How Many Online Casinos Cheat?

[happygobrokey]

i meant the power loss was because you post under it with "small talk". but obviously i'm equally guilty now. it just got my goat because in hobo's thread i made a good post, and then someone chimed in with "well i think 32red is great yada yada (nothing of substance)", and their reply started a new page, so my post might get overlooked by someone clicking straight to the last page. no hard feelings

 

[dazlazz]

Something you might not know if you are a player!

Hi folks, just so you know chartwell, crypto and MG have a 98% RNG - the other 2% is made up of varibales as they say - this could be anything i.e. time of day, most wins etc - however the varibale is supposed only to be used to increase the randomness of the play and not to in anyway influence results in a casino / software provider's benefit!.

If you are not happy with your results, i suggest going to the local bar and getting plastered, maybe gaming is not for you!! Either that or get on a flight to Amsterdam....

Best regards,

Dazzla

 

[steinhaug]

Hi folks, just so you know chartwell, crypto and MG have a 98% RNG - the other 2% is made up of varibales as they say - this could be anything i.e. time of day, most wins etc - however the varibale is supposed only to be used to increase the randomness of the play and not to in anyway influence results in a casino / software provider's benefit!.

98%??? Where did you get that info from, and those variables? What do time of day have to do with anything. I get your point however, but it just sounded wrong.

 

[happygobrokey]

not directed at you daz, as our pal theodore also mentioned he can prove rng's aren't fully random.

you cannot create random. and you cannot create perfection.

every matrix has its neo, if you will. the irrational remainder of an unbalanced equation.

especially when trying to create randomness. if it is somehow formulated, it cannot be random.

the only certainties in life are death and taxes.

forty-two.

 

[dazlazz]

kimss

Hi kimss, ive worked for all 3 the last 10 years, so know the ins and outs, however the 2% variable is down to the software designer / manager's point of view! The chartwell guy is a sap - only play at the BIG chartwell casinos for main games ie. BJ, roulette etc, the smaller ones they treat like rubbish and these are the ones you hit for slots and VP!!!

Best regards,

Dazzla

 

[spearmaster]

Hi folks, just so you know chartwell, crypto and MG have a 98% RNG - the other 2% is made up of varibales as they say - this could be anything i.e. time of day, most wins etc - however the varibale is supposed only to be used to increase the randomness of the play and not to in anyway influence results in a casino / software provider's benefit!.

WTF??

Exactly what was your job description at all three of these software providers?

 

[happygobrokey]

spear you blew a perfect chance to shill playtech, you playtech shill! your post should have been "well i know playtech does not have such a thing, play there for the closest to 100% random."

 

[dazlazz]

Spearmaster

Hi Spearmaster - not with the software providers, but high up in companies that used those softwares...without going into too much detail. I'm sure you forum guys should have known this....especially about chartwell!! Won't be back online till tomorrow now....have a hot date with a Brasilian chick, hope you guys have a good night too!!

Best regards,

Dazzla

 

[spearmaster]

spear you blew a perfect chance to shill playtech, you playtech shill! your post should have been "well i know playtech does not have such a thing, play there for the closest to 100% random."

As I have said elsewhere my participation here is personal, I do not represent my company here and in this particular case the claim that was made is not possible since anything less than 100% cannot be a Random Number Generator.

 

[ThodorisK]

My mistake of not clarifying this: The taking advantage of the bias (non-randomness) of a RNG, that I was talking about, was regarding the bias (non-randomness) of a FAIR RNG, supposing there is no cheating. Cheating cannot be beaten as then the dealer is given better cards no matter what you do.

 

[happygobrokey]

As I have said elsewhere my participation here is personal, I do not represent my company here and in this particular case the claim that was made is not possible since anything less than 100% cannot be a Random Number Generator.

oh spear! i thought the two laughy-faces would be enough to let you know i was kidding. plus, i was on your side when there was heat over this.

if what you say is true, then there are no rng's because it's just impossible to algorithmically create a random value/figure. and even if the thing does seem to create random numbers, you simply can't affirm that every number it ever generates is completely random. it would only take a single counterinstance at any time past or future to refute it.

who was it that posted the challenge of two blocks of seemingly random characters (caps and small letters), one of which was mathematically patterned using some complex algorithm and the other with no reason to the ordering? i should think this would make a good exercise for our pal theodore, and certainly a better way to pass the time than playing a "rigged" casino. and since he studies physics he should know a lot about equations and variables and so forth.

theodore, if you make decisions because you can "read" the way the rng works, then it certainly is not a fair rng. please elaborate on this, and don't worry about our inferior minds, even if it's "greek" to us, we'd at least like to see you using technical words so you sound credible. where were you educated, and what degrees do you hold again? thanks,

 

[GrandMaster]

who was it that posted the challenge of two blocks of seemingly random characters (caps and small letters), one of which was mathematically patterned using some complex algorithm and the other with no reason to the ordering?

It was I. I still have not received a solution from any of those people who claim to know instinctively when a casino is dealing rigged cards.

 

[happygobrokey]

post it here, please. our boy theo can crack it. he claims to be smarter than the wiz.

 

[spearmaster]

if what you say is true, then there are no rng's because it's just impossible to algorithmically create a random value/figure. and even if the thing does seem to create random numbers, you simply can't affirm that every number it ever generates is completely random. it would only take a single counterinstance at any time past or future to refute it.

In computer situations, where no physical element is introduced, these are usually called pseudo-RNGs. And even then these are good enough for non-critical situations because they probably deliver random numbers 99.99999% of the time, so effectively they are RNGs.

