Conservative Party Leadership Odds

[mack341]

Well obviously there is some aspects of the EU I do not like. But as for the Euro. Well we have a concession with the EU so we do not need to have it. But if for example we did leave and a new Party who came into power decided to hold a referendum again to rejoin the EU. It would probably result in us then losing the old rules we had, so yes we would be then forced to sign up as a new member state and all previous concessions we had and opt out clauses would all be lost.

As for the Army, well no I am not a fan of an EU army, we already have the Nato and the UN armies. So we really do not need an EU army as that will just drain resources from Nato and UN armies and also the troops will need to switch as well.

As for copyright laws changing. Well I am not too bothered about that to be honest. There is other EU laws which I hate more than that one anyway lol. Like the E-Cig laws that basically now enforce a 2ml tank size and also max nicotine strength of 20mg. I vape at 3mg, but you can now only buy juice without nicotine in them. So you then have to buy the nic shots and mix your own.

But again as for Raab, I personally dislike him. I find him a total pompous git lol All politicians only care for their own career. Do never be fooled when they use the soundbites of "I care for the people of the country" As they do not care what so ever. Most of them anyway (Mainly conservative MP's)

I think that's a bit sweeping regarding tories, Tony blair came across as 'caring' to some people from the labour party and looked what human suffering and carnage he caused, and you've only got to look at the danger of political correctness [ which developed massively under blair's labour govt and carried on under tory PM david cameron] that ended up in the police and social services deliberately turning a blind eye to the gang raping of children in places like rotherham. ['caring' not to offend the pakistani community, 'caring' not to do their job]

BTW someone I admired from the left, Tony Benn, a giant of british politics and the labour party couldn't stand the EU.

 

[mack341]

 

[DreamRJ]

I think that's a bit sweeping regarding tories, Tony blair came across as 'caring' to some people from the labour party and looked what human suffering and carnage he caused, and you've only got to look at the danger of political correctness [ which developed massively under blair's labour govt and carried on under tory PM david cameron] that ended up in the police and social services deliberately turning a blind eye to the gang raping of children in places like rotherham. ['caring' not to offend the pakistani community, 'caring' not to do their job]

BTW someone I admired from the left, Tony Benn, a giant of british politics and the labour party couldn't stand the EU.

I could not disagree with you more about Tony Blair. I admired him. He was a great PM. Only thing that caused issues with him was that Iraq war that he coerced with President Bush to goto War in Iraq. As for human suffering and carnage, please do elaborate? As Labour always made sure that people who was vulnerable was always looked after. It was and always has been the conservatives who care only for the rich and not for the poor and disabled and vulnerable. So you could not be more wrong. I think you totally misunderstand and are confused about what party is on what political scale. Conservatives are mainly right and now edging towards being more centre. As for Labour. Under Blair he made them more centred but Now under Corbyn the Labour party is now more left. Left = socialists and right = capitalists. Centre is pretty = towards both ends of the scale. Hence why they call it centre

But please do elaborate and humour me on how Blair caused human suffering and carnage?

 

[steveh35]

I could not disagree with you more about Tony Blair. I admired him. He was a great PM. Only thing that caused issues with him was that Iraq war that he coerced with President Bush to goto War in Iraq. As for human suffering and carnage, please do elaborate? As Labour always made sure that people who was vulnerable was always looked after. It was and always has been the conservatives who care only for the rich and not for the poor and disabled and vulnerable. So you could not be more wrong. I think you totally misunderstand and are confused about what party is on what political scale. Conservatives are mainly right and now edging towards being more centre. As for Labour. Under Blair he made them more centred but Now under Corbyn the Labour party is now more left. Left = socialists and right = capitalists. Centre is pretty = towards both ends of the scale. Hence why they call it centre

But please do elaborate and humour me on how Blair caused human suffering and carnage?

Oh dear Blair a great pm if only you had been in the civil service for the 7 years I was under Blair you would know very different, if you had seen people queing down the streets waiting for tax credits and supergluing their hands to tax office tables, the fundermental flaws in the tax credit system which left people penniless as Tony blair and Gordon Brown didn't understand that people's re;ationships changed and that the tax credit system didn't account for people with unstable lives which meant they ended up paying thousands back, also Labour introduced food banks in 2004 to cope with the issues.

