UltimateBet - Absolute Poker Scam

Interesting timing too as today the two sites finally merged to create Cereus. UB's popular software was basically abandoned for AP's although UB still has a skin that at least looks like the old software.
 
BATTENING DOWN THE HATCHES (Update)

Tokwiro briefs employees on Sixty Minutes program

Paul Leggett, the COO of Tokwiro Enterprises, was busy midweek briefing employees on the upcoming Sixty Minutes television expose of the Absolute Poker and UltimateBet scandals and the online poker industry in general (see previous InfoPowa report)

In a memo to employees, Leggett did not sound optimistic, writing that he had "every reason to believe that the 60 Minutes producers are intent on portraying the online poker industry and our companies in a negative light, and we do not expect that the program will be either fair or balanced."

Leggett is referring to the upcoming screening Sunday (November 30th) edition of the Sixty Minutes program, the result of a four month collaborative investigation by top producers and investigative reporters at the Washington Post and CBS's Sixty Minutes team. The program is expected to examine the scandals and how players were treated in detail, and apparently interviews a number of poker personalities involved in the affair.

Tokwiro representatives will not be among those appearing on camera, however. Leggett's memo says that although the company cooperated in responding to requests for information, a high level decision had been made not to be interviewed.

"Because of 60 Minutes apparent bias against Tokwiro and online poker, we have decided not to appear on camera," Leggett advises in his memo. "We have, however, had many conversations with the programs producers. We provided them with extensive background materials and documents, and we answered questions on-the-record, but off-camera. Despite all this, it is not likely that our views will be properly represented.

"Therefore, it is important that all of our staff know the following facts about our company:

* Tokwiro Enterprises, ENRG, is the full and sole owner of both Absolute Poker and UltimateBet. Joseph Tokwiro Norton is the full and sole owner of Tokwiro Enterprises.

* Incidents of cheating at both Absolute Poker and UltimateBet were fully reported and investigated by Tokwiro, by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission, and by third parties engaged by Tokwiro and the KGC.

* As soon as Joe Norton realized that cheating had occurred, he took immediate and appropriate actions.

* The KGCs investigators have acknowledged that Tokwiro, as a corporate entity, was not involved in and did not benefit from the cheating.

* The date range, financial extent, and methods used in the cheating are now known and understood.

* Tokwiro agreed not to prosecute the perpetrator in the Absolute Poker cheating, and to protect that individuals identity, because this was the only way to ensure that the ability to cheat was fully discovered and disabled. Because of this decision, AP could continue operating and begin to reimburse affected players as quickly as possible.

* Tokwiro has no interest in protecting or shielding the cheater in the UltimateBet incident in any way. We vigorously pursued the Companys legal options in this case, and won a $15 million settlement from the previous owners. The alleged cheater, who was named in the September 2008 KGC statement, has never been an employee of Tokwiro; nor has he been an employee of AP or UB since our purchase of these companies.

* The perpetrators in the Absolute Poker and UltimateBet incidents were different individuals who were not working in concert, and who used completely different methods to cheat.

* We have now completed all reimbursements to affected players. Everyone, who was a victim of these schemes, has now been made whole. We have paid out millions of dollars to customers who were cheated.

* We should also be mindful of the fact that we have taken a series of actions that are designed to ensure that this kind of cheating can never again happen on our sites. You are well aware, I am sure, of many of these, but 60 Minutes may very well ignore them in its program."

Leggett goes on to itemize the Tokwiro initiatives that have flowed from the scandals, writing:

"Joe Norton completely restructured the management team as soon he became aware that cheating had occurred on the AP site. The new team brought in a Compliance Officer and two Security Managers, and it established risk assessment procedures and ongoing internal audits."

Other moves included the development of a new Security Centre that incorporates gaming statistics, new security software, and human analysis and oversight to catch and prevent potential cheating. UB and AP have been moved to a common software platform, Cereus, which Leggett claims will facilitate monitoring of the system and tracking of any suspicious activities.

"We have also established a new, specialized Poker Security Department, in addition to the existing general security department, and hired outside gaming industry analysts to do a full audit of all software code and internal practices, and to make recommendations about best practices," he continues. "We instituted a Whistleblower Policy to formally protect Tokwiro employees and contractors who report any suspicion of cheating. We developed a Code of Ethics that formally prohibits any employee or contractor for any Tokwiro business from playing for money on any Tokwiro site.

