Raging Bull Casino

[SlotsLover]

Sorry, but my eyes are bleeding when try to read that. Too much paragraphs with no....

A little over the top, but fair enough. I'll make more paragraphs next time.

 

[BMWSTACK]

If the cashout was fixed at 4.5K that'd be fine but if it's something like 20x that's ridiculous. I did read the T&C and it states it's 4500 but that's where it gets weird - The bonus is up to 750. That means that with a deposit of $250 one could have a bankroll of 1K. Max cashout of that would be 4.5x bankroll. Don't you find this odd? To wager such amount of money you'd have to play with big bets which tends to end in either a bust or a positive balance of several thousands - probably exceeding 4.5K.

All you have to do is read the terms.

Yes on the 300% the max cashout is 4500 regardless of what you deposit.

On a lot of their other bonuses they do the 20x and 25x. The max cashout is based upon the DEPOSIT only and does not include the bonuses amount.

They have a 50% bonus up to $500 that is max cashout of $5000. So if you deposit $1000 to get the max bonus of 500 the most you will be able to cashout is $5000 which equals 5x deposit, not good at all.

 

[chiya]

Yeah so like I wrote, 4500 max. cashout is not bad for small depositors, but if you deposit big sums then 4.5k is a joke, for a $250 deposit it's less than 20x. And 20-25x max cashouts are a huge joke.

Clearly designed to screw small depositors over, and why not big depositors too! Thing is all RTG games have two random jackpots in them. If you deposited a $25 to have a lil bit of playtime and hit a 5K random jackpot, the casino can just confiscate over 90% of that jackpot because of these BS T&C's.

 

[gagamel]

Yeah so like I wrote, 4500 max. cashout is not bad for small depositors, but if you deposit big sums then 4.5k is a joke, for a $250 deposit it's less than 20x. And 20-25x max cashouts are a huge joke.

Clearly designed to screw small depositors over, and why not big depositors too! Thing is all RTG games have two random jackpots in them. If you deposited a $25 to have a lil bit of playtime and hit a 5K random jackpot, the casino can just confiscate over 90% of that jackpot because of these BS T&C's.

Yes you are right.

The point is another:

RB has T&C`s. If you can live with them play them. If not take another casino.

Or play RB without a bonus. In the forums is another thread about bonuses and if the time is over for these.

Every casino has different T&C`s. Read them and if you don`t like them go to the next casino.

 

[BMWSTACK]

Yes you are right.

The point is another:

RB has T&C`s. If you can live with them play them. If not take another casino.

Or play RB without a bonus. In the forums is another thread about bonuses and if the time is over for these.

Every casino has different T&C`s. Read them and if you don`t like them go to the next casino.

Yeah you keep saying the same thing. People making the point that its not a good deal will possibly have the casino change the terms. Wouldn't that be a good thing? Feedback like this helps. Its just like restaurant or store reviews, and when smart businesses listen to feedback they change things for the better.

@ Distrance--- Have you signed up at Lucky Red (Clubworld) yet? They have a 400% bonus which should not have a max cashout. I remember taking that bonus and beating playthrough with a balance way over $10,000.00.

 

[chiya]

Yeah I have. I feel like I've used all '' old '' RTG's with over 200% deposit bonuses and have gone to the more shady ones too; Loco Panda would be a good example. They took 7 months to pay me $900 after forcing me to first wager my whole balance once after six months of waiting for '' security check '' or whatever. Mysteriously enough wagering $1500 once reduced my balance by a whopping $600. Well can't complain since most people never see their money from LP or their sister casinos ..

Anyhow, I've decided to settle for more known casinos that are known to pay up but like I said - I've used them all, so my only chances for big bonuses are casinos like RB that are '' new ''. Not sure how new they are exactly but I hadn't heard from them before this thread. And don't get me wrong .. I'll be sure to play RB's first offer, but it doesn't mean I can't give negative feedback on their T&C's.

The sad part is that all the '' good '' RTG casinos with big bonuses .. And same goes for Microgaming btw, a lot of CR casinos for ex. give 400-500% bonuses .. I never won a penny from those. My RTP was probably negative after playing through all of those. And then once in a blue moon when I actually WIN I run into issues; rogue casino or otherwise refuses to pay + other issues too .. Still salty about that Yakocasino issue too. Ugh.. the suspense is killing me while not hearing anything from maxd regarding the pab.

