Whine and Moan Tropica casino - 10 000% bonus?

[dizze]

That's a bit like pitying anyone who buys a lottery ticket due to the bad odds that represents too.
At the end of the day, the terms are there and they are clear. Take it or leave it.
Put it this way, we had a thread not too long ago where a Norwegian problem gambler spunked 21000 bucks in one weekend he'd borrowed for a house deposit or something, and was distraught and claiming the casino didn't apply the limits he had allegedly set. (it turned out latterly he had removed them.)
How better off he'd have been playing that whole weekend for a mere $25 on Tropica's 10,000% offer................

I agree wholeheartedly, aslong as a casinos t&c are clear, then its ok, afterall you cant con a honest man

He could have free played , then used 25 at the end of the month, with 20p bets

Its a good service in that it potentially limits people from massive losses, so i retract my previous statement, but i laugh at the people in this thread who would otherwise deposit similar amounts to the deposit offer and instead of taking no bonus, take this and see it as " entertainment value"

For example a senior member a few pages back thinks the cash out rate is somewhere aroumd 2-3%, which id be shocked if the poster thought what they were saying was true.Its more like 0.05-0.02% dude

Much the same as the people who use the lottery or play keno without the social element

 

[gagamel]

Done. Made the WR within a few days, now made my withdrawal.

Took the 5000% bonus and started with 2550. High was 22000 and at the end I was about 8000.

Thank you Casholot and Dieter. You have a loyal customer. And thank you for all the support :notworthy

 

[dizze]

Done. Made the WR within a few days, now made my withdrawal.

Took the 5000% bonus and started with 2550. High was 22000 and at the end I was about 8000.

Thank you Casholot and Dieter. You have a loyal customer. And thank you for all the support :notworthy

Waah, insane, guess my maths is wrong lol, did you have a stake limit?

CONGRATZ!

 

[Googobucs]

well, your chance to win with this offer is probably near 1 in 2000-5000, ie no where near 1 in 50

so its pretty much the same

with 180,000 wagering, you are giving the casino $9000 of your money, so 1 in 350 players will fully complete the wagering requirements

out of these 350 players, 1-20-30 will have 625, so your looking at around 1-3500 to 1-7000, but we can round it down to 1-2000 to 1-5000 incase ive made any errors, to favour the player



Its pretty pathetic that people in general dont understand the maths, your better of playing in free mode than doing this abysmal "offer"

I pity anyone who takes this offer, like seriously, how can a casino take a stance towards responsible gambling yet offer ridiculous offers like these

Blah Blah Blah....don't pity me or question my math skills. I know quite well what I am doing. If I'm fine with it, then it really should not be your concern.

 

[dunover]

I took this offer a few MONTHS ago - and I'm still playing it.
Deposited $50, so started with $5,050. Went up to over $8,000 at one point, then it all slipped away down to a little over $1,000. Then a few days ago I had an amazing run on their new Buffalo slot & went back up over $10,000 for a while, then it dipped to $8K but I got it back on Mystic Wolf.

Right now I still have $10K in my account. I have absolutely NO idea how much wagering I have done, but who knows - I might just make it & cash-out the maximum of $1,250.
Win or lose, I'm having a lot of high-rolling fun and don't regret taking the bonus one bit.
Each to their own...

KK

Have you checked the terms regarding the time limit for using the bonus funds by?? Hope there's nothing sh!tty in there somewhere which means you can't cash-out if you hit WR. Good luck anyway!

 

[gagamel]

Have you checked the terms regarding the time limit for using the bonus funds by?? Hope there's nothing sh!tty in there somewhere which means you can't cash-out if you hit WR. Good luck anyway!

The casino will give him a reminder 48 hours before the promo runs out.

 

[dunover]

Can you still get the 5000% one? Tempted to have a crack myself, just for the hell of it...

 

[gagamel]

Yes, I still have these promos. 5000% and 10000%.

