Mastercard/Visa -- huge seizure

[pevangel]

wow, what happened to Barney frank Bill?


pevangel

 

[NASHVEGAS]

wow, what happened to Barney frank Bill?


pevangel

Hi Pevangel...........BF's proposed bill has nothing to do with allowing the use of MC/VISA for online gambling (you may need to peruse this thread) nor legalizing off-shores for online gambling given the proposed bill's requirements for licensing.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Not that simple, as you'll see by reading what has come before in this thread.

I suppose we could get in a pissing contest (as it is simple) but not on your home "Court"

 

[maxd]

I suppose we could get in a pissing contest ....

Thank you for the kind and generous offer but I'll pass.

 

[Casinomeister]

... So as a casino watchdog and player advocate site, now what

These sites were mis-coding and cascading credit/debit card transactions (unknown to most customers and potentially having negative consequences way beyond simply not funding gambling for cardholders. This is fact.)

No player advocate/casino watchdog can ignore or justify this, correct?

It's a two way street. This site is to provide information to enable everyone to make well-informed decisions for themselves. This is not a "crusading" website - it's an informational one.

I have never been a fan of using credit cards for gambling purposes; I have always been an advocate of using web-wallets - but that's me. Players need to read the terms and conditions of their credit cards and bank accounts, that's not for me or anyone else to deal with. This is a responsibility of the player.

Mind you, this only affects US based players - which is less than half the traffic here (about 40%). Even so, if you are implying that I need to monitor how casinos accept deposits or make payments for 40 percent of the players that come through here - sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have these resources.

It's up to the members here to think for themselves. If a US player has been using a Master Card to make deposits knowing that they are wrong in doing so - well it's a good chance they are going to have problems down the road. I shouldn't be expected to be waving a flag in front of their faces saying "what are you doing??" Next, I'll be having to tell people to turn their headlights on when they drive at night.

Same thing goes for the casinos. If they are planning to shoot themselves in the foot, then that's a business decision that will have consequences sooner or later. Again, this is something that this site is not involved with.

The best way to "advocate" what to do and what to avoid is by giving a platform for these things to be discussed and examined. So here ya go .

Knowledge is power.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

It's a two way street. This site is to provide information to enable everyone to make well-informed decisions for themselves. This is not a "crusading" website - it's an informational one.

I have never been a fan of using credit cards for gambling purposes; I have always been an advocate of using web-wallets - but that's me. Players need to read the terms and conditions of their credit cards and bank accounts, that's not for me or anyone else to deal with. This is a responsibility of the player.

Mind you, this only affects US based players - which is less than half the traffic here (about 40%). Even so, if you are implying that I need to monitor how casinos accept deposits or make payments for 40 percent of the players that come through here - sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have these resources.

It's up to the members here to think for themselves. If a US player has been using a Master Card to make deposits knowing that they are wrong in doing so - well it's a good chance they are going to have problems down the road. I shouldn't be expected to be waving a flag in front of their faces saying "what are you doing??" Next, I'll be having to tell people to turn their headlights on when they drive at night.
Same thing goes for the casinos. If they are planning to shoot themselves in the foot, then that's a business decision that will have consequences sooner or later. Again, this is something that this site is not involved with.

The best way to "advocate" what to do and what to avoid is by giving a platform for these things to be discussed and examined. So here ya go .

Knowledge is power.

Oh, I see.

 

[love2winalot]

turn their headlights on when they drive at night

Please come to the Philippines as there is the perception that driving at night, "with your lights off", prolongs the life of the battery, and headlights. They only turn them on if a car is coming........

I think i speak for most players. All We want to do is play our favoriate game. We do not really care about the hoops we have to jump thru to be able to do this. We wish the hoops were not there, and that Internet Gambling was 100% legal, and accepted, and so on...........But when we see this on the Casino's main page....

1. It is illegal in some areas to gamble on the internet. check with your local government.
2. Some credit cards do not allow gambling releated transactions. check with your bank.
3. Some types of money transfer services, "neteller-e wallet, ect" may not work or be allowed in your area. check with their website.
and so on..........................