 

[michielm1]

I see more than a few topics on raging bull casino...
Why the fuzz about some 13 in a dozen rtg casino which isnt even remotely accredited in any way, shape or form???

 

[JasonFTA]

Hi there guys,

Wow, you all have been very busy in my absence. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you all, been in and out meeting, negotiating deals as well as cracking skulls for the majority of the day.

Firstly, I have changed the max cashout on the Raging Bull Casino welcome bonus from $4500 to $5000 which equates to 20 x the max deposit of $250.
Secondly, Raging Bull Casino launched at the beginning of Feb 2015 so we are a fairly new brand. However the Management team (which includes me...lol...) have all been in the igaming business from the beginning and we have all worked for some of the biggest MGS brands in the past.

I know I asked the question "What is the purpose of a bonus". My understanding of a bonus is to incentivise a player for their loyalty as well as to allow for more game time.
In the past, I have advised my VIP's to rather not accept match offers due to limitations and restrictions but that I would rather reward them with freebies based on their past activity. To be honest, 99% of the guys opted in for that option.

Bonuses are headaches. I don't punt that much but when I do punt, I NEVER accept a bonus. # 1 reason is that I play Blackjack and # 2 reason is, I know that bonuses are in favor of the house.

To the guys that have given us a punt and enjoyed it.... thanks a ton, to those of you who haven't yet tried us out. Give us a bash and let me know your thoughts.

Regards
Jason

 

[dunover]

I gave up with Raging Bull as when I tried to deposit this weekend it kept coming up with 'reached the maximum number of transactions allowed for this payment method (debit card)' even though I'd only done a few before. Silly pink message box. I think that's me and my brief dalliance with RTG (Robbing The Gullible) games over with.

 

[JasonFTA]

Hi Dunover,

Sorry about this error which you received. I have my guys working on this for you. We have updated your banking profile and this should be resolved.
In the meantime, I matched your last successful deposit with a 100% match.

I looked into your game play and I see that the games were a bit harsh, maybe you can look at a few game suggestions below and wo know, maybe they can held in a cashable balance. These are just suggestions and I can't gaurantee that you will break the bank on them.

Ghost Ship
Triple Twister
Aztecs Treasure
Pay Dirt

Give these a punt and let's see. Don't come hunt me down if they don't work out for you.

Regards
Jason

 

[spintee]

I did see the post the other day but as I had a big shout in the other thread I thought I see what people are saying

@Dunover I wish they would of denied my transactions in the last week

Had a good few depos's, Nothing majour but still a loss I love a depo bonus gives extra playtime, & If you do hit big than you either play a good game and chance to cash out good or get decent play time,

@Jason, With the weekend bonus there is 3 of them, 25 depo / 50 / 100/ It states you can use one each day? I used the 25 one on Friday & Sat than on Sunday it had gone? So you missed a depo of me there, Can you only use one for each day, Such if you use one than you canot use it again?

Cheers

Edit:: With the weekend bonus you get free spins and you have to use theses first, I hit a decent win and slamed my wager over the roof

 

[JasonFTA]

Hi spintee,

The offers should be available all three days. even though you claimed them the previous two days, that should not affect anything. Can you recall the time you logged in to claim the offer. It could have something to do with server time and when the promo was set up to end. I will have to look into this for you.

Anxiously awaiting your reply!

Regards
Jason

 

[spintee]

Hi spintee,

The offers should be available all three days. even though you claimed them the previous two days, that should not affect anything. Can you recall the time you logged in to claim the offer. It could have something to do with server time and when the promo was set up to end. I will have to look into this for you.

Anxiously awaiting your reply!

Regards
Jason

It was geting late around 9 - 10 pm U.K on the Sunday, The other 2 offers was there except the 25 deposit one ? I did try taping in the code but to no avail

 

[dunover]

Hi Dunover,

Sorry about this error which you received. I have my guys working on this for you. We have updated your banking profile and this should be resolved.
In the meantime, I matched your last successful deposit with a 100% match.

I looked into your game play and I see that the games were a bit harsh, maybe you can look at a few game suggestions below and wo know, maybe they can held in a cashable balance. These are just suggestions and I can't gaurantee that you will break the bank on them.