 

[Blathaon]

Can you still get the 5000% one? Tempted to have a crack myself, just for the hell of it...

What both Gagamel and Kasinoking have failed to mention here is that they have been allowed to bet higher than the promo terms allows. The promo terms states that max bet is 10% of DEPOSIT. so if you take the 10000% bonus on a 25€ deposit then you are only allowed to bet 2.5€.

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with them being allowed to bet higher than the terms state, but it would be good of them to mention it when talking about how they have been doing on the promotion.

Both KK and Gagamel have been betting 20+ a spin, so of course if you are allowed to do that your odds of making the WR improves a lot.
Also Tropica have a silly term that i don't like,

When playing with a free chip or bonus, you are not permitted to wager more than 20% on 1 game, unless it is a game-specific chip.

So they have no wager tracking but they expect you to keep track of how much you have wagered on each game.

 

[Tirilej]

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with them being allowed to bet higher than the terms state, but it would be good of them to mention it when talking about how they have been doing on the promotion.

Agree totally! It's definately not fair to those that are not allowed to do that.
I wish you hadn't told us

 

[gagamel]

What both Gagamel and Kasinoking have failed to mention here is that they have been allowed to bet higher than the promo terms allows. The promo terms states that max bet is 10% of DEPOSIT. so if you take the 10000% bonus on a 25€ deposit then you are only allowed to bet 2.5€.

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with them being allowed to bet higher than the terms state, but it would be good of them to mention it when talking about how they have been doing on the promotion.

Both KK and Gagamel have been betting 20+ a spin, so of course if you are allowed to do that your odds of making the WR improves a lot.
Also Tropica have a silly term that i don't like,

So they have no wager tracking but they expect you to keep track of how much you have wagered on each game.

First thank you Casholot for paying within five hours

Because of my higher bets I have to state that I didn`t play with a deposit. I played with 50 Dollar free Dieter has given to me as a thank you for my deposits in the last weeks. He said that I didn`t have to abide by the 10% rule, so this was an exception just for me.
Thank you very much Dieter:notworthy.

The 20% game rule is not good but Dieter said more than once that the T&C will be changing in the near future. Maybe when the new casinos are on board.

 

[Tirilej]

Because of my higher bets I have to state that I didn`t play with a deposit. I played with 50 Dollar free Dieter has given to me as a thank you for my deposits in the last weeks. He said that I didn`t have to abide by the 10% rule, so this was an exception just for me.
Thank you very much Dieter:notworthy.

I agree that this was nice of him, but as you can read in the thread others have been tempted to try because they can see that the bonus is possible to beat.
If they don't have the same chance they need to know or it can be seen as a dirty way of advertising.
Next time then please tell the whole story from the beginning if exceptions are made.
Maybe you or Dieter already have and I've missed it and in that case I'm sorry.

 

[Googobucs]

I have been playing the 10,000 bonus with a $50 deposit since Friday. Starting balance of 5050 and the WR is 378, 750. I am playing $5 a spin. I have to admit it's going to take the whole month to complete this with no stop play at $5 a spin. I've only cleared about 50K wagering so far with a balance of 6K remaining.

I probably wont do this again unless they change the rules on the $5 bets.

 

[Tirilej]

What is wrong with this and why am I reacting? I had to think about that for a moment.
Then it hit me. This is 2 people talking about beating a bonus by making higher bets during the promotion than the rules allowed.
They don't say that in the posts.

This is in the same thread as another poster got his winnings void because of that specific rule!

 

[chuchu59]

Whoever takes this bonus and cashes out the max of $1250 is likely to have an overall RTP of 110% or more since the wagering is so steep and the bonus is uncashable. For every one player that cashes out the max there is likely to be 999 players that wont make it at all(ie final balance less than the bonus) due to an RTP that is less than 100%. In other words, this is a promo only for the thrills and definitely -EV.

