US Players and Casinomeister

[SlotsWizard]

Absolutely this was a wise decision, Bryan.

Given the gray area intentionally placed in the wording of the new law about "encouraging or facilitating the placing of bets", it's highly likely that a public figure such as yourself could be subject to arrest if you came back to Vegas or somewhere - so it's very smart to eliminate anything from your web site that could possibly get you in trouble.

My decision on how to handle the situation was similar; I disabled/censored advertisements for places that accept US customers, as well as any page (such as banking information) which could be considered to "encourage, promote or facilitate blah blah...", but these items are only disabled for US residents; other countries can see everything "uncensored".

As these sites create non-US operations, I will phase out the US-friendly sites and replace them with the non-US sites. It's certainly good to hear that many of them will come up with non-US replacements, because there are still a lot of good sites that are US-friendly.

Thank you for the informative update, Bryan.

 

[Rollo]

Wizard of Odds... a true soldier

Wizard of Odds has decided to only accept one advertiser: BoDog.

Now that's a bold move. Crazy brave.

I wish him much good luck... BoDog is almost sure to be the next one to get hit.

 

[Pinababy69]

I sure wasn't happy when I read Bryan's statement this morning, my initial reaction was that it was a cop-out. I mean Christ, if CM wouldnt' stand up to this stupid law, then how could we expect anyone to? And then it hit me. Bryan is still a US citizen and the majority of his family still lives in the U.S., compelling him to return to the States many times a year. How would you like to fly to the States five or six times a year and wonder every time if this will be the one where you get picked up by the authorities? And you know they'd do it too, just to make a point. Then what about his wife and kids in Germany? And what about this site if that happened?

So, given the alternatives....Bryan, I think you've made a wise choice. And if I'm way off base on my thoughts...sorry, just thinking out loud.

 

[Pinababy69]

God, let's just hope they never ban Pinababy's area!

He he...I double dog dare anyone to try and ban me from doing anything that I want (and that includes the Government).

 

[venetian]

CM you're a hellof a guy, we luv ya and at least for most of us we appreciate your need to do what you can to protect yourself. I am just glad that we in the US can still come here and visit our 'family' and live vicariously through you to see what we are missing. And for some of us that are brave enough to party on I hope you will let us post screenshots, have an adult beverage and enjoy the forum. Cheers!

 

[Macgyver]

Here here. Don't go peeps! We'd miss you Even Macguyver adds something

At least I would if you spelled my name right!!!

I'm here to stay, my playing was already limited to 3-4 places and they've locked my accounts. I'll await the time when they realize the mistake they've made and try to woo and entice me with good bonuses.

 

[TheBloke]

Wizard of Odds has decided to only accept one advertiser: BoDog.

Now that's a bold move. Crazy brave.

I wish him much good luck... BoDog is almost sure to be the next one to get hit.

It's been that way for years, that's not a recent decision. We'll not know if he's brave or not until he updates his site (or doesn't)

 

[Rollo]

It's been that way for years

Are you sure? I don't remember that being the case... at any rate, it's still very brave to keep advertising Bodog. He's right in the middle of the US, in a state that explicity outlaws online gambling, advertising the biggest target in the industry. I think he's being pretty brave.

 

[frufrugirl]

I thought it was just the listed states? Am I wrong? I live in PA and that is not on the list of illegal online gambling. With only a few listed states, why is there going to be so many changes

Maybe I am totally off base since I am brand new. Are those few listed states that are mentioned from previous bans and now ALL of the states are banned or is the list of states new and the ones not listed are allowed to gamble?

Sorry, I cant read alot at once or write alot at once. Maybe I just missed something. I just got paid from 2 casinos and I am being paid as soon as I am verified from superslots casino.

