Prime Slots Misleading Bonus Terms

Thanks for the input. We thought we published the T&Cs totally transparent. Based on your feedback we want to improve it and the underline to the according section will be done within the next days. Ill keep you updated.

Regards,
Benji

Why hide behind a link in the first place? These are key bonus terms, why not have them on the same page as the rest? Clearly, as in this case, they are no less important than the rest.

Whether by accident or design, these extra terms were unreachable. For a start, one would have to expect there to be a hidden link in order to go looking for it. Even then, how would one find a link like this on an entire page of text given that it is neither highlighted nor underlined.
 
This isn't a loaded or deliberately incendiary question - but it's something I wonder about a lot on here.
Why do people, who are familiar and regulars at this site, sign up with non-accredited casino's; in fact worst still - 'not recommended' or rogue.
I don't get it.
There's pretty much any imaginable software provider (with the odd notable exception) on the Accredited list - so why would you?!
Genuine question.
It's like an additional gamble on top of the games. "Oooooh - will I get paid or not!??! Exciting!"
Any ideas?
Probably the "carrot" of the sign-up bonuses, which generally, are better than the follow-on bonuses most casinos offer.
I mean - if I got a 100% bonus every time I deposited at 32Red, I would never play at any other MG casinos. But I don't, so I do!

KK
 
Thanks for the input. We thought we published the T&Cs totally transparent. Based on your feedback we want to improve it and the underline to the according section will be done within the next days. Ill keep you updated.

Regards,
Benji

Hi Benji I was wondering why would your casino even put Netent slots as 50% towards wagering at all? That makes no sense to me as it's pretty damn hard to get enough decent wins on that platform to cashout unless you hit a monster DOA or Reel Steel which are rare enough occurrences.
 
Probably the "carrot" of the sign-up bonuses, which generally, are better than the follow-on bonuses most casinos

KK

I did think about that - but then the carrot is nothing compared to the massive f*****g stick that inevitably follows to knock you off balance and smash you in the goolies.

It's just not worth the risk.

32Red that you mention in particular offer a match bonus every single day - sure it's not always 100% - but you're eventually going to run out of casinos anyway - certainly ones that will pay you.

I dunno. Seems proper mental.

Haha. I used the word "goolies".
 
I can see why you was suckerd into that, The rules seem clear but (hiding links) fraud, Only a few hours ago I came across terms in rules where some netent slots games count as 20%,

jetbull.com/Casino/Info/bonus-contribution

I have not put clickable link, Its the 2nd time in the last day I have seen these slots with lower WR but not as low as this
 
We also have our guidelines from our providers. We try keep it as player friendly as possible. As spintee posted, other casinos are stricter than we are.
 
I can see why you was suckerd into that, The rules seem clear but (hiding links) fraud, Only a few hours ago I came across terms in rules where some netent slots games count as 20%,

jetbull.com/Casino/Info/bonus-contribution

I have not put clickable link, Its the 2nd time in the last day I have seen these slots with lower WR but not as low as this

Actually Spintee you are incorrect with Jetbull. Only some Netent slots like DOA, Simsalban, Bloodsuckers, Kings of Chicago, Bloodsuckers and a couple of more count as 20% all remaining Netent slots are 100% see link below for yourself.
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In BGO Bloodsuckers and Kings of Chicago are excluded slots.

Prime slots have all their Netent at 50% which is ludicrous since they are feature Netent slots on their home page. I can see where wagering would be a lower percentage contribution for some slots (don't like it though) but not all of them,:D
 
We also have our guidelines from our providers. We try keep it as player friendly as possible. As spintee posted, other casinos are stricter than we are.

Spintee quoted a site that had reduced percentage wagering on a handful of Netent slots not all of them as you do. 50% wagering for all Netent slots is not player friendly in my book.
 
Actually Spintee you are incorrect with Jetbull. Only some Netent slots like DOA, Simsalban, Bloodsuckers, Kings of Chicago, Bloodsuckers and a couple of more count as 20% all remaining Netent slots are 100% see link below for yourself.
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

In BGO Bloodsuckers and Kings of Chicago are excluded slots.

Prime slots have all their Netent at 50% which is ludicrous since they are feature Netent slots on their home page. I can see where wagering would be a lower percentage contribution for some slots (don't like it though) but not all of them,:D

some netent slots games count as 20%, I did not say all, & 20% is bad
 
some netent slots games count as 20%, I did not say all, & 20% is bad

Yes you did but some of those same slots are excluded on other sites. It isn't anything like what Prime Slots are doing. I was just pointing it out that it was not a good example. Comparing apples to oranges really:D
 
Spintee quoted a site that had reduced percentage wagering on a handful of Netent slots not all of them as you do. 50% wagering for all Netent slots is not player friendly in my book.