 

[KasinoKing]

What both Gagamel and Kasinoking have failed to mention here is that they have been allowed to bet higher than the promo terms allows. The promo terms states that max bet is 10% of DEPOSIT. so if you take the 10000% bonus on a 25€ deposit then you are only allowed to bet 2.5€.

I have to hold my hands up and admit I didn't know about the 10% term when I took this bonus.
I have been unhappily betting at max bets of up to $25/spin since I started (unhappy because I think the max bet is too LOW on most slots).

So it looks like I have unknowingly broken the terms - I have contacted Tropica to see what will happen in this case.

KK

 

[Blathaon]

I have to hold my hands up and admit I didn't know about the 10% term when I took this bonus.
I have been unhappily betting at max bets of up to $25/spin since I started (unhappy because I think the max bet is too LOW on most slots).

So it looks like I have unknowingly broken the terms - I have contacted Tropica to see what will happen in this case.

KK

Actually you have already been allowed to bet whatever you like by Dieter https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/tropica-casino-bonus.62163/

Which is why i said you had been allowed to bet higher than the terms state.

It's just that the first post in this very thread is a player who got his winnings confiscated due to breaking the 10% bet rule, so that's why i wanted to point out to people that unless you have permission to bet higher don't do it or you will most likely end up like the guy in the first post.

So again there is nothing wrong with you and Gagamel having been allowed to play with different rules, it's just that when you talk about the promotion it might be good to point out that you have been allowed to bet max but if other's take it they can't expect to be allowed to do the same.

 

[Tirilej]

So again there is nothing wrong with you and Gagamel having been allowed to play with different rules, it's just that when you talk about the promotion it might be good to point out that you have been allowed to bet max but if other's take it they can't expect to be allowed to do the same.

Of course it's wrong or they should at least be told to not tell about it.
Only a few people had been denied their winnings because of that rule. Probably new players who saw a chance to win. I always say that the players should read the rules, but in this case not even KK had done that.
I don't know his history with playing there but I do know that it would be hard for the casino to void his winnings (no, he hasn't won yet).

Either you have rules to follow or you don't. If you have vip-players then fine with different perks, but otherwise it's not ok in my opinion.
It's not fair!

 

[KasinoKing]

Actually you have already been allowed to bet whatever you like by Dieter https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/tropica-casino-bonus.62163/

Which is why i said you had been allowed to bet higher than the terms state.

It's just that the first post in this very thread is a player who got his winnings confiscated due to breaking the 10% bet rule, so that's why i wanted to point out to people that unless you have permission to bet higher don't do it or you will most likely end up like the guy in the first post.

So again there is nothing wrong with you and Gagamel having been allowed to play with different rules, it's just that when you talk about the promotion it might be good to point out that you have been allowed to bet max but if other's take it they can't expect to be allowed to do the same.

I had genuinely forgotten about that post and so I apologise to anyone I have mislead with any of my posts since then.

I don't actually want any "special treatment", so if by some miracle I do make the WR I know that all I will be due is my deposit back. Totally my fault for making the No.1 error; don't assume anything - always read ALL the T&Cs!

BTW, so far I have only done $127,000 of the required $379,000 WR...

KK

 

[maphesto]

Either you have rules to follow or you don't. If you have vip-players then fine with different perks, but otherwise it's not ok in my opinion.
It's not fair!

This is exactly the same thing as when you were allowed bonuses at Tropica even though Sweden were on their bonus restricted country list.

As Blathaon said, it's nothing wrong with that. The casino didn't do anything wrong when they changed the promotion for some players, you nailed it here:

I agree that this was nice of him, but as you can read in the thread others have been tempted to try because they can see that the bonus is possible to beat.
If they don't have the same chance they need to know or it can be seen as a dirty way of advertising.
Next time then please tell the whole story from the beginning if exceptions are made.
Maybe you or Dieter already have and I've missed it and in that case I'm sorry.

I had genuinely forgotten about that post and so I apologise to anyone I have mislead with any of my posts since then.

