Howdy! Patent needs development

[jas2587]

just like a snitch oppps I mean Troll
get called out an run



Cindy

 

[LaurieJim]

ok suze or cindy im confused on still what the a/g is trying to sell ,can you explain to me in laurieneese patents and texas and b/m casinos, this must be my dumb night........laurie

 

[suzecat]

ok suze or cindy im confused on still what the a/g is trying to sell ,can you explain to me in laurieneese patents and texas and b/m casinos, this must be my dumb night........laurie

LOL.........laurie, you are not dumb!

I think what AG is trying to do is patent a method he has created which circumvents existing rules for using credit cards to fund gambling. The B&Ms come into play because AG feels his patent will allow winnings made there to be credited to credit cards. AG is asking us for the name of software providers who may be interested in this system.


.................or I could have missed the mark completely

 

[attorneygeneral]

Your right on the Mark! Except I have my patent. And this method will work for online gameplay also..Geez, can I just pm Someone to verify my method and get all the b.s over with? How about you suzecat? That way I may be taken a little more serious on this topic......

 

[attorneygeneral]

Ooops , sorry, cant delete

 

[jas2587]

to be honest I had no flippen idea I was
just goin by what an how the other Meister
Members was replying lol


Cindy

 

[BingoT]

Do you look like this guy?

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I'm just having some fun today LOL

 

[attorneygeneral]

Some of you guys are a real class act, I dont even know what the term troll really means, I dont do forums much, but im sure its something to do with posting threads just to get s rise out of people? Suppose I will google it. If all you have to offer is name calling dont bother posting on my thread, otherwise I will just start a new similar one... What respectable member here would like to look at my method and tell others on this thread that im not BS ing? So far no one has offered anything constructive to the original question at hand. Geez, Grow up.

 

[attorneygeneral]

Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling where the rate of deception is high many honestly nave questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation." (Donath, 1999, p. 45)[1]
As posted before does anyone besides the troll vultures have anything constructive?

 

[mercy]

Your right on the Mark! Except I have my patent. And this method will work for online gameplay also..Geez, can I just pm Someone to verify my method and get all the b.s over with? How about you suzecat? That way I may be taken a little more serious on this topic......

okay

 

[attorneygeneral]

For a "newbie' on this forum you sure act as though you swing a mighty sword. I suppose you are an old timer that has been kicked off a few times, and im sure rightly so... My method is legal ,,,,, repeat "LEGAL" "LEGAL", and I am dealing with the larger guys as we speak... as I mentioned before, they take too long to make decisions..And I am exploring all of my options, or trying to. GEEZ, you are making me sick, just dont post on my thread anymore. Does anyone out there have any idea about Gambling law, specifically 47.01 texas penal code? please stand up..... I read a post earlier about an internet cafe' being shut down and hardly anyone knew about sweepstakes law and how it can be used in an entertaining style manner to play games with cash payout, im sure this is way over you level as you prob. never study it, as most on this forum just seem to be players, not developers or casino owners. I will not let the ignorance of the few deter me in my objectives, call me troll, calll me illegal , whatever, you do not know what I know when it comes to law, otherwise you would show interest in how I am doing this instead of just rambling on with your uninformed accusations.

 

[anniemac]

47.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Bet" means an agreement to win or lose something
of value solely or partially by chance. A bet does not include:
(A) contracts of indemnity or guaranty, or life,
health, property, or accident insurance;
(B) an offer of a prize, award, or compensation
to the actual contestants in a bona fide contest for the
determination of skill, speed, strength, or endurance or to the
owners of animals, vehicles, watercraft, or aircraft entered in a
contest; or
(C) an offer of merchandise, with a value not
greater than $25, made by the proprietor of a bona fide carnival
contest conducted at a carnival sponsored by a nonprofit religious,
fraternal, school, law enforcement, youth, agricultural, or civic
group, including any nonprofit agricultural or civic group
incorporated by the state before 1955, if the person to receive the
merchandise from the proprietor is the person who performs the
carnival contest.
(2) "Bookmaking" means:
(A) to receive and record or to forward more than
five bets or offers to bet in a period of 24 hours;
(B) to receive and record or to forward bets or
offers to bet totaling more than $1,000 in a period of 24 hours; or
(C) a scheme by three or more persons to receive,
record, or forward a bet or an offer to bet.
(3) "Gambling place" means any real estate, building,
room, tent, vehicle, boat, or other property whatsoever, one of the
uses of which is the making or settling of bets, bookmaking, or the
conducting of a lottery or the playing of gambling devices.
(4) "Gambling device" means any electronic,
electromechanical, or mechanical contrivance not excluded under
Paragraph (B) that for a consideration affords the player an
opportunity to obtain anything of value, the award of which is
determined solely or partially by chance, even though accompanied
by some skill, whether or not the prize is automatically paid by the
contrivance. The term:
(A) includes, but is not limited to, gambling
device versions of bingo, keno, blackjack, lottery, roulette, video
poker, or similar electronic, electromechanical, or mechanical
games, or facsimiles thereof, that operate by chance or partially
so, that as a result of the play or operation of the game award
credits or free games, and that record the number of free games or
credits so awarded and the cancellation or removal of the free games
or credits; and
(B) does not include any electronic,
electromechanical, or mechanical contrivance designed, made, and
adapted solely for bona fide amusement purposes if the contrivance
rewards the player exclusively with noncash merchandise prizes,
toys, or novelties, or a representation of value redeemable for
those items, that have a wholesale value available from a single
play of the game or device of not more than 10 times the amount
charged to play the game or device once or $5, whichever is less.
(5) "Altered gambling equipment" means any
contrivance that has been altered in some manner, including, but
not limited to, shaved dice, loaded dice, magnetic dice, mirror
rings, electronic sensors, shaved cards, marked cards, and any
other equipment altered or designed to enhance the actor's chances
of winning.
(6) "Gambling paraphernalia" means any book,
instrument, or apparatus by means of which bets have been or may be
recorded or registered; any record, ticket, certificate, bill,
slip, token, writing, scratch sheet, or other means of carrying on
bookmaking, wagering pools, lotteries, numbers, policy, or similar
games.
(7) "Lottery" means any scheme or procedure whereby
one or more prizes are distributed by chance among persons who have
paid or promised consideration for a chance to win anything of
value, whether such scheme or procedure is called a pool, lottery,
raffle, gift, gift enterprise, sale, policy game, or some other
name.
(8) "Private place" means a place to which the public
does not have access, and excludes, among other places, streets,
highways, restaurants, taverns, nightclubs, schools, hospitals,
and the common areas of apartment houses, hotels, motels, office
buildings, transportation facilities, and shops.
(9) "Thing of value" means any benefit, but does not
include an unrecorded and immediate right of replay not
exchangeable for value.

