Conservative Party Leadership Odds

[News Hound]

On Brexit Day, we cover the contenders for the Iron Throne, I mean the keys to Number 10. Full details: Top Contenders Jockey for Position to Replace May as Prime Minister

 

[mack341]

Dominic Raab is a decent man, resigned from his job out of principle, he'd be my choice.

 

[SkyHooks]

Dunno about you bloody poms. Shes given an impossible task that is purposely sabotaged by opposition to delay and render her incompendant in public eyes. Whoever wrote the question when you had the referendum was the incompetent one. I thought the Aussie parliament was a joke. You poms make Australia look organised.

 

[steveh35]

Dunno about you bloody poms. Shes given an impossible task that is purposely sabotaged by opposition to delay and render her incompendant in public eyes. Whoever wrote the question when you had the referendum was the incompetent one. I thought the Aussie parliament was a joke. You poms make Australia look organised.

You are correct that the opposition to brexit are making it as hard as possible but May should never have gone for the election and lost a majority, she is tied by the DUP and the ERG and the remainers.

I don't even think a general election would sort this as it's possible the Tory seats in Scotland would go to the SNP making it even harder for a decision to be made.

Where I live we were the highest voting leave area in Yorkshire but this town is so Labour they could be hanging children in a public square every Sunday and still people here would vote for them, the Tories cannot take control of Labour voting leave areas so a general election is useless.

I was hoping that we would be out today but it's getting to the stage now where the EU will just say bugger off on April 12th we have had enough, the mp's voting today think the EU will extend for a long period I don't I think they are fed up and will just tell us to go.

 

[mack341]

I think saint Theresa's the engineer and architect of her own downfall, her 'deal' that's taken 2 years to negotiate is dire, but I agree our parliament is a joke, there's about 200 max decent mp's who respect the will of the people and the rest are clearly in the wrong job, they want us to take orders from unelected bureaucrats and pay for the privilege of doing so, that's the long and short of it.

 

[dunover]

OH joy! Roger Daltrey just recently been interviewed at Wembley stadium regarding a new tour by the Who.

Lefty young brainwashed reporter gets owned - classic! I'm going to get Mr. Daltrey a pint via buying a few of their back catalogue....

 

[shadow123]

Give them a chance to sort it out, its only been nearly 3 years since the referendum,these things take time

God knows why the stupid cow called an election, it would have been sorted long ago if she hadnt

 

[mack341]

OH joy! Roger Daltrey just recently been interviewed at Wembley stadium regarding a new tour by the Who.

Lefty young brainwashed reporter gets owned - classic! I'm going to get Mr. Daltrey a pint via buying a few of their back catalogue....

typical sky news, ratbag remainers. people think it's a conservative news channel but it's a blairite channel

 

[steveh35]

OH joy! Roger Daltrey just recently been interviewed at Wembley stadium regarding a new tour by the Who.

Lefty young brainwashed reporter gets owned - classic! I'm going to get Mr. Daltrey a pint via buying a few of their back catalogue....

Finally someone who has said it, how did the Beatles or The Stones or the 80s bands ever make it big without the EU, I mean my goodness Elvis managed to have a career without ever setting foot in the UK, I hope that reporter feels stupid now.

 

[steveh35]

The farce continues let's hope we just go on April 12th whatever that may mean.

 

[goatwack]

It's basically unbelievable and become a joke. What a mess it's become.

SkyHooks, susanjbo & crikeym8 were all the same person

 

[lockinlove]

Wasnt planning on going anyways. You violent bunch!

 

[steveh35]

Wasnt planning on going anyways. You violent bunch!

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Canadians lead by the biggest snowflake in the world and that warning proves it.

 

[09237653]

Still at least we were lucky to avoid chaos with Ed Miliband.

 

[irish-ranger]

What a fucking joke 17 million voted to leave and yet we are being held to ransom by Europe and the very people who are suppose to speak for us in parliament.
What happens if we have another referendum and the result is the same do we drop the voting age to 12 and keep going until the remainers get the result they are looking for.
Let's just pull the pin and leave and let the pain begin even tho employment is at it highest since 1973 how the hell do they explain that one??

 

[goatwack]

The Cons never wanted to leave the EU, I think that much is obvious, and now we see this whole process go through every possible permutation except the one people actually voted for!