I don't actually want any "special treatment", so if by some miracle I do make the WR I know that all I will be due is my deposit back.

As a loyal layer AND affiliate it's not wrong if you have better promotions.

Totally my fault for making the No.1 error; don't assume anything - always read ALL the T&Cs!

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

Hi guys,

Been following this all weekend and thought now is a good time to respond. Gagamel had a negative experience with one of our promotions expiring. I gave him 50€ and permission to play the 5000% with no restrictions. He met wagering and therefore was paid.

Kasino King is not only an affiliate; He has been very good in supporting us and helping us grow our business over the years. I therefore waived his terms also. He too, will be paid once wagering is met. We are not unreasonable in any way and if a customer deserves to be paid, we will pay.

I have a new set of terms and if there are any of you who wish to review them for us (with your "Operator" hat on), then please PM me and I will send you a "first pass" set of terms to look at and comment. Kindly note that at the end of the day, the final decision rests with the legal professionals and sign-off from all parties involved.

Hopefully this alleviates any concerns or questions you may have?

Regards,
Dieter

 

[chuchu59]

Hi guys,

Been following this all weekend and thought now is a good time to respond. Gagamel had a negative experience with one of our promotions expiring. I gave him 50€ and permission to play the 5000% with no restrictions. He met wagering and therefore was paid.

Kasino King is not only an affiliate; He has been very good in supporting us and helping us grow our business over the years. I therefore waived his terms also. He too, will be paid once wagering is met. We are not unreasonable in any way and if a customer deserves to be paid, we will pay.

I have a new set of terms and if there are any of you who wish to review them for us (with your "Operator" hat on), then please PM me and I will send you a "first pass" set of terms to look at and comment. Kindly note that at the end of the day, the final decision rests with the legal professionals and sign-off from all parties involved.

Hopefully this alleviates any concerns or questions you may have?

Regards,
Dieter

I am sure you have your own reasons for waiving terms for different personalities. What people may not wish to see is having the terms waived for a special set of people eg casinomeister members. KK has been graceful in stating that if he had broken the terms of use he will be content with only his deposit back even if he made a profit. Actually, I detest people who try to coerce casinos into submission by stating they will post in this forum if their demands are not met and I have seen many examples over the years.

 

[Blathaon]

Hi guys,

Been following this all weekend and thought now is a good time to respond. Gagamel had a negative experience with one of our promotions expiring. I gave him 50€ and permission to play the 5000% with no restrictions. He met wagering and therefore was paid.

Kasino King is not only an affiliate; He has been very good in supporting us and helping us grow our business over the years. I therefore waived his terms also. He too, will be paid once wagering is met. We are not unreasonable in any way and if a customer deserves to be paid, we will pay.

I have a new set of terms and if there are any of you who wish to review them for us (with your "Operator" hat on), then please PM me and I will send you a "first pass" set of terms to look at and comment. Kindly note that at the end of the day, the final decision rests with the legal professionals and sign-off from all parties involved.

Hopefully this alleviates any concerns or questions you may have?

Regards,
Dieter

I never had any problem with some players being given a different set of rules, my problem with this thread was that readers and potential players might easily get the wrong impressions and think that it's a better offer than it is. Even Dunover was thinking about giving it a shot after Gagamel said he met the WR.

I just have one additional question, earlier in the thread you said that you average 70 cashouts a month from this promotion, are these 70 cashouts all players who have been allowed to bet whatever they like or are these from people playing under the standard rules of the promotion?

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

Yes, there are cashouts from players who are restricted to 10% bet limits. I can't give exact numbers, but the offer is definitely beatable.

Regards,
Dieter

 

[aceking123]

i still would like to know why you do not get points on 100% & 200% no maxout chips & how on earth can a vip100% bonus override in terms of play 30X play through to where the normal promo is at 100% 25X , also you can take a 300% match yet claim points . makes little sense to me ? something you guys need to take a look at imo