This DOES NOT stop us from Gambling on the Internet. We try different things, until we come across the one that works, and off we go..........I don't care how many changes there are, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A WAY, and there will ALWAYS be players seeking that WAY.

If a major Casino group said, "Buy a money order, send it to, "Honest John" in this 3rd world country, and he will deposit into your account for you at our Casino. Guess what? "Honest John" is going to end up with more money orders than your local 7-11..........hehehe And this really is a FACT.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Please come to the Philippines as there is the perception that driving at night, "with your lights off", prolongs the life of the battery, and headlights. They only turn them on if a car is coming........

I think i speak for most players. All We want to do is play our favoriate game. We do not really care about the hoops we have to jump thru to be able to do this. We wish the hoops were not there, and that Internet Gambling was 100% legal, and accepted, and so on...........But when we see this on the Casino's main page....

1. It is illegal in some areas to gamble on the internet. check with your local government.
2. Some credit cards do not allow gambling releated transactions. check with your bank.
3. Some types of money transfer services, "neteller-e wallet, ect" may not work or be allowed in your area. check with their website.
and so on..........................

This DOES NOT stop us from Gambling on the Internet. We try different things, until we come across the one that works, and off we go..........I don't care how many changes there are, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A WAY, and there will ALWAYS be players seeking that WAY.

If a major Casino group said, "Buy a money order, send it to, "Honest John" in this 3rd world country, and he will deposit into your account for you at our Casino. Guess what? "Honest John" is going to end up with more money orders than your local 7-11..........hehehe And this really is a FACT.

I sure would not want a PROFESSIONAL ROULETTE PLAYER , LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, to speak for moi, FTR -1

 

[RedAndi]

Gift Cards?

Will all of this have any effect on using Visa gift cards?
That's my main way of funding, just the easiest way for me.
I wouldn't think it would be an issue since the cards are one shot use and not registered with a name and address, but reading through all this just has me thinking they could start blocking the transactions also.
What a mess, what a headache

 

[RobWin]

This thread makes me think that "Pre-Paid Phone Cards" will become popular again..
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[DaveG39]

As of today when I tried netspend visa at 3 dice I was told to use my use my wallet acct or QT. to deposite. Forget it not even worth it to me anymore. I dont want my CC info on qt anymore because of crackdowns so to load netspend 5 bucks to load qt 2.50 by the time I deposite Im allready behind lol.

Its a sad day when I say no to internet gaming and Im afraid that day has arrived.

Closed my website down, and I am done!

Just had my NetSpend Visa denied @ Inetbet. I'm done too. I'd try QT, but

1. I've already gotten a call in the past from the fraud dept of my bank for trying to fund QT.

2. Fees!!

 

[felicie]

Just for anyone's fyi, I had no problems using my only1 visa to fund my qt and then much to my amazement was able to use it at grand eagle today also because the qt option isn't available to me yet whatever that means. All is not lost yet.

 

[jelsmith]

My NS works at Lock

 

[vinylweatherman]

It's a two way street. This site is to provide information to enable everyone to make well-informed decisions for themselves. This is not a "crusading" website - it's an informational one.

I have never been a fan of using credit cards for gambling purposes; I have always been an advocate of using web-wallets - but that's me. Players need to read the terms and conditions of their credit cards and bank accounts, that's not for me or anyone else to deal with. This is a responsibility of the player.

Mind you, this only affects US based players - which is less than half the traffic here (about 40%). Even so, if you are implying that I need to monitor how casinos accept deposits or make payments for 40 percent of the players that come through here - sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have these resources.

It's up to the members here to think for themselves. If a US player has been using a Master Card to make deposits knowing that they are wrong in doing so - well it's a good chance they are going to have problems down the road. I shouldn't be expected to be waving a flag in front of their faces saying "what are you doing??" Next, I'll be having to tell people to turn their headlights on when they drive at night.

Same thing goes for the casinos. If they are planning to shoot themselves in the foot, then that's a business decision that will have consequences sooner or later. Again, this is something that this site is not involved with.