Tony Blair cared nothing for the vulnerable he just wanted to be in the limelight and seen as some kind of hero.

 

[Luckyscouser45]

I don’t care who will be the next Tory leader!! I’m labour through and through. We are all entitled to our opinions. Conservatives have destroyed Liverpool ruined our schools with no funding my little sisters school on brink of closure education secretary doesn’t give a toss even after letters from hundreds of parents in support of the school. No police in the area hence all the drug dealing and stabbings in Liverpool. This isn’t just Liverpool it’s all over the UK. Disabled people treated with utter contempt. So tell me again why most of you vote Tory? Yuck! All this is going on and there is brexit Theresa May was a remainer it makes my blood boil that she is still in a job I don’t pity her I despise her and I despise the Tory party.

 

[Luckyscouser45]

She couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery and the rest of the party are out of touch snobs. Conservatives do not care about the little people the working man or woman or families they care about themselves number one and two there rich freinds and party donors.

 

[steveh35]

If Corbyn gets in and gets his customs union with the EU he won't be able to nationalise the industries he wants to as under EU law countries cannot nationalise companies so he actually needs us to have a no deal or else his manifesto will be unnforcable.

 

[steveh35]

I don’t care who will be the next Tory leader!! I’m labour through and through. We are all entitled to our opinions. Conservatives have destroyed Liverpool ruined our schools with no funding my little sisters school on brink of closure education secretary doesn’t give a toss even after letters from hundreds of parents in support of the school. No police in the area hence all the drug dealing and stabbings in Liverpool. This isn’t just Liverpool it’s all over the UK. Disabled people treated with utter contempt. So tell me again why most of you vote Tory? Yuck! All this is going on and there is brexit Theresa May was a remainer it makes my blood boil that she is still in a job I don’t pity her I despise her and I despise the Tory party.

If you think things are bad now just imagine what it would be like under a Momentum run Labour government with John McDonnell the country will be strike ridden and all the companies who invest and provide jobs will run for the hills under Labours plans, I do think this country needs one period of Momentum Labour to show the millenium generation just what it is like then it.

 

[steveh35]

Wasnt planning on going anyways. You violent bunch!

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I see the Canadian PM is involved in a scandal

 

[mack341]

I could not disagree with you more about Tony Blair. I admired him. He was a great PM. Only thing that caused issues with him was that Iraq war that he coerced with President Bush to goto War in Iraq. As for human suffering and carnage, please do elaborate? As Labour always made sure that people who was vulnerable was always looked after. It was and always has been the conservatives who care only for the rich and not for the poor and disabled and vulnerable. So you could not be more wrong. I think you totally misunderstand and are confused about what party is on what political scale. Conservatives are mainly right and now edging towards being more centre. As for Labour. Under Blair he made them more centred but Now under Corbyn the Labour party is now more left. Left = socialists and right = capitalists. Centre is pretty = towards both ends of the scale. Hence why they call it centre

But please do elaborate and humour me on how Blair caused human suffering and carnage?

I don't think there's any much need for me to elaborate on the blinking obvious re T.Blair, the man was an odious creep. I could post images of war wounded people, soldier and civilian, from the Iraq and afghanistan wars if that would help you understand one of the reasons the man is regarded with utter contempt by the country?

 

[goatwack]

I can't believe anyone would admit to liking Tony Blair! He had a 'good' start back in 1997, I remember the optimism and upbeat vibes after landsliding John Major & co.

All was tickety-boo round about 'til he decided to drag us into unwinnable, Vietnam-esque wars in the Middle East, which if I recall everyone and their dog were dead against, including marching to protest etc.......back when there were valid reasons to march and not whether we'd get a soft or hard Brexit

Tony Blair is a war criminal that should be hung, drawn & quartered. Him and his master are responsible for the mess the world's in now, the pair of murderous TWATS

 

[steveh35]

I can't believe anyone would admit to liking Tony Blair! He had a 'good' start back in 1997, I remember the optimism and upbeat vibes after landsliding John Major & co.