However, in at least one instance (Boss Media) they actually use a Geiger-Muller Tube (ie. Geiger counter) to measure radioactivity in the air at any given moment - and that would be truly random unless some other device nearby was blowing radioactive particles into the measurement area at a constant rate

In any case, 98% sure as heck is not random.

 

[aka23]

I've also heard about additional measurements of external events, used to make the P-RNG unpredictable to persons that know the formula used. A Playtech rep on this forum described it as, "additional daily/hourly weather forecast values or values from the stock market (exchange rates etc.) to generate their random numbers this to add additional non CPU related varience to further increase the randomness." However, the ratio of 98% to 2% is new.

 

[happygobrokey]

the 98-2 might just be a strange way of saying they take some data from an external source like those described, and then transform it, in a ratio of 49 times as much transformation as the original data gathered? but even the revelation of this could be sensitive information?

 

[spearmaster]

the external data is used as a seed for the RNG - the process you described has nothing to do with an RNG at all. Any calculation of any sort comes *after* the RNG spits out a number, it cannot happen before.

The use of "external events", again, is merely to provide a seed. Anything which has a discernable pattern is not useful for creating this seed - when Paradise Poker was beaten it was because the seed was discovered to be tied directly to server time. This is essentially what was referred to as "CPU-related".

Daily/hourly weather forecasts are unlikely to play any role because there are only so many degrees that are likely to occur... even values from the stock market have limited value in use as a seed.

In order to achieve any reasonable degree of randomness the seed would have to fall in a range of millions, if not billions, of possible results.

 

[pokeraddict]

Reputation Points: -113

Is this a record for a non spammer?

 

[GrandMaster]

Yes. He must be going for the most annoying poster of 2007 prize.

 

[ThodorisK]

I will not say anything more in this thread about the randomness of RNGs. If someone starts a new thread with the title "Do RNGs produce random outcomes?" or something like that, perhaps I will reveal my discovery there, and discuss all this matter. Anyway, whatever method they use, the results cannot be random because ...
Let me know when you start the new thread, by posting its link here.

I will only discuss cheating in this thread.

 

[GaryWatson]

I play a lot of BJ online and most seems fair.

The one that really sticks out to me as being well dodgy is paddypower flash BJ (not sure what software as its not a downloaded casino).

I have played loads of sessions (over 50) and I can honestly say I have not had one decent session where I have done well. Yes a couple of small wins here and there, but not 1 really good, dealer busting, hitting 10s on double down, sort of win. (And I have had loads and loads of very bad, even HIDEOUS sessions out of those 50 sessions believe me).


Even when I get to normal land casinos every few trips will net me one or two good wins on BJ, and the same goes for most online places, but I can honestly say at Paddys something just isnt right.

(I am quite loyal to Paddys because its my local bookie and I have been betting there for 15 years) ... stupid me hey

Yeah paddy's flash software sucks. A bit unreliable. Im like you, I am fairly loyal to paddys because of their sportsbook section. On the games site I prefer gin rummy. The rake is a bit heavy. Sometimes the traffic is poor so I end up playing their bots. If I skin them a few times, they tend to play like grand masters. I dropped about 50 over the weekend at paddys, was even playing the deal or no deal game. Yeah I suspect the software is a little rigged but i enjoy playing rummy, expect to lose my deposit & just take it as a bit of fun. Rigged or not rigged I consider them like fruit machines

I play blackjack regularly live. Im not keen on playing online, not because I think it is rigged but because it is against a computerized dealer. TH.... if in doubt, dont play the game. No one is forcing us to play. Im not even going to suggest poker to you where the dealer doesnt have an interest on who wins the hand

 

[steinhaug]

Let me know when you start the new thread, by posting its link here.

Here is the link,
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/do-rngs-produce-random-outcomes.19514/

 

[steinhaug]

I play blackjack regularly live.

Just a question, not to start any fires, only since you mentioned it. Do you feel that the cards delivered online matches what you get in a landbased casino? Do you have the same experience? I just wonder, not often you catch people accually gambling in real life in here.

 

[pokeraddict]

Yes. He must be going for the most annoying poster of 2007 prize.

He has my vote.

 

[GaryWatson]

Just a question, not to start any fires, only since you mentioned it. Do you feel that the cards delivered online matches what you get in a landbased casino? Do you have the same experience? I just wonder, not often you catch people accually gambling in real life in here.

Well as each hand is presumably randomly shuffled I feel it takes away any possible advantage other than players trying to stay ahead of a bonus. I have not really played too many blackjack games online to give a real opinion of value. Any bonus I get is usually tied to my poker games so I dont really get the benefit of collecting through my blackjack.

Could online blackjack be rigged? Yes, as it is against the house.

Is it? I couldnt say either way.

Playing live, I have hit some ridiculous runs of bad luck where the dealer seems to land 5 card 21's continuously against my 2 face cards, it works the other way as well. people seem to forget the winning hands because they chase their previous losses & increase their bets until they lose the lot.

My strategy is that i rarely bust my hand
I use splits & double downs only when they are advantagous
When a lot of high cards have come out, I lower my bet a little
when the low cards are out, i raise the stakes a little.

I would say I win more than i lose at blackjack, sometimes I double up, sometimes I bust the bankroll. I go into a casino with a gambling budget. As soon as i walk in the doors I consider it lost. If I win great, if I lose, no big deal, I just head for the bar