"We discontinued the policy of greenlighting VIP Pro players at cashout, and we have forbidden account name changes except under very specific circumstances (such as abuse in a chat room).

"Because of the actions we have taken, Absolute Poker and UltimateBet are now two of the safest places to play poker online, and we are committed to keeping them that way. We believe that our loyal customer base will understand this, even if 60 Minutes does not.

"Regardless of how the 60 Minutes producers may choose to slant their show, we at Tokwiro are confident that we have acted with diligence and transparency in addressing these crises, and we will continue to do so," Leggett claims, directing employees to a YouTube corporate interview produced by Tokwiro in which he answered questions about the company and its operations, and to his personal UltimateBet blog.

Leggett concludes by acknowledging the tough time the company has endured and thanks employees for their support.

"This last year has been a difficult one for our Company," he writes. "We both our customers and our employees have been the victims of not one, but two, sophisticated fraud schemes that have cost us millions of dollars and have tarnished the hard-earned reputations of our stellar brands. Joe and I want to thank each and every one of you, our valued employees, for your commitment, trust and confidence. Because of you, I firmly believe that we have emerged from these trials as a stronger, more focused and more secure company than ever, ready to provide an unequaled poker experience to our thousands of loyal customers."

News of the Leggett memo broke at around the same time as the mainstream Canadian newspaper the Toronto Sun published yet another summary of the UB and AP debacles in advance of the Sixty Minutes program at
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About time these criminals were exposed to the harsh light of the mass media. It will be fun to watch them scatter like cockroaches when the light comes on.

I thought this might be worth pointing out.
Tokwiro agreed not to prosecute the perpetrator in the Absolute Poker cheating, and to protect that individuals identity, because this was the only way to ensure that the ability to cheat was fully discovered and disabled.
A new and interesting piece of information...

Ahh... What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

The problem is good old Crooked Poker Joe, has given a really really bad name to the entire industry and 60 minutes is going to use that to try to put the lights out on the entire US online poker business.

After the poker playing public has been informed by 60 minutes of how bad they have been ripped off by these criminals, all we can hope is that the public outcry is for regulation instead of more the same stupid policies of Prohibition (Prohibition has never worked for anything... ever).

Suggestion for the Meister or his minions.... You might want to add UB/Absolutes "NEW" business name "Cereus" to this thread title.
 
I personally believe there are many non-disclosures and not a little deliberate misinformation going on at this group.

I have difficulty believing that Joe Tokwiro Norton, an ex Grand Chief of the Mohawks , is the only "owner" here and there are other suspicious happenings that have not been adequately explained.

Hopefully the Sixty Minutes program will expose some of these - Tokwiro's management certainly sounds nervous about what may be about to come out in the wash.
 
* We have now completed all reimbursements to affected players. Everyone, who was a victim of these schemes, has now been made whole. We have paid out millions of dollars to customers who were cheated.

:rolleyes:

They can't possibly have done both. Countless original props including myself have shady sessions with named players from years ago but AP has refused to even consider it went on years before this but w/e.

Although it looks like lots of props got screwed I know of people who got unexpected refunds or refunds that were bigger than expected. If they really are on the up and up, and I'm starting to believe they are trying, then I can't imagine how hard this was to figure out who was owed what.
 
Tokwiro agreed not to prosecute the perpetrator in the Absolute Poker cheating, and to protect that individuals identity, because this was the only way to ensure that the ability to cheat was fully discovered and disabled. Because of this decision, AP could continue operating and begin to reimburse affected players as quickly as possible.

I think they're blowing smoke... a lot of words that don't mean doodoo to me. Maybe the turkey and dressing has caused my brain cells to shut down. LOL

Why protect the 'individual' (I think there were more than one responsible)? I don't understand.

I also think that more than one 'individual' was responsible for the UB scam, too.

At any rate, I'm quite interested in seeing what 60 Minutes does with this.
 
It would be really great if one - or more - of our Casinomeister members in the United States could watch the Sixty Minutes program on Sunday and then as soon as possible thereafter post or start a discussion thread giving their opinion/s on it.