Babs Oct 1 congress snuck in a bill hidden in the Port Protection act that basically tries to squash online gambling for all US citizens..it effects the funding of online gambling..ie..use of credit cards(banks) to fund institutions that serve Casinos..so..that is why we are all trying to figure out alternative ways to fund our casino accounts that are still open to US citizens. The law is being legally interpreted around the Casino world, with closures to US citizens as a percaution. Recently an executive was arrested when he landed in the USA because his company is open to bets from Louisiana residents.Its illegal there and Louisiana had a warrent out for his arrest! It is also a no no to refer our citizens to online gambling sites..hence..CasinoMeisters changes.This kind of set things in motion for closures and then the Oct 1 bill came around..POW!!! Down we go. Hope this makes sense and it didnt tangle it all up!

 

[justred]

Wizard of Odds has decided to only accept one advertiser: BoDog.

Now that's a bold move. Crazy brave.

I wish him much good luck... BoDog is almost sure to be the next one to get hit.

That's old news and has nothing to do with recent events...

 

[Rollo]

When did that happen? It sure hasn't been years.

Ok, let me rephrase:

The Wizard of Odds' decision to stick with this one high-risk organization in a state that explicitly outlaws online gambling, thereby subjecting himself to possible legal action in this very unfrieldy climate, is very brave.

The point is the the Wizard not only has not bailed, but he is promoting the organiation that is likely at the highest risk to be the next one prosecuted.

Better?

 

[Casinomeister]

When did that happen? It sure hasn't been years.

I think it's been about a year. He auctioned off his banner space to the highest bidder, and Bodog was it.

 

[Addisyn]

Here this is what the online casinos are using...

Isn't it sad when you have to see this. Expired Image I figured the facists who have stolen our country would eventually start raiding our homes. Guess I didn't see this coming. Raiding our fun!

When I saw this little image for the frst time it really hit home. This country is going down the toliet! Please vote and put some checks and balances back in the landscape of American politics. If the E-voting machines don't eat your votes or change them to steal yet another election maybe we won't have to see Expired Image again.

 

[footdr]

THIS WILL DO U.S. PLAYERS MORE HARM THAN GOOD

I believe you are adressing this in a manner which, due to your influence in the online gaming business, will push the few remaining reputable companies to ban u.s. players.

I would like to suggest that the Act appears to ban ALL Casino/Poker advertisements so you would probably still not be in total compliance.

Perhaps the best approach for ALL of us would be to ban U.S. players from access to the website.

In this manner you will not force business to ban us if they need the exposure you provide them.

YOU THEN COULD ESTABLISH A U.S. FORUM. WHEN U.S. PLAYERS ENTER THE WEBSITE IN THEIR BROWSER THEY WOULD BE REDIRECTED AND SIGN IN ONLY TO THAT FORUM


I believe the approach you have planned to take is doing nothing but assisting the U.S. government in banning freedom of speech. U.S. supreme court has held that books can not be banned. Constitutionally we have a right to information.

Also, I believe the issue that should be addressed in court by the internet organizations is that if casinos are complying with the law, advertising on your site is meaningless for U.s. players anyway.

Please ban us not the casinos . your decision to ban them is doing both us and the casinos a disservice.

 

[-z-]

Whoops

From
-Casino Industry Discussion
-New Legislation Regulating US Players New Legislation Regulating US Players

I wrote:

Technology legislation always makes big headlines but when put to the test, the US congress couldn't pass gas let alone an effective law. Congress is only interested in jumping on the bandwagon of the day for votes and getting their hands o(n) more money to waste.

Whew.. I guess I would be hard pressed to have been more wrong. Guess they can pass a bill - right under their own noses.

FWIW: As I read it, it is not illegal to play the games, just the electronic transactions. If this is true, it's a shame the casinos are "folding before the flop" instead of working the loopholes like sending checks in the mail or something else.

I'll be back after the revolution. Til then, 2x thanks for the awesome site CM, I'm certain you saved me from the rogues a couple times at least; and thanks for all the great reading from everyone who chose to write rather than just read.