So hard Brexit has now become 'not really a full exit, we still want to stay in Europe' and Theresa May's done her best to bungle the whole process. And I bet David Cameron's still weeping into his frappucino about 2016's Referendum result

By the same token, what is this crap notion of 'Democracy' that we're still supposed to abide by. The Cons say they want to honour the people's vote and preserve the sanctity of Democracy. How about outright sabotage and trying to save face more like.....

And today's generation are pathetic anyway. Didn't get the result you wanted? Throw a hissy-fit, wail on all the 'Socials' and become an armchair slacktivist until you get your way!

Of course it's only fitting that Boris Johnson ascends to PM. From party maverick and laughing stock to top spot. Then the circle is complete

 

[dunover]

Wasnt planning on going anyways. You violent bunch!

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I wouldn't laugh actually - the undercurrent is extreme anger and if you want to see civil unrest of a kind not seen since the 1800's then offer another referendum with remain as an option or keep us in. MP's will be targeted and I can envisage a mob storming the houses and marching the MP's to the Tower, ceremonially if they're lucky. Parliament ceases to have authority when it disobeys a people's instruction. I would be very worried people. My end, no taxation without representation. Cancel my TV Tax, Council Tax payments and withhold income tax. Civil disobedience will be the least violent result. There's a lot of scaffolding around the Houses of Parliament at present - let's hope it isn't put to its more traditional use.

 

[The Viking]

Yeah Kafka new what he was writing about

 

[steveh35]

Still at least we were lucky to avoid chaos with Ed Miliband.

As someone worked in the civil service under three prime ministers I can tell you just count yourself lucky Gordon Brown wasn't prime minister never has a person had no negotiating skills, a union rep once told me they went to negotiate with him and he basically stood by a white board and told the union what he was going to do and had no idea that a union meeting meant he was supposed to negotiate and compromise he couldn't understand that they were not there just to listen to him and agree with him.

He also had totally contempt for the public and the bigot comment he made to the woman during election was typical of him and his attitude.

Out of the three prime ministers he was the worst which isn't saying much Tony Blair just wanted to be mr popular and David Cameron well he just wanted to sack the whole civil service and did quite a good job of it.

 

[irish-ranger]

As someone worked in the civil service under three prime ministers I can tell you just count yourself lucky Gordon Brown wasn't prime minister never has a person had no negotiating skills, a union rep once told me they went to negotiate with him and he basically stood by a white board and told the union what he was going to do and had no idea that a union meeting meant he was supposed to negotiate and compromise he couldn't understand that they were not there just to listen to him and agree with him.

He also had totally contempt for the public and the bigot comment he made to the woman during election was typical of him and his attitude.

Out of the three prime ministers he was the worst which isn't saying much Tony Blair just wanted to be mr popular and David Cameron well he just wanted to sack the whole civil service and did quite a good job of it.

Blair might have wanted to be Mr Popular but in the eyes of the armed forces he was a liar and a war criminal....

 

[mack341]

Dominic Raab is a decent man, resigned from his job out of principle, he'd be my choice.

For the record I'll have to retract this now, just found out he voted in favour of Theresa's terrible deal earlier today

Re Tony Blair, I wish all remainers would think about the fact that he is one of the biggest backers of remaining in the EU, what did Blair ever do that was actually good for the uk?

 

[DreamRJ]

For the record I'll have to retract this now, just found out he voted in favour of Theresa's terrible deal earlier today

Re Tony Blair, I wish all remainers would think about the fact that he is one of the biggest backers of remaining in the EU, what did Blair ever do that was actually good for the uk?

For what it is worth. Raab was and is an hard brexiteer. Only reason he voted for the deal was because of the fact Maybot said she will resign. Plus the fact there was a huge risk of there being a long extension. I am a remainer and always will be. I will never change my views on it. We need the EU just like the EU need us.

And to which a long extension is now basically a sure thing as long as the other 27 member states vote in favour of it on 10th April at the emergency summit. Maybot will also have to give them a good reason for asking for one as well. It will also mean we will have to partake in the EU elections as well.

Obviously I do think that most people on this forum might be hard brexiteers more so than remainers. So our views will clash of course

 

[mack341]

For what it is worth. Raab was and is an hard brexiteer. Only reason he voted for the deal was because of the fact Maybot said she will resign. Plus the fact there was a huge risk of there being a long extension. I am a remainer and always will be. I will never change my views on it. We need the EU just like the EU need us.

And to which a long extension is now basically a sure thing as long as the other 27 member states vote in favour of it on 10th April at the emergency summit. Maybot will also have to give them a good reason for asking for one as well. It will also mean we will have to partake in the EU elections as well.