The best way to "advocate" what to do and what to avoid is by giving a platform for these things to be discussed and examined. So here ya go .

Knowledge is power.

It seems more and more casinos are making it perfectly clear they prefer cards over wallets. The number of operators, even accredited ones, that treat wallet users as "second class" is driving players back to using cards, just to get the service advertised as a "first class citizen" - in other words, a valued customer.

This week, things just got worse, an accredited casino refused to pay my winnings back to Neteller, and insisted on sending a cheque. This is despite the fact that Neteller has been my ONLY method used to deposit since I signed up. This is a considerable inconvenience, since instead of receiving the money last Tuesday, I am STILL waiting for the cheque, and when I get it, it will be a further 5 days at least before it becomes available to me in my bank account.

I am NOT AMERICAN, so WHY is this now starting to affect ME, even if indirectly. It looks to me like operators have their funds "stalled", and cannot move them around as before, and are having to resort to emergency measures to pay even their non US players. Before this week, this group have ALWAYS paid me back to Neteller, and this week's withdrawals of 1000 and 1200 are by no means large, so should NOT have caused a problem down to funds being in the wrong place. I WAS paid 1600 back to Neteller on Monday, from the SAME GROUP, so WTF is going on

I think that non-US players ARE going to see a few problems as a result of this card crackdown, and the other processor busts that effectively cause large amounts intended to pay winners to be seized, requiring them to be replaced out of current revenues.

 

[gambler777]

I have still been able to use my netspend gift visa at all the casinos, as well as my bank has never blocked me from using my visa debit/credit card. So I am not sure but if you buy the gift visa card from all access gift .. which is a netspend card, I have never had a problem unless their server was down so could not authorize.

 

[amatrine]

I have used my card yesterday no problem . I can not use ewallets. I can not even remember which one it was now, but a couple years ago, my bank blocked transactions from one of the ewallets. Then they would not even allow QT.

I can only withdraw by ACH since I have a PO box with no mail delivery here, and they will not send checks to PO boxes.

Well, now I see ACH is no longer an option at places I play, so looks like I am done. They have taken NS with no problem but what is the point if I can not withdraw. First it was Rivals, now RTG is following suit. No problems at Betson casinos, but I will not play there again until they fix their glitches. Trust is the most important factor, and when you have glitches that do not pay wins, well, I am not that desperate.

 

[jetset]

Interesting to see the way the feds are going after companies associated with online gambling busts...and not just the e-processor outfits either.

There have been a stream of individual and company prosecutions generated by the Kansas City grand jury probe and ancillary FBI activity, with the latest being an Arizona company and one using servers in Costa Rica (not sure how the feds make the latter charge stick - that could be interesting from a jurisdictional point of view).

"Two companies, Phoenix International Teleport Satellite Services of Chandler, Arizona and Elite Sports, a company in San Jose, Costa Rica, were charged with participating in a prohibited illegal gambling [online sports betting] business.

"The betting ring operated through a toll-free number, two Web sites and Internet servers based in Costa Rica. Cash was paid out or collected in person, typically on a weekly basis, the indictment claimed.

"Elite Sports processed and tracked bettors activities on a server in Costa Rica, charging a price-per-head fee for managing the accounts, the indictment said.

"Phoenix International provided the toll-free numbers.

"The indictment charged each defendant with one count of aiding and abetting one another to operate an illegal gambling business.

"The indictment includes a forfeiture provision, which means the defendants would have to give the government any proceeds they gained from the alleged illegal acts, including the more than $3.58 million in gross wagers.

"Phoenix International would give up all equipment used to transmit calls or Internet traffic to Costa Rica, including computers, servers, satellite dishes and other equipment."

 

[felicie]

Interesting to see the way the feds are going after companies associated with online gambling busts...and not just the e-processor outfits either.

There have been a stream of individual and company prosecutions generated by the Kansas City grand jury probe and ancillary FBI activity, with the latest being an Arizona company and one using servers in Costa Rica (not sure how the feds make the latter charge stick - that could be interesting from a jurisdictional point of view).

