New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[irish-ranger]

I'm struggling to understand why somebody, who rarely if ever plays said game, is prepared to defend it to the hilt against people that have played it much more and noticed a big drop off the last year or so?

I'd go as far to say if BTG/evo haven't pruned the maths to increase profitability for themselves and the casino, I'm pele!

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Because he sucked the life outta brexit and 3 dice it's now bonanzas turn ffs..

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Because he sucked the life outta brexit and 3 dice it's now bonanzas turn ffs..

I'm working through a list.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm not sure how strawmanning about a separate issue, in regards to RTP-reductions affecting playtime, has any bearing about how Bonanza has noticeably changed its gameplay post-Evo takeover. I'm also certain the reduction in playtime this caused was not dismissed by many, and widely acknowledged as being hugely detrimental.

The RTP Calculator was introduced, and the crowds gasped, and that was that

And yet, when it comes to Bonanza, what 'facts' are there to speak of, other than the number advertized by BTG themselves?

How can someone criticized for calling out Bonanza's not making its stated RTP, if it's actually.....not making its stated RTP? BTG and companies of their 'repute' can't continue to hide behind fantastical imaginings that no consumer ever witnesses, without any form of accountability. That's false advertizing, never mind outright fraudulent.

All the while, they continue to butcher the original game, and it seemingly shows. Having the safety of hiding behind 'millions of spins' and 'stated RTP' is all the excuse Evo needed to make amendments, because after all, punters will play it regardless

The point of me raising the VS issue, and indeed a load of other stuff I covered on my old YT channel, and have done here at CM over the years, is to counter the suggestion I'm 'going out to bat' for BTG, or Bonanza, or the wider online casino industry. (I once got myself banned here at CM for a period of time over an online casino controversy and a certain casino making itself back onto the accredited list when I felt the issue hadn't been properly explained or addressed.)

What I'm 'going out to bat for' is the requirement for claims to be backed by evidence, and we're back to this - Bonanza by Big Time Gaming - Page 810 - Casinomeister Forum

i.e. If they've changed it, then what have they actually changed? Because based on the numbers and evidence we can (and have) gathered ourselves, outside of feature volatility, everything else is a known quantity, and hasn't changed. I readily concede that they might have changed feature volatility (they absolutely haven't, for example, changed the basegame hit rate as snorky claims above, I've got enough data to prove that myself), and as I've also said before, if they have messed with the game's volatility and not told players about it, then it's a dick move that I won't remotely try to defend on a moral level, but from a legal and regulatory perspective, as long as it still makes RTP overall then it's no foul.

Anyway to show there are no hard feelings I see there are goatwack inspired shower gels on sale so I've just availed myself of a bottle.

 

[snorky510238]

There are also other things that used to happen that don’t ever happen now.

In the early days of playing Bonanza. I hit GOLD first spin probably 10 times. Never happens now.

Back to back bonuses were obviously rare but common enough that it happened 5 or 6 times. Never happens now.

The multiple big hits in the max ways. I remember having several cascades that paid big win followed big win. Never happens now.

To be honest the big base hits are rarer than ever.

If nothing has ever changed. Tell me why there are so many different versions and platforms.

 

[Kroffe]

I mean it has been confirmed that they have different versions, as with that site (or was it sites?) where scatters were never present in Max megaways spins.
Unless i remember wrong that is something everyone experienced, and like with many other things it was something that BTG lied about.

So it wouldnt exactly be surprising if it turned out they were lying about other things.

As we all know and have seen, the punishment for getting caught is if anything a slap on the wrist.
What happened to GALA when they advertised 96% rtp but served up 94% to their customers?

A: They had to reimburse all players that had played the slots in question and also pay a huge fine.

B: All of the above but they also lost their license.

C: They said 'woops' and that was it.


We all know that the answer is B, right...right?
Because if the answer was C it would almost be an incentive to cheat the players.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Back to back bonuses were obviously rare but common enough that it happened 5 or 6 times. Never happens now.

The chances of a 1/460 event happening twice on the trot is 1/211,600

Are we really using something like that as a benchmark for evidence that the game has changed?

You could easily go a million spins without it happening and be well within the realms of expected results.

 

[goatwack]

It's just the notion that modern slot companies are divine and beholden to the letter of the law which bemuses me, especially in something as amorphous as infinite, ongoing slot play, regulated by programmed random generators....

.....from a company known for its deceitfulness, subsequently taken over by a company known for its 'magnetic' duplicity

It's enough to make me want to burn my t-shirts, never mind the missus' bras

Arson aside, I wouldn't touch Bonanza in its current diseased state, as I think we're seeing the fruits of corruption play out before us, the likes of which we'll see on Panorama in a few years when all comes to light. Yet if I were to play any of the 50 versions of Bonanza presently with real money, I can guarantee I'd be able to say whether the game's been fiddled within five minutes.