All was tickety-boo round about 'til he decided to drag us into unwinnable, Vietnam-esque wars in the Middle East, which if I recall everyone and their dog were dead against, including marching to protest etc.......back when there were valid reasons to march and not whether we'd get a soft or hard Brexit

Tony Blair is a war criminal that should be hung, drawn & quartered. Him and his master are responsible for the mess the world's in now, the pair of murderous TWATS

Tony Blair just arrived at the right time politically, he was around when Britpop was in full flow, girl power and a general mood of change in people of a certain age who didn't want to be associated with the 80s and wanted their voices heard. The Conservatives were just seen as an old throwback to the 80s he seemed like he would bring a new future.

Anyone could be the new Tony Blair now to bring change but there isn't anyone in either party who has the style, charm and dominance that politics needs all parties are just full of wet, limp nobodies, where is the Churchill, Thatcher, Blair presence of MP to be prime minister there is just nobody.

 

[goatwack]

Tony Blair just arrived at the right time politically, he was around when Britpop was in full flow, girl power and a general mood of change in people of a certain age who didn't want to be associated with the 80s and wanted their voices heard. The Conservatives were just seen as an old throwback to the 80s he seemed like he would bring a new future.

Anyone could be the new Tony Blair now to bring change but there isn't anyone in either party who has the style, charm and dominance that politics needs all parties are just full of wet, limp nobodies, where is the Churchill, Thatcher, Blair presence of MP to be prime minister there is just nobody.

He was what the party needed at the time, maybe even the country, because Labour were stale as week-old bread and their best hope in the form of John Smith had unexpectedly died if I recall. So Blair seized the opportunity well, there's no denying. I think I still have the 'Education, Education, Education' speech etched in my Thalamus

He was undoubtedly charming at first and very un-politician-like. It's what endeared everyone to vote for him and nuke that grey bore John Major. We'll ignore that he nicked half of Conservative policies and spun them into something else

Now it's like Labour has gone back 60 years with Commie Corbyn, kinda hilarious how he's trying to get down with the kids by basically bribing them and appearing at pop concerts to look 'hip'. All the while looking like a throwback to when people could leave their front door unlocked

 

[Luckyscouser45]

Who do the Tory’s have Jacob reese mog who would have us all back in the work house Esther Mcvile Sajid Javid the man who’s own father was an immigrant yet he is still carrying out the hostile environment that Amber Rudd started there all scum bags. Maybe you all live in places were the Tory’s haven’t destroyed your towns and city’s in Liverpool we will never forget what the Tory’s done to our city and we will never vote Tory

He was what the party needed at the time, maybe even the country, because Labour were stale as week-old bread and their best hope in the form of John Smith had unexpectedly died if I recall. So Blair seized the opportunity well, there's no denying. I think I still have the 'Education, Education, Education' speech etched in my Thalamus

He was undoubtedly charming at first and very un-politician-like. It's what endeared everyone to vote for him and nuke that grey bore John Major. We'll ignore that he nicked half of Conservative policies and spun them into something else

Now it's like Labour has gone back 60 years with Commie Corbyn, kinda hilarious how he's trying to get down with the kids by basically bribing them and appearing at pop concerts to look 'hip'. All the while looking like a throwback to when people could leave their front door unlocked

 

[steveh35]

He was what the party needed at the time, maybe even the country, because Labour were stale as week-old bread and their best hope in the form of John Smith had unexpectedly died if I recall. So Blair seized the opportunity well, there's no denying. I think I still have the 'Education, Education, Education' speech etched in my Thalamus

He was undoubtedly charming at first and very un-politician-like. It's what endeared everyone to vote for him and nuke that grey bore John Major. We'll ignore that he nicked half of Conservative policies and spun them into something else

Now it's like Labour has gone back 60 years with Commie Corbyn, kinda hilarious how he's trying to get down with the kids by basically bribing them and appearing at pop concerts to look 'hip'. All the while looking like a throwback to when people could leave their front door unlocked

Even D:Ream singer and writer Peter Cunnah must hate Blair he single handedly took one of the most recognised and played pop songs of the 90s straight off the radio airwaves and lost a fortune in royalties as no one would touch the song, only now is the song getting more airplay again thanks to oldies tv and radio but he must regret letting that song be used.