& I agree if feature Netent slots on their home page & pt only count as 50% than thats basically double the playthrew already, I can see why a few games may have a smaller %, But to have all that is bad in it self
 
As I said, we have guidelines from our providers

I am not actually sure what that means but I doubt Netent would give the guidelines that wagering on their slots should only count as 50% since at every other site (bar a few exceptions) they count as 100%.
 
As I said, we have guidelines from our providers

Guidelines from your provider in terms of playthrough requirements, or guidelines from your provider in terms of RTP/Expected edge/Risk?.. :p

Can someone tell me which of the NetEnt slots count as less towards wagering at this site - because that's the ones I'm going to play at the sites I play at!
 
As I said, we have guidelines from our providers

That's just a cop out, are you a white label?

Ask your provider what is so damn special about NetEnt slots that you want to steer players away from them with a "stick", and dangle a "carrot" to get them to play others.

It could also be viewed as dishonest marketing, as saying slots count 50% is a way of making a 60x WR look like a 30x WR to make it more palatable to players. This is really a "con", as it makes it harder for players to make comparisons between different casinos. An honest casino would quote the higher WR, but at least they would not sneak in this 50% weighting on slots. Players could then make an informed decision, such as play elsewhere with a 30x or 40x WR.

Given that this is all hidden behind an invisible link only makes it look worse, as though you went to considerable lengths to keep this information from players, but could still claim that it had been published should an issue arise.

ALL slots should count 100%, it's the only fair and honest way to advertise the WR of a promotion, use a well accepted and understood benchmark, which in the case of online casino is the slot game, with other games weighted in relation to the slot games.

Excluding an arbitrary list of slots is also going to confuse most players, especially the recreational ones who just want to go in and play. Unless you understand the inner workings of the games, all slots are the same type of game, and suggestions that some slots are somehow beatable calls into doubt another well understood concept, that online slots are all completely random, despite appearances to the contrary, and that one is just as likely to win or lose no matter what slots one chooses to play.

If a few slots can be beaten by smart players, evidenced by the exclusions and weightings, then there is more to playing them than pressing spin. This brings us into the realms of the UK Fruit Machine, games that are NOT random, and can therefore be beaten by a skilled and observant player. It seems that in your case, ALL NetEnt slots have been cast into doubt, suggesting that they are 100% "better" for the player than your other slots, which means that conversely, your other slots are "crap", so why play there when one can seek out another casino offering these NetEnt slots counting 100% towards WR.

We have yet to see an operator explain WHY some slots are set to less than 100%, or excluded. I'm afraid "we have guidelines from our providers" looks like there is something to hide, either to do with NetEnt slots, or these "other" slots that count 100%.

The reluctance to explain makes it look like these other "crap" slots have been designed to a much lower RTP than the expected and accepted norm of around 95%. It's certainly something your provider would want to keep under wraps as it would negate much of the marketing efforts. Indeed, getting software providers to reveal the TRTP of their slot games has been like getting blood from a stone, yet at the same time we are told such information is "unimportant" or "not properly understood by players". If this is so, why the efforts to hide it from those who ARE interested, and who might even understand what the figure means?

Leading a consumer to believe something about your product that is not true is against advertising rules in the UK. This can even be due to the omission of information, not merely the issue of misleading information.

It does seem that quite a few players are specifically seeking out these NetEnt slots, and are not really interested in the others. To them, this 50% weighting hidden behind an invisible link is seen as an attempt to mislead.

It also seems that this dubious practice is confined to the browser based multi provider casinos, so there is something a bit odd going on that has nothing to do with the games themselves.

Maybe you have revealed what it is in your statement, these platform casinos don't think for themselves, they do as they are told by the providers, even though it is merely a "suggestion", whereas the download or single software casinos have managers that can think for themselves, making their own rules regardless of what others using the same software do.

To the player, it draws a picture of a white label, crap CS that can't authorise anything, left hands not knowing what the right is doing, and altogether a second rate place to play compared to a single supplier casino that does everything in house, making it's own decisions.
 
That's just a cop out, are you a white label?

Ask your provider what is so damn special about NetEnt slots that you want to steer players away from them with a "stick", and dangle a "carrot" to get them to play others.

It could also be viewed as dishonest marketing, as saying slots count 50% is a way of making a 60x WR look like a 30x WR to make it more palatable to players. This is really a "con", as it makes it harder for players to make comparisons between different casinos. An honest casino would quote the higher WR, but at least they would not sneak in this 50% weighting on slots. Players could then make an informed decision, such as play elsewhere with a 30x or 40x WR.

Given that this is all hidden behind an invisible link only makes it look worse, as though you went to considerable lengths to keep this information from players, but could still claim that it had been published should an issue arise.

ALL slots should count 100%, it's the only fair and honest way to advertise the WR of a promotion, use a well accepted and understood benchmark, which in the case of online casino is the slot game, with other games weighted in relation to the slot games.