That would be a refreshing change from media coverage - a real player's perception of how well the program covered this dubious milestone in the industry's history and what came out in the wash.
 
It would be really great if one - or more - of our Casinomeister members in the United States could watch the Sixty Minutes program on Sunday and then as soon as possible thereafter post or start a discussion thread giving their opinion/s on it.

That would be a refreshing change from media coverage - a real player's perception of how well the program covered this dubious milestone in the industry's history and what came out in the wash.

I will do my best. For those wanting to watch this there is no way it will be on at 7pm ET though. Every market in the U.S. except for San Diego (and they don't get 60 Minutes after football anyway cause of their time zone) gets a late NFL game on CBS that starts at 4:15pm ET. That will make this more of a 7:30pm ET or so start for 60 Minutes as they will almost certainly not start it until all late games are finished.
 
Yeah - I bridled at that too. The preview publicity from Sixty Minutes makes the same sweeping and erroneous statement.

There's neen a lot of critical comment on the Sixty Minutes advance blurb already.

Shows you how well the enforcement agencies have misinformed the media...and probably the public at large, too.:eek2:
 
Well it's news to me - I was under the impression the software came from Excapsa when Jim Ryan was still running that company.

Certainly Excapsa has accepted responsibility for the flaws by coughing up $15 million last month.

So which Korean developer was it?
 
When I propped for them they bought their software company in Korea. It was probably 2003 or maybe early 2004. The joke was why would they want to buy a company that put out such a bad product because the original product was one of the worst things ever to hit online poker. I guess later we found out why.
 
It doesn't surprise me. Korean has a very good share of world virtual game market. There are a few world-class studios in South Korean. Compared to MMORPG virtual games, online poker development isn't difficult.
 
ANOTHER ULTIMATEBET INVESTIGATION

Poker ace had losing hand....but won!

Another controversy at online poker website UltimateBet.com surfaced over the weekend, resulting in Hand #1162170993 becoming a much discussed topic on the respected poker forum 2+2, where the details of the hand were posted. In essence, it appeared that although poker ace Phil Hellmuth mucked his hand, he was still awarded a $5 599 pot.

The trouble started early Saturday morning when international poker pro was engaged in a tense game with a player using the nick "Doubleballer." Despite having the weaker hand, Hellmuth was awarded the pot on completion of betting, triggering a complaint to management. UltimateBet officials, no doubt sensitised by the site's past cheating scandal, were quick to acknowledge that there was a problem, and promised an immediate and thorough investigation.

With no hard information yet available, the speculation is that the incorrect decision may have been the result of a technical glitch in the newly upgraded Cereus poker network software (see previous InfoPowa report) UltimateBet and its sister Absolute Poker are the main operational components of the newly launched network.

Paul Leggett, the COO of Absolute and UltimateBet owner Tokwiro Enterprises reacted quickly, too, writing on his blog: Earlier today we learned about a poker hand where our system paid out the losing player instead of the correct winning hand. We are investigating this software malfunction as our absolute top priority. This is the first incident of this kind we have encountered. He went on to advise that that the system and all relevant application logs were being examined in an attempt to track the fault down.

Exchanges between "Doubleballer" and Hellmuth, who promotes UltimateBet, later revealed that the site planned to credit the former with half the value of the pot - $2 300. There was no further information available when InfoPowa went to press this morning.
 
ANOTHER ULTIMATEBET INVESTIGATION

Poker ace had losing hand....but won!

Another controversy at online poker website UltimateBet.com surfaced over the weekend, resulting in Hand #1162170993 becoming a much discussed topic on the respected poker forum 2+2, where the details of the hand were posted. In essence, it appeared that although poker ace Phil Hellmuth mucked his hand, he was still awarded a $5 599 pot.

The trouble started early Saturday morning when international poker pro was engaged in a tense game with a player using the nick "Doubleballer." Despite having the weaker hand, Hellmuth was awarded the pot on completion of betting, triggering a complaint to management. UltimateBet officials, no doubt sensitised by the site's past cheating scandal, were quick to acknowledge that there was a problem, and promised an immediate and thorough investigation.

With no hard information yet available, the speculation is that the incorrect decision may have been the result of a technical glitch in the newly upgraded Cereus poker network software (see previous InfoPowa report) UltimateBet and its sister Absolute Poker are the main operational components of the newly launched network.