Obviously I do think that most people on this forum might be hard brexiteers more so than remainers. So our views will clash of course

All this talk of 'hard' brexiteers, what about 'hard' remainers, you can't get much more inflexible than not recognising the democratic result of the referendum, like these mp's [conservative and labour]

I don't really follow the logic of Dominic Raab voting for it because May promised to resign, vote against it and she'd most likely have to resign anyway ? She surely can't keep losing votes and still be PM, it's making our country look silly. Rees Mogg is just as bad, everything he's been saying up to now e.g. principles, democracy, honesty etc.. he's just done a 360 u-turn, what a plonker and a let down.

As an avid remainer do you support an EU army, the new copyright laws, ditching the pound for the euro?
[ just three issues out of many ]

I'm all for polite, logical debate, and some remainers believe they are doing the right thing for the future of the country [and not just for themselves], so I wouldn't accuse all remainers of being traitors or unpatriotic.

I hold a different view of the media, and describe them as ratbag remainers, as they seek to circumvent democracy and will shamelessly lie and distort issues to achieve their aim, they know they're not presenting a balance view now on this parliament debacle, just as they were biased in the lead up to the referendum.

Channel four is one of the worse culprits, the bbc gets a lot of stick and rightly so, but people forget C4 is basically a state owned tv channel, it's not independent so will pump out propaganda as and when required.

Luckily the majority of brits saw through it and stood firm, saying that we haven't left yet and the vote was nearly 3 years ago

 

[DreamRJ]

All this talk of 'hard' brexiteers, what about 'hard' remainers, you can't get much more inflexible than not recognising the democratic result of the referendum, like these mp's [conservative and labour]

I don't really follow the logic of Dominic Raab voting for it because May promised to resign, vote against it and she'd most likely have to resign anyway ? She surely can't keep losing votes and still be PM, it's making our country look silly. Rees Mogg is just as bad, everything he's been saying up to now e.g. principles, democracy, honesty etc.. he's just done a 360 u-turn, what a plonker and a let down.

As an avid remainer do you support an EU army, the new copyright laws, ditching the pound for the euro?
[ just three issues out of many ]

I'm all for polite, logical debate, and many remainers believe they are doing the right thing for the future of the country, so I wouldn't accuse all remainers of being traitors or unpatriotic. I hold a different view of the media, and describe them as ratbag remainers, as they seek to circumvent democracy and will shamelessly lie and distort issues to achieve their aim, they know they're not presenting a balance view now on this parliament debacle, just as they were biased in the lead up to the referendum. Channel four is one of the worse culprits, the bbc gets a lot of stick and rightly so, but people forget C4 is basically a state owned tv channel, it's not independent so will pump out propaganda as and when required.

Luckily the majority of brits saw through it and stood firm, saying that we haven't left yet and the vote was nearly 3 years ago

Well obviously there is some aspects of the EU I do not like. But as for the Euro. Well we have a concession with the EU so we do not need to have it. But if for example we did leave and a new Party who came into power decided to hold a referendum again to rejoin the EU. It would probably result in us then losing the old rules we had, so yes we would be then forced to sign up as a new member state and all previous concessions we had and opt out clauses would all be lost.

As for the Army, well no I am not a fan of an EU army, we already have the Nato and the UN armies. So we really do not need an EU army as that will just drain resources from Nato and UN armies and also the troops will need to switch as well.

As for copyright laws changing. Well I am not too bothered about that to be honest. There is other EU laws which I hate more than that one anyway lol. Like the E-Cig laws that basically now enforce a 2ml tank size and also max nicotine strength of 20mg. I vape at 3mg, but you can now only buy juice without nicotine in them. So you then have to buy the nic shots and mix your own.

But again as for Raab, I personally dislike him. I find him a total pompous git lol All politicians only care for their own career. Do never be fooled when they use the soundbites of "I care for the people of the country" As they do not care what so ever. Most of them anyway (Mainly conservative MP's)

 

[steveh35]

To be honest the one true mp who has stuck by her constituents is Caroline Flint she knows 68.4% of her constituents voted leave and has gone against Labour policy and Momentum are trying to get her deselected. good luck with that she will have full support from the locals for sticking by what they voted for.

Does anyone think this new snowflake Tony Blair inspired do-gooding numpties of the TIG group will get anywhere or will they soon go back to their parties when Corbyn and May disappear?