-z-

 

[babs7262]

credit card

When playing the other day at a casino (i wont say the name incase), they had a line when I pressed credit card that said "you may be declined because you are in the US" I did it anyway and got approved

Like I said before, Instadebit always works for me too. Some sites wont take my visa debit and some still will, even as late as last night

 

[Darem1]

Thanks for not banning us from the site

Thanks for not banning the USA players from this website.

 

[kengam]

thanks for showing backbone Bryan

 

[spearmaster]

thanks for showing backbone Bryan

You are an ingrate. And talking about backbone, who was it that could not prove his claims because he had too much to lose?

 

[kengam]

my post was not directed at you Spearmaster. Please don't make me bring up the English Harbour affair again. You looked silly defending them then and you will look even sillier defending them now. I guess they decided to scrap that double up game huh? Good think we found the bugs early on in that.

You lost the respect of many during that fiasco so you should probably just let it go.

 

[venetian]

kengam I don't know you but you sound like a bitter angry man. If you don't like CM or the main posters here why do you hang around?

 

[just play]

I believe you are adressing this in a manner which, due to your influence in the online gaming business, will push the few remaining reputable companies to ban u.s. players.

I would like to suggest that the Act appears to ban ALL Casino/Poker advertisements so you would probably still not be in total compliance.

Perhaps the best approach for ALL of us would be to ban U.S. players from access to the website.

In this manner you will not force business to ban us if they need the exposure you provide them.

YOU THEN COULD ESTABLISH A U.S. FORUM. WHEN U.S. PLAYERS ENTER THE WEBSITE IN THEIR BROWSER THEY WOULD BE REDIRECTED AND SIGN IN ONLY TO THAT FORUM


I believe the approach you have planned to take is doing nothing but assisting the U.S. government in banning freedom of speech. U.S. supreme court has held that books can not be banned. Constitutionally we have a right to information.

Also, I believe the issue that should be addressed in court by the internet organizations is that if casinos are complying with the law, advertising on your site is meaningless for U.s. players anyway.

Please ban us not the casinos . your decision to ban them is doing both us and the casinos a disservice.

:notworthy

 

[kengam]

Venetian, you should have stopped with you don't know me. Most others here do. I am not a bad guy. I just don't like corruption and cover ups. That issue is kept neatly tucked away in a locked thread. It is still very fresh in many peoples' minds though

 

[spearmaster]

Venetian, you should have stopped with you don't know me. Most others here do. I am not a bad guy. I just don't like corruption and cover ups. That issue is kept neatly tucked away in a locked thread. It is still very fresh in many peoples' minds though

The thread was locked because there was no useful discussion going on there - it was just a bitter slanging match between you guys and the casinos - you produced no proof to back your claims and unfortunately got a few other posters to buy into your baseless accusations.

I already addressed the issue I was looking into, which is that, after examining the code, it was my opinion that there was no ill-intent but instead a stupid bug. I never did finish my report, true - but it was clear that you were not interested in it so I dropped it, simple as that.

Now no more off-topic in this thread. You should not be talking to Bryan about backbone - he has way more than you do.

 

[Casinomeister]

thanks for showing backbone Bryan

Kengam - you are a twit. You don't have a clue to what I face on a daily basis. And believe me - I have way more backbone than you'll ever have. A Bronze Star and US Army Master Parachutist wings can give credence to that. You don't have any idea what I've dealt with and what I deal with now.

...I just don't like corruption and cover ups. That issue is kept neatly tucked away in a locked thread. It is still very fresh in many peoples' minds though...

Kengam - you are an idiot. I locked that thread because there was nothing new being said - and I told you, and anyone else interested, that you could start a new thread no problem. It was an administrative decision to lock it in order to keep the forum organized. If I was to refer someone to that thread - sixty pages of content with a bunch of moronic bumpings don't cut it.

You've become to frigging annoying, Kengam. Bye.