"Two companies, Phoenix International Teleport Satellite Services of Chandler, Arizona and Elite Sports, a company in San Jose, Costa Rica, were charged with participating in a prohibited illegal gambling [online sports betting] business.

"The betting ring operated through a toll-free number, two Web sites and Internet servers based in Costa Rica. Cash was paid out or collected in person, typically on a weekly basis, the indictment claimed.

"Elite Sports processed and tracked bettors activities on a server in Costa Rica, charging a price-per-head fee for managing the accounts, the indictment said.

"Phoenix International provided the toll-free numbers.

"The indictment charged each defendant with one count of aiding and abetting one another to operate an illegal gambling business.

"The indictment includes a forfeiture provision, which means the defendants would have to give the government any proceeds they gained from the alleged illegal acts, including the more than $3.58 million in gross wagers.

"Phoenix International would give up all equipment used to transmit calls or Internet traffic to Costa Rica, including computers, servers, satellite dishes and other equipment."

Isn't the above sort of like a Bookie? This all sounds like a lot more than playing slots and poker at online casinos. Sounds like big boy stuff where the laws have been real clear for ages.

 

[love2winalot]

Why try to legalize, and regulate online gambling, when you can just Fine the hell out of them? It truely is, ALL ABOUT THE MONEY $$$$$$.

 

[Shyguy]

We were informed today that players from the US "can still use" Visa at online casinos and Mastercard can be used if it doesn't work first of all, by submitting an authorization form.

I don't think MC/V have pulled out of the market all together but are simply making it more difficult for players to use these cards to make deposits.

It shows the US Government that they are "doing their bit" but in reality they are just making the system more bureaucratic for players.

 

[cindie7777]

This is a very long thread and I may have missed the answer to this question

Where does the money go that is held or whatever they want to call extortion does the casino eventually recieve it?

Because the way I feel is that is my d*** money and if I want to spend it at a fricking casino thats no ones business and the money better not be going to these crooked Banksters that are raping Americans coming and going. They get my payroll taxes with bailouts, they are allowed to screw customers over with their fees and procedures, Congress won't make a move until they hear what the Bank Lobby would like for them to do. I'm so sick of this because from reading this I feel like this is another way for them to rip us off legally. The money that I charge on my prepaid debit should go to the person I intend it to go to or it should be put back in my account. It better not be confiscated without my knowledge. Please someone tell me the casinos eventually get their money our money and not the crooked fraudulent Banksters.

 

[alfred666]

Where does the money go that is held or whatever they want to call extortion does the casino eventually recieve it?

The money goes directly to the card associations (mainly Mastercard in this case). Depending on the individual circumstances, some money may be released to the merchant at a later stage again, but usually a big portion is lost in fines.

This isn't a new business model for MC either, they are known to generate a very significant part of their overall revenue from fines.

 

[SeattleSinner]

Would someone mind PMing some good casinos that accept MC?

 

[footdr]

I would have to reply .......

"none"
Have tried virtually everywhere.

 

[3mptyseat]

Would someone mind PMing some good casinos that accept MC?

It just takes an impulse control problem grand enough to work these things out... So u got a mastercard, and u wanna use it for online gaming, in some form? Well then you start by going to a website like entropay. Create. Verify. Deposit. and Presto, u now have a Virtual Visa for ur 4.5percent. It will work at places like quicktender. Which works at tons of fabulous casinos. It also works for me at all of the level 11 US facing (US raking) MG's sites as well...

And then u got any casino that uses alert pay to consider. There are more casinos accepting AlertP out there then I care to admit. (3 RTGS I guess are the only options for Stateside gaming) And AlertP charges all fees thru the vendor, so its 20 bux off the MC for 20 bux in casino funny money...

But if I may retort to the OP: IF there are 'good' casinos available for the US gambler, most of them you have to be 'grandfathered-in' at, and the remaining handful are not as good as they used to be. Of these, none take MC directly, that I am aware of...