Ghost Ship
Triple Twister
Aztecs Treasure
Pay Dirt

Give these a punt and let's see. Don't come hunt me down if they don't work out for you.

Regards
Jason

Cheers for that, 4 minutes at minimum stake and gone lol....! I wasn't getting at receiving a ND chip just saying the deposit issue is present. As you honestly point out the bonuses are massively in the casinos' favour where RTG are concerned as their RTPs are clearly much lower than other software. If Netent or MG offered the bonuses RTG casinos do, they'd be bust in a week!

Players just need to remember why RTG bonuses appear so 'generous' compared to other software. There is a reason for it which I can skip by asking regular RTG players to compare their 'bust' deposits to those with which they cashed out with.

When players come on here and say 'I have made 40 consecutive deposits at X or Y MG or Netent site without a w/d'..... I am automatically sceptical as I will be 99% sure from my own experience that this will be down to their lack of discipline to w/d at a realistic profit instead of playing until bust.

When players say the same about RTG sites, I will 99% believe them.

 

[JasonFTA]

Hi spintee,

Thanks for the confirmation, this is really strange as I have checked the coupon sets (rules) and even server time wouldn't of affected this as you are in the UK so you are ahead of the server time.

I have just checked your account and I see that you were successful in claiming it on the Sunday.
The transaction dates and times are as follows:

8/7/2015 8:00:48 AM 1663999 Coupon redeemed WILD1 (2 of Unlimited)(10 free spins)
8/8/2015 8:56:09 AM 1683228 Coupon redeemed WILD1 (3 of Unlimited)(10 free spins)
8/9/2015 3:57:02 AM 1697439 Coupon redeemed WILD1 (4 of Unlimited)(10 free spins)

Let me know.

Regards
Jason

 

[BMWSTACK]

I know I asked the question "What is the purpose of a bonus". My understanding of a bonus is to incentivise a player for their loyalty as well as to allow for more game time.
In the past, I have advised my VIP's to rather not accept match offers due to limitations and restrictions but that I would rather reward them with freebies based on their past activity. To be honest, 99% of the guys opted in for that option.

Bonuses are headaches. I don't punt that much but when I do punt, I NEVER accept a bonus. # 1 reason is that I play Blackjack and # 2 reason is, I know that bonuses are in favor of the house.

You need to understand what RTG and their players are about. You mentioned you and others having experience outside RTG. It would be quite important for the success of RB to know RTG.

Most players on RTG do like TAKING BONUSES. Standard RTG Bonuses range from 50% to 100% with the standard restriction being table games & slot tournaments. These bonuses have playthrough and have no MAX CASHOUT.

You mentioned adviding VIPS to not accept bonuses and accept freebies. Now I understand that maybe there were not restrictions on your freebies where you were, but the RTG "Free Chip" will normally have a very low max cashout, unless you are going to treat it like cash.

I know you keep trying to put a positive spin on things. You certainly are upbeat and positive which is great, but we have to compare apples to apples. So when it comes down to it, I and others will only compare you to RTG Casinos. And any feedback I provide is only based upon comparison with RTG. Why do you think I keep questioning the Max Cashout? Its because I do not know a single Accredited RTG or even others that do max cashouts, beyond a large percentage welcome bonus. So in order to compete you at least have to be on a level playing field.

 

[JasonFTA]

Cheers for that, 4 minutes at minimum stake and gone lol....! I wasn't getting at receiving a ND chip just saying the deposit issue is present. As you honestly point out the bonuses are massively in the casinos' favour where RTG are concerned as their RTPs are clearly much lower than other software. If Netent or MG offered the bonuses RTG casinos do, they'd be bust in a week!

Players just need to remember why RTG bonuses appear so 'generous' compared to other software. There is a reason for it which I can skip by asking regular RTG players to compare their 'bust' deposits to those with which they cashed out with.

When players come on here and say 'I have made 40 consecutive deposits at X or Y MG or Netent site without a w/d'..... I am automatically sceptical as I will be 99% sure from my own experience that this will be down to their lack of discipline to w/d at a realistic profit instead of playing until bust.

When players say the same about RTG sites, I will 99% believe them.

