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Are these the real deal ? i know of 3 cryptos that have novomatics , maybe their license has changed or another provider has some sort of permission to use them.
A previously unlicensed casino (now under the 365/JAZ license) has, in the last couple of weeks, started to offer Novomatic games; unsure about legitimacy, am trying to look into it now. What's odds is that even when they didn't hold a license (admitted to me from the VIP team), they were still able to offer Relax Gaming/Quickspin/NetEnt etc - I believe through SoftSwiss/BetConstruct.If the casino is a customer of the pirated games provider it's possible for it to be one that pays up AND uses pirated software. Most users of the pirate games aggregator however are indeed rogue unlicensed or 1668/JAZ sites.
I am not aware of Novomatic allowing unlicensed or grey casinos to use their software. Unless anyone knows better?
I've always wondered with this - where providers aren't available in the UK because they don't want to do our certification, but they appear on unlicensed crypto sites despite being a regulated provider elsewhere. If the games are legit (and that's obviously a big if) then there's clearly something going wrong in the pipeline - whether that is corrupt providers, negligent aggregators, dodgy casinos that manage to cheat their way through onboarding and/or regulators pretending the crypto problem doesn't exist (like the UKGC).A previously unlicensed casino (now under the 365/JAZ license) has, in the last couple of weeks, started to offer Novomatic games; unsure about legitimacy, am trying to look into it now. What's odds is that even when they didn't hold a license (admitted to me from the VIP team), they were still able to offer Relax Gaming/Quickspin/NetEnt etc - I believe through SoftSwiss/BetConstruct.
yep only scam casino you find novo slotsGreentube (Novomatic's online game provider) and Betconstruct are partners, but i still don't believe that original Greentube slots are served on Curacao or unlicensed casino sites. I haven't seen one popular Curacao-licensed online casino offering them.
Unless I misunderstood your main point, I think a couple of things apply here. Firstly, r.e. certification; I believe the UK has stricter game requirements (for example, games not being allowed to show near-misses, when they weren't actually ((don't quote me on that, but things along those lines))) so some of the smaller/less reputable developers just don't see it as worth their time/money to go through the UK approval process as it may mean having to develop a second version of their game, essentially.I've always wondered with this - where providers aren't available in the UK because they don't want to do our certification, but they appear on unlicensed crypto sites despite being a regulated provider elsewhere. If the games are legit (and that's obviously a big if) then there's clearly something going wrong in the pipeline - whether that is corrupt providers, negligent aggregators, dodgy casinos that manage to cheat their way through onboarding and/or regulators pretending the crypto problem doesn't exist (like the UKGC).
With the curacao gold rush of recent years, it does feel like some providers are happy to turn a blind eye because it's making them money (particularly those following the monopoly money road) and they're betting - and frustrating that they'll probably be proven right - that regulation won't catch up with them.
Indeed, and those goalposts continue to move (spin speed, reel behaviour, micro-win behaviour etc). A lot of providers seem to have cottoned on to designing or retrofitting their engines to make this more of a configuration going forward to avoid further headaches - but naturally that increases development and test effort and smaller providers may not see the point. It's a shame because there are both older games and newer providers I'd love to see in the UK that are no longer available - but continue to be elsewhere.Unless I misunderstood your main point, I think a couple of things apply here. Firstly, r.e. certification; I believe the UK has stricter game requirements (for example, games not being allowed to show near-misses, when they weren't actually ((don't quote me on that, but things along those lines))) so some of the smaller/less reputable developers just don't see it as worth their time/money to go through the UK approval process as it may mean having to develop a second version of their game, essentially.
I think that's what surprised me - and I was similarly under that impression too. I'm waiting for the inevitable scandal where a poorly regulated jurisdiction has the "same" games as a highly regulated jurisdiction, but the provider is the one providing "fakes" (horrendous RTP etc) of their own games.Regarding your (I think) main point, though, about games appearing on unlicensed crypto sites - this is what has also interested me. For some reason, I was under the impression that game providers were bound by treaties not to offer their games to unlicensed operations if they wanted to hold a license, say, in the UK. (The UK has a treaty with Curacao, for example, which is why the UK is one of the few "Blocked" countries Curacao sites aren't - on paper - allowed to take bets from.) I was sure I'd read something similar applying to game developers, too - but as @maxd told me earlier, that may well not be the case.
AFAIK, in theory, there's nothing preventing a game provider offering their games to an unlicensed casino provided there is no law or regulation preventing it either in the country the game developer is based out of, or in the country the casino operates from.
And that's the stark reality - I think we're already seeing lines being crossed in terms of misrepresentation of the monopoly money streamers (e.g. game providers willing to vouch for the validity of a "win", when what they really mean is the game round happened and they have no control over the other variables), and clearly they're happy to take the bag today and worry about any potential PR issues later on.Ultimately, I think it all comes down to your last paragraph - "turning a blind eye because it's making them money." - "business is business" we were told after asking one major provider about it a while back.
The more I've been thinking about this, the more I fail to believe there aren't some kind of rules in place, given the huge reach the UKGC has - and so with a bit of digging I turned up this:I think that's what surprised me - and I was similarly under that impression too. I'm waiting for the inevitable scandal where a poorly regulated jurisdiction has the "same" games as a highly regulated jurisdiction, but the provider is the one providing "fakes" (horrendous RTP etc) of their own games.
And that's the stark reality - I think we're already seeing lines being crossed in terms of misrepresentation of the monopoly money streamers (e.g. game providers willing to vouch for the validity of a "win", when what they really mean is the game round happened and they have no control over the other variables), and clearly they're happy to take the bag today and worry about any potential PR issues later on.
I perhaps wouldn't go that far - more "feeling the heat" rather than "cleaned up their act". The monopoly money streamers are still in full flow - now on their own streaming platform rather than dealing with the headaches of YouTube and Twitch.Then, Stake exploded ($2.2 billion in revenue last year) and seem to have cleaned up their act; requiring KYC docs upon sign-up was certainly the first crypto Curacao site I'd seen implementing such a policy. I would guess they were worried about the UK/US coming after them, especially as they're sponsoring major football teams!
I suspect that'll be where we end up, as all parts of the pipeline shun their responsibility and point to someone else... the provider blames the casino, the casino claims it's legal where they operate and so on.So, I suppose the game developers would simply say that it's not their responsibility if casinos are accepting UK players and offering their games to them, especially if the UK player is using a VPN.
I just spoke to another veteran in the industry and the novo's that are appearing on curacao licensed casinos are indeed the real novo games. It's not a direct integration, it all goes through one aggregator that has been setup for this.