, withdraw initial 50, and try and wager bonus up to wagering requirements.

 

[jerrylee]

bonus hunter

just heard from a friend, who works for a casino what their controllers deem bonus hunting:
scenario: new player deposited $80, got $80 match sticky bonus. Played BJ and cashed out same day for just $105. ($25 winnings+$80 deposit). His cashout was denied. Few days later tried again. Cashout denied again. Finally , player support told him to send his docs. Why? because their controllers labelled him a bonus "hunter'.
My friend says usually that casino only verifies for large payouts or when players break the T&C.

Goes to show how important CM's advice is to cover your tracks... when you sign up somewhere, play over a few days..don't make yourself an easy target.

 

[winbig]

just heard from a friend, who works for a casino what their controllers deem bonus hunting:
scenario: new player deposited $80, got $80 match sticky bonus. Played BJ and cashed out same day for just $105. ($25 winnings+$80 deposit). His cashout was denied. Few days later tried again. Cashout denied again. Finally , player support told him to send his docs. Why? because their controllers labelled him a bonus "hunter'.
My friend says usually that casino only verifies for large payouts or when players break the T&C.

Goes to show how important CM's advice is to cover your tracks... when you sign up somewhere, play over a few days..don't make yourself an easy target.

Why should it matter if they tried to cash out $25 over his deposit the same day? There's many players that will try a same-day cashout to test out how fast the casino is in processing withdraws.

Those type of casinos need to get their act together. What's to say that the same type of person will try a $25 net profit cashout, get the run-around, and will never be back...but would have deposited thousands in the future had they sent his money quickly?

A similar scenario would be driving in a new car lot with a piece of junk, dressed shabbily, but not doing business there because they couldn't get waited on, or didn't get any respect when a salesperson did talk to him.

But yet that person is actually a millionaire, and would have paid cash for brand new car had they waited on him, or at least treated him with respect as they would any other customer.

Some food for thought....

 

[vinylweatherman]

Rogued

just heard from a friend, who works for a casino what their controllers deem bonus hunting:
scenario: new player deposited $80, got $80 match sticky bonus. Played BJ and cashed out same day for just $105. ($25 winnings+$80 deposit). His cashout was denied. Few days later tried again. Cashout denied again. Finally , player support told him to send his docs. Why? because their controllers labelled him a bonus "hunter'.
My friend says usually that casino only verifies for large payouts or when players break the T&C.

Goes to show how important CM's advice is to cover your tracks... when you sign up somewhere, play over a few days..don't make yourself an easy target.

This casino has pretty much confessed to being Rogue material in my eyes. This was a STICKY bonus, so most likely never came into play, and the player made a profit of $25 playing their own funds. Also, this exposes the "documents" routine for what it really is - to jerk around the player!
Sadly, this means that a legit casino asking for documents sooner rather than later will also be assumed to be employing delaying tactics.
Whoever heard of this at a B & M - "Sorry sir, you can't leave the premises with your own money until you have been iris scanned and fingerprinted. Our guy will be in next week to do you all! - We have to make sure you are the same person who walked in earlier to prevent fraud & money laundering. We apologise for this inconvenience, have a nice day & come again soon."

 

[Simmo!]

There's many players that will try a same-day cashout to test out how fast the casino is in processing withdraws.

Exactly what I do, even if its only a token $20

 

[jerrylee]

This casino has pretty much confessed to being Rogue material in my eyes. This was a STICKY bonus, so most likely never came into play, and the player made a profit of $25 playing their own funds. Also, this exposes the "documents" routine for what it really is - to jerk around the player! ...
.... We have to make sure you are the same person who walked in earlier to prevent fraud & money laundering. We apologise for this inconvenience, have a nice day & come again soon."

Actually, I heard online casinos have measures in place that detect potential fraud, including the following scenarios:
-player deposits with neteller, wagers nothing and cashes out to a check. suspected money launderer/
-player deposits, as above, cashes out same day losing no deposit...red flag
-player deposits with someone else's credit card, wants to cash out to the same card...red flag..player told to use his own credit card
-son borrows father's credit card to deposit, name on card and player's account registration don't match...red flag
-player registered in one country, connecting through a proxy server in another country...red flag
and on and on....

And get this vinylweatherman ... the original scenario where you'd consider that rogue behavior .. is actually an accredited CM casino! ha, bet you didn't see that coming.

 

[TempletonDink]

There is no such thing as a bonus abuser.

It's just a term the casinos and affiliates made up so they can steal winnings from players.

Classic bonus abuse is hitting your rollover, withdrawing your entire balance and then depositing, rinse, repeat. Abuse constitutes receiving a bonus on the same funds multiple times. So if you deposit $500, get a $50 bonus, withdraw $550 and then immediately deposit $500 again you're effectively getting the same bonus twice. Not that the casinos don't hold their house edge while you're trying to hit rollover, but if you're playing with a disciplined strategy it's fairly easy (and boring) to play to break even.

 

[Rusty]

Actually, I heard online casinos have measures in place that detect potential fraud, including the following scenarios:
-player deposits with neteller, wagers nothing and cashes out to a check. suspected money launderer/
-player deposits, as above, cashes out same day losing no deposit...red flag
-player deposits with someone else's credit card, wants to cash out to the same card...red flag..player told to use his own credit card
-son borrows father's credit card to deposit, name on card and player's account registration don't match...red flag
-player registered in one country, connecting through a proxy server in another country...red flag
and on and on....

Hey you missed some!

-player deposits with own debit card,meets WR, tries to cash out...red flag
-player registered in UK,connects through own pc,wins money......red flag
-player makes withdrawal request......red flag
-players pc crashes on racing line......red flag
and on and on.......white flag!