Hi Dunover,

Mate, I know you were not in it for a bonus... this was a little gesture from me to you. The same goes for the game suggestions. I don't like doing game suggestion as some players will hold you to those suggestions and I can't deal with death threats any longer...lol.... Just kidding!!

Sorry that the bonus and the suggestion fell flat. I was hoping for a positive outcome, but this bronchitis has resulted in me losing my mojo!

I fixed the issue with regards to your transactions, so it is totally up to you. If you not happy with the run you having, then I will totally understand and respect your decision.

However, when I do visit the UK, I will expect you to meet me for a few beers!

Regards
Jason

 

[gagamel]

Hi Jason

first thank you for managing my withdrawal

I am green VIP level now. How much do I have to deposit to jump one step up (I think it`s red level)?

 

[spintee]

Hi spintee,

Thanks for the confirmation, this is really strange as I have checked the coupon sets (rules) and even server time wouldn't of affected this as you are in the UK so you are ahead of the server time.

I have just checked your account and I see that you were successful in claiming it on the Sunday.
The transaction dates and times are as follows:

8/7/2015 8:00:48 AM 1663999 Coupon redeemed WILD1 (2 of Unlimited)(10 free spins)
8/8/2015 8:56:09 AM 1683228 Coupon redeemed WILD1 (3 of Unlimited)(10 free spins)
8/9/2015 3:57:02 AM 1697439 Coupon redeemed WILD1 (4 of Unlimited)(10 free spins)

Let me know.

Regards
Jason

Well blow me,

You are right I used it in the morning, So wonder why the others 2 showed? or can you use them all across the 3 days? like used each one each day? You must be able to as they showed and the other did not,

Had a couple of deposits on the 2nd it shows as well, I do hate the way alot of sites use that method, the month and day is switched around, instead of the 02/8/15 you get 8/02/15 I think this is a U.S Way

 

[silcnlayc]

Well blow me,

You are right I used it in the morning, So wonder why the others 2 showed? or can you use them all across the 3 days? like used each one each day? You must be able to as they showed and the other did not,

Had a couple of deposits on the 2nd it shows as well, I do hate the way alot of sites use that method, the month and day is switched around, instead of the 02/8/15 you get 8/02/15 I think this is a U.S Way

We in the USA say August 10, 2015 not 10 August 2015. That does not even sound right...military does the same thing which is totally confusing because No one walks around saying 10 of August 2015...do they? ...

 

[dunover]

The logical way is to have units of measurement in ascending/descending order. I.E. marathon completed in 2:34:15 (2hrs 34 mins 15 secs) or a horserace over 1mile, 3 furlongs and 50 yards.

So the logical date is day/month/year.

Which is why the rest of the world has it that way...

 

[Tirilej]

The logical way is to have units of measurement in ascending/descending order. I.E. marathon completed in 2:34:15 (2hrs 34 mins 15 secs) or a horserace over 1mile, 3 furlongs and 50 yards.

So the logical date is day/month/year.

Which is why the rest of the world has it that way...

Not all of the world I believe. We do have it like you but if we say for example our birthdate then it is year/month/day, never the opposite.
Dates otherwise we can write both ways as long as the day and month don't get mixed up.

I know casinos have them in different orders when I register so I have given the wrong birthdate on several occasions.
I have 08/09 so it can easily be mixed if I rush it

 

[JasonFTA]

Hi Jason

first thank you for managing my withdrawal

I am green VIP level now. How much do I have to deposit to jump one step up (I think it`s red level)?

Hi gagamel1,

Welcome to the GREEN BULL VIP tier. The tier movements are based on a number of factors i.e. deposit frequency, number of deposits and number of bets/wagering etc.

Regards
Jason

 

[dionysus]

An an aside, having taught English, dates were always confusing for second language learners as it's NOT universal - for example, here, if my birthday were say, January 20th, 1980, I'd shorthand (as is common in Canada) write 1/20/80 not 20/1/80 (though I personally agree it makes more sense to go day/mo/yr....
20/1/80)...and yes, some people do walk around saying January the 20th along with the 20th of January.
Anyway, we just teach the kids, it's not universal and save yourself the headache by writing the date or abbrev. not the string of digits.

 

[rena35]

I have never done well with Keno or RTG casinos but i had an amazing run of luck. I hope the cashout goes well for me. I got this off of $1 comp point . I will post here if things go smothly .