Here is the Texas Penal Code you referenced. For the life of me, as a fellow Texan and know what I know about the gambling problems we have, I don't see where you are going to be able to circumvent the laws.

As my state representative said to me, "Gambling is illegal in Texas".

As for getting help on this forum, I think you are beating a dead horse.

 

[suzecat]

Thank you anniemac!!!!

IF (big IF) AG can successfully contravene Texas law with his patent/method, he still has federal law re credit cards to contravene..........like I said earlier, I await case law regarding that breach to satisfy me that this method works. Until then, I do wish AG much success with his method and hope there are no hard feelings.

 

[attorneygeneral]

I'm really familiar with the law, others tried (8 liner game rooms) to circumvent it by going around it. ie giving out walmart gift cards, ball bearings that you can cash back in at the local bearing distributor! yes I have seen that! Etc... I have seen it all, including aces wired stored point card, its a gift card in sheeps clothing. My method attacks the law itself, it does not bend it, go around it, it just runs right through it. The three elements that make gambling are prize,consideration and chance. Figure out the one that you can get rid of and you have the answer. If any of these elements are taken out, it is not gambling anymore. Example: A bar puts up the prize money for the nightly poker tourney, Legal! no consideration for the patron, I have taken out chance with my method, thus making no "bet" enough said.

 

[attorneygeneral]

Thanks suzecat, I/we are thinking of asking for a A.G opinion or just develop the dam thing and go for it. of course an A,G's opinion would be a golden ticket, but you must remember that it is an opinion only! And he can twist things anyway he wants,, I would rather be judged by 12 of my peers, as the A.G may have an agenda of his own?

 

[lots0]

I know several small developers... and some large ones as well.
I also, run some non-cash slots game sites.

Attorney General, PM me, I would like to see what you've got (never thought I'd be saying that...)

 

[attorneygeneral]

Sent, if you have any questions pm me on it,and forward the developers please. oh and by the way, please inform these folks here that its for real! I can see how they are not believing it... thx A.G.

 

[suzecat]

Thanks suzecat, I/we are thinking of asking for a A.G opinion or just develop the dam thing and go for it. of course an A,G's opinion would be a golden ticket, but you must remember that it is an opinion only! And he can twist things anyway he wants,, I would rather be judged by 12 of my peers, as the A.G may have an agenda of his own?

So it sounds like you have already considered this may end up in a court of law.............and that does not scare you? Maybe I am just getting wussier with age, but if I can avoid the court system, then I will.......excuse me earlier, no need to explain mavericks to you!

 

[attorneygeneral]

Going to court on this doesnt bother me at all, im right! But the courts will have to consider what will happen WHEN they lose,,,,, Its a golden ticket! I actually would love to go to court on this as long as I file an injunction that lets me operate till court takes place. Game on. Hey, when your right, what do you have to be afraid of?

 

[suzecat]

Going to court on this doesnt bother me at all, im right! But the courts will have to consider what will happen WHEN they lose,,,,, Its a golden ticket! I actually would love to go to court on this as long as I file an injunction that lets me operate till court takes place. Game on. Hey, when your right, what do you have to be afraid of?

Hummmmm, I guess you'd have to ask all those folks in prison........our judiciary has managed to imprison people for long periods of time with no seeming justification other than "national security."

 

[lots0]

I PM'ed my questions to AG.

I'll let you guys know what I think about this after I get his answers.

 

[lots0]

Hmmm,
What I think is someone had an interesting idea, that was not thought through before the person got excited about it.

 

[maxd]

Please do not cross post (see here).

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