Paul Leggett, the COO of Absolute and UltimateBet owner Tokwiro Enterprises reacted quickly, too, writing on his blog: Earlier today we learned about a poker hand where our system paid out the losing player instead of the correct winning hand. We are investigating this software malfunction as our absolute top priority. This is the first incident of this kind we have encountered. He went on to advise that that the system and all relevant application logs were being examined in an attempt to track the fault down.

Exchanges between "Doubleballer" and Hellmuth, who promotes UltimateBet, later revealed that the site planned to credit the former with half the value of the pot - $2 300. There was no further information available when InfoPowa went to press this morning.

I'd like to know why they were only going to credit him with half when he clearly won it...this is the very reason that I quit playing online poker almost two years ago...hell you can't trust any of these online poker sites...:rolleyes:
 
And another from that thread. Player waiting for big blind is awarded part of the pot and it appears to be confirmed by a replayer at Tableratings.com.

***** Hand History for Game 1165551082 *****
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 22, 01:55:25 ET 2008
Table MANOR AVE (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 5: ZERO TO HERO ( $263.55 USD )
Seat 1: MIKEP03 ( $40.00 USD )
Seat 2: DIRKY83 ( $230.36 USD )
Seat 3: NOGR ( $30.70 USD )
Seat 4: SPLITYAWIG ( $351.20 USD )
DIRKY83 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
NOGR posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ZERO TO HERO [ 8d 8s ]
SPLITYAWIG folds
ZERO TO HERO raises [$3.50 USD]
DIRKY83 folds
NOGR folds
ZERO TO HERO wins $2.50 USD from main pot
MIKEP03 wins $1.25 USD from main pot
ZERO TO HERO wins $1.25 USD from main pot

(MIKEP03 just sat down and was waiting to post the BB in case that's not clear)
 
Call me a idiot but I still play the blackjack at AP and UB....I absolutely love it! :thumbsup: and have made withdraw's NUMEROUS times year after year with 0 problems. I will never touch the poker room however..:what: but I do see around 50k people on UB and 25k on AP so a lot of people still trust them..
 
I'd like to know why they were only going to credit him with half when he clearly won it...this is the very reason that I quit playing online poker almost two years ago...hell you can't trust any of these online poker sites...:rolleyes:

Ditto. Why only half?
 
Ditto. Why only half?

Perhaps it was simply a holding move - I believe he has now been paid the whole amount.

These further software glitches surfacing are obviously a hammer blow to Cereus as well as AB and UB, and the best you can say about the situation is that Tokwiro seems to have learned the hard way that a knee-jerk denial that anything is wrong is the worst way to go.

Hopefully we'll see something soon from COO Paul Leggett, who always has a lot to say when he's trying to limit damage to these apparently screwed up operations.
 
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Official interim statement from Paul Leggett, COO of Tokwiro, advises as follows:

QUOTE:

On Saturday, December 20, 2008, two players DOUBLEBALLER and PHILHELLMUTH were playing heads up at a 200/400 table on UltimateBet.com.

DOUBLEBALLER won hand #1162170993. The software malfunctioned and awarded the losing player PHILHELLMUTH the pot, instead of the actual winner DOUBLEBALLER.

After learning of the incident, we credited the player the correct prize to his account. We then began an investigation into the malfunction. We have now completed our preliminary investigation into the software malfunction regarding an incorrect payout in hand #1162170993 on the CEREUS Poker Network.

We have concluded that the malfunction occurred because the winning player disconnected from the table at the precise millisecond when the software was awarding the pot, in conjunction with the "player's state" data being cleared from the memory cache.

There is a prevention system in place designed to protect hand results against disconnections. However, after conducting an extensive source code analysis, we found logic in our code that we have enhanced to further ensure this malfunction cannot reoccur.

UNQUOTE

A KGC spokesman has confirmed that the Commission is also investigating, and yesterday took possession of all relevant game and player data, customer service logs, chat logs and all other associated data.

Phil Hellmuth has also made a statement reiterating his trust in UB, which he promotes and commenting that suggestions that he was part of an alleging cheating manouevre are malicious and unfounded.

No comment was made on the other reports of glitches which surfaced in the wake of the Hellmuth-Doubleballer incident.
 

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