Just as well I'd rather give (and do) the money to charidee than conmen grifters like BTG

 

[ChopleyIOM]

All this Bonanza chat has got my BTG juices flowing and Megaways dander up, so let's kick off a Saturday Bonanza Session and see what happens.

I've lost track of which versions are the most cheaty and thieving, so I'll just go with VS, not least because they have the useful MyRTP feature.

G-O-L-D ahoy!



Hopefully goaty's Smashy and Nicey will approve.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Crikey it's running like a bag of spanners today, like, 10-20 seconds for some spins and tumbles to complete bag of spanners.

Oh well, means the deposit will last longer I suppose

It's getting stuck like this every few spins, or just spinning the reels for ages on the initial spin before landing.

 

[snorky510238]

The chances of a 1/460 event happening twice on the trot is 1/211,600

And that’s exactly my point. The fact it happened to me on 6 or 7 occasions, tells you that the game is programmed, not random. There was even someone who hit 3 in a row, way back in the thread.

The 117 (max ways), also comes up (admittedly without a winning combo), way more often than chance suggests so yes of course it’s bleeding rigged.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The secret is to use dunover's special affiliate links to access the games.

65 spins for a GOLD to drop straight in.



284x pay

 

[ChopleyIOM]

At the current rate of knots (I have never seen Bonanza, or a game at VS, running this badly before), it'll take about a century to get through this deposit, but I shall persevere, mostly because I can do other things whilst Bonanza cranks out one spin every 15-20 seconds. (Warcraft Rumble is fun, or there's Lego 2K Racing available via PS Plus at the moment.)

Anyway, here's the second feature, a five scatters trigger that didn't pay too badly but somehow still felt like it was trolling me the whole way. (This dropped the L, D and the +5 down across two tumbles.)



That said I was slightly surprised to see the diamond drop down here.




Round finished here at 125x, so not bad a feature, but there were quite a few pisstake spins in there, including triple wilds along the top that still missed somehow.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I give up, it's actually running worse now than it has been so far, maybe the Saturday evening crowds are flocking to the game and BTG have run out of hamsters to put on the wheel to power their quantum super-computers that are required to work out all those Megaways combinations.

As such I'm afraid this is the best I can do for stats today. I'm going to play Blueprint's Jackpot King games instead.

Three features in 681 spins is, of course, way ahead of the curve, and the stats reflect that.

65 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 284x pay, £156.66p left
165 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £148.93p left
265 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £138.05p left
365 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £127.69p left
461 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - Five scatters, 125x pay, £147.63p left
516 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 20x pay, £153.98p left
616 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £142.22p left
681 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £142.03p left

 

[mack341]

@ChopleyIOM a new thought has just occurred to me, slightly off topic, but are there still some remaining slot machines with programmed exploits [that have been written about on forums and feature in videos like the ones you make] in UK pubs and leisure locations. Or have ukgc stamped down on it fully to protect the unknowing public who frequent such places?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

They can’t stamp down on people who are smarter than those that make said games.

And yes there are such things still present.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

@ChopleyIOM a new thought has just occurred to me, slightly off topic, but are there still some remaining slot machines with programmed exploits [that have been written about on forums and feature in videos like the ones you make] in UK pubs and leisure locations. Or have ukgc stamped down on it fully to protect the unknowing public who frequent such places?

I've had a few rants about the total failure to regulate compensated machines going back decades, most of which can be laid at BACTA's door and successive governments who had precious little idea what they were doing, direct timestamped link to one of them below.

The fact that they were so poorly controlled, for so long, is truly shameful. The death of the compensated AWP, to be replaced by random games in pubs, means everyone can at least have a fair crack of the whip. (Although apparently even some of the random games have exploits on them, quite remarkably.)

 

[johnnymcc1966]

My first Bonanza bonus in about a month,yes really. Wait for it...

 

[The Viking]

insane multiplier in 17 spins
never hit more then 3 OAK once it passed 20x
did record it but dunno if i upload it.

 

[snorky510238]

And that’s the noticeable thing. Once the multiplier gets exciting, you never see the mass ways of 6oak hits. No, it’s like they all mysteriously disappear.

 

[dunover]

And that’s the noticeable thing. Once the multiplier gets exciting, you never see the mass ways of 6oak hits. No, it’s like they all mysteriously disappear.

Unless you're @ChopleyIOM and you get 800-odd x for a load of aces. First time out.
Although I did once get 256-ways of 5OAK queens in a round that ended up over 1000x.

 

[snorky510238]

Unless you're @ChopleyIOM and you get 800-odd x for a load of aces. First time out.
Although I did once get 256-ways of 5OAK queens in a round that ended up over 1000x.

Yes, those hits stand out quite easily because they are once or twice in a lifetime hits. Not like we’ve got a load of them to remember. BTG would wear our knackers around their necks as trophies, given half a chance.

 

[The Viking]

Still loving it

 

[The Viking]

not a clue what i won vent for coffee

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

That’s a life changing win by bonanza standards.

 

[The Viking]

another good base game hit 450x worth of red gems