Excluding an arbitrary list of slots is also going to confuse most players, especially the recreational ones who just want to go in and play. Unless you understand the inner workings of the games, all slots are the same type of game, and suggestions that some slots are somehow beatable calls into doubt another well understood concept, that online slots are all completely random, despite appearances to the contrary, and that one is just as likely to win or lose no matter what slots one chooses to play.

If a few slots can be beaten by smart players, evidenced by the exclusions and weightings, then there is more to playing them than pressing spin. This brings us into the realms of the UK Fruit Machine, games that are NOT random, and can therefore be beaten by a skilled and observant player. It seems that in your case, ALL NetEnt slots have been cast into doubt, suggesting that they are 100% "better" for the player than your other slots, which means that conversely, your other slots are "crap", so why play there when one can seek out another casino offering these NetEnt slots counting 100% towards WR.

We have yet to see an operator explain WHY some slots are set to less than 100%, or excluded. I'm afraid "we have guidelines from our providers" looks like there is something to hide, either to do with NetEnt slots, or these "other" slots that count 100%.

The reluctance to explain makes it look like these other "crap" slots have been designed to a much lower RTP than the expected and accepted norm of around 95%. It's certainly something your provider would want to keep under wraps as it would negate much of the marketing efforts. Indeed, getting software providers to reveal the TRTP of their slot games has been like getting blood from a stone, yet at the same time we are told such information is "unimportant" or "not properly understood by players". If this is so, why the efforts to hide it from those who ARE interested, and who might even understand what the figure means?

Leading a consumer to believe something about your product that is not true is against advertising rules in the UK. This can even be due to the omission of information, not merely the issue of misleading information.

It does seem that quite a few players are specifically seeking out these NetEnt slots, and are not really interested in the others. To them, this 50% weighting hidden behind an invisible link is seen as an attempt to mislead.

It also seems that this dubious practice is confined to the browser based multi provider casinos, so there is something a bit odd going on that has nothing to do with the games themselves.

Maybe you have revealed what it is in your statement, these platform casinos don't think for themselves, they do as they are told by the providers, even though it is merely a "suggestion", whereas the download or single software casinos have managers that can think for themselves, making their own rules regardless of what others using the same software do.

To the player, it draws a picture of a white label, crap CS that can't authorise anything, left hands not knowing what the right is doing, and altogether a second rate place to play compared to a single supplier casino that does everything in house, making it's own decisions.


The T&Cs are updated now.:D
Regarding the wagering, every casino has games that contribute different to the wagering.
Our house advantage with the NetEnt games is lower than with other games and therefore their contribution to the wagering requirements is lower.

Regards,
Benji
Prime Partners
 
The T&Cs are updated now.:D
Regarding the wagering, every casino has games that contribute different to the wagering.
Our house advantage with the NetEnt games is lower than with other games and therefore their contribution to the wagering requirements is lower.

Regards,
Benji
Prime Partners

I take a read now & ty for the quick response on pritate message, but with the lower wager (your not only site) how is it advantage ? I only ask as I seen on some sites as low as 20% on some slots why others are 100% & in-between
 
My PAB over this issue was unsuccessful. On viewing the evidence, Max essentially decided that the casino had enough plausible deniability and that I could not prove that they intentionally hid the terms.

It is still my firm belief that Prime Slots intentionally hid this term. The link was not underlined, it didn't read "click here", the colour of the text was almost identical to the rest (certainly if not specifically looking for a link most people would not notice). There is no good reason for having some of the bonus terms on the "bonus policy" page and some of them on another page; why are they not all on the same page? They were all on the same page a couple of months ago (when NetEnt slots apparently contributed 100% to wagering).

To be clear, if you deposit at Prime Slots and intend to play NetEnt slots the wagering requirement is Seventy (70) x Bonus. The CSR will go to considerable lengths to keep this information from you. I have chat transcripts to confirm this.

I would urge anyone still considering playing here to exercise extreme caution. This site is not trustworthy, in my opinion.
 
My PAB over this issue was unsuccessful. On viewing the evidence, Max essentially decided that the casino had enough plausible deniability and that I could not prove that they intentionally hid the terms.

It is still my firm belief that Prime Slots intentionally hid this term. The link was not underlined, it didn't read "click here", the colour of the text was almost identical to the rest (certainly if not specifically looking for a link most people would not notice). There is no good reason for having some of the bonus terms on the "bonus policy" page and some of them on another page; why are they not all on the same page? They were all on the same page a couple of months ago (when NetEnt slots apparently contributed 100% to wagering).

To be clear, if you deposit at Prime Slots and intend to play NetEnt slots the wagering requirement is Seventy (70) x Bonus. The CSR will go to considerable lengths to keep this information from you. I have chat transcripts to confirm this.

I would urge anyone still considering playing here to exercise extreme caution. This site is not trustworthy, in my opinion.

well maybe the rep would like to clarify this :D
 

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