 

[goatwack]

Who do the Tory’s have Jacob reese mog who would have us all back in the work house Esther Mcvile Sajid Javid the man who’s own father was an immigrant yet he is still carrying out the hostile environment that Amber Rudd started there all scum bags. Maybe you all live in places were the Tory’s haven’t destroyed your towns and city’s in Liverpool we will never forget what the Tory’s done to our city and we will never vote Tory

I don't recall saying I liked the Conservatives? 20+ years ago I actually voted Labour, I think 2010 Conservatives because let's face it, Labour were tired and Gordon Brown incompetent.

What the Conservatives have done in the David Cameron era (and before no doubt) is nothing short of criminal, Welfare cuts, austerity etc.....a very miserable, elitist, hating the everyman kinda bunch. There's no doubt if they could have made the unemployed work in Work Houses, they would, they despise the poor.

That's why I see little benefit in voting for either of the big parties. Lib Dems are a cameo sideshow now. But there's no denying Labour would equally f*ck the country up in their own unique way.....like paying for lots of nice things, a little something for everyone, all provided for by the magical money fairy in the sky

 

[goatwack]

Even D:Ream singer and writer Peter Cunnah must hate Blair he single handedly took one of the most recognised and played pop songs of the 90s straight off the radio airwaves and lost a fortune in royalties as no one would touch the song, only now is the song getting more airplay again thanks to oldies tv and radio but he must regret letting that song be used.

Can't have it both ways. No point retroactively whining about it, he no doubt benefited from the publicity from hawking that song to death. Now he decides 'Oh shucks, Tony Blair was a tosser, I hope no one remembers my part in promoting him'

No doubt he regrets it now, that song will always be linked with that Labour campaign of Tony Blair

 

[steveh35]

Can't have it both ways. No point retroactively whining about it, he no doubt benefited from the publicity from hawking that song to death. Now he decides 'Oh shucks, Tony Blair was a tosser, I hope no one remembers my part in promoting him'

No doubt he regrets it now, that song will always be linked with that Labour campaign of Tony Blair

The link doesn't work anymore but seems he changed his mind

THE pop star behind New Labour's anthem insisted last night Things Can Only Get Better - if voters DUMP the Party.
D:Ream singer Peter Cunnah - whose track was Tony Blair's theme tune when he swept to power in 1997 - backed The Sun as he declared: "We need to give David Cameron a chance."



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[dunover]

I don't recall saying I liked the Conservatives? 20+ years ago I actually voted Labour, I think 2010 Conservatives because let's face it, Labour were tired and Gordon Brown incompetent.

What the Conservatives have done in the David Cameron era (and before no doubt) is nothing short of criminal, Welfare cuts, austerity etc.....a very miserable, elitist, hating the everyman kinda bunch. There's no doubt if they could have made the unemployed work in Work Houses, they would, they despise the poor.

That's why I see little benefit in voting for either of the big parties. Lib Dems are a cameo sideshow now. But there's no denying Labour would equally f*ck the country up in their own unique way.....like paying for lots of nice things, a little something for everyone, all provided for by the magical money fairy in the sky

I think it's more of a case they despise the lazy poor. Welfare cuts were partly to appease public pressure and partly because of the bankrupt treasury Liebore left in 2010. Now, 'workfare' has been tried in some US states IIRC and proved reasonably successful although not by the means of workhouses. Austerity was a result of economic turbulence, not spite and without it economically we'd have been in the real shit now. 'Good housekeeping', I believe Maggie T called it.

 

[lockinlove]

I see the Canadian PM is involved in a scandal

That's what happens when you are a complete clown act.

 

[pinnit2014]

I think it's more of a case they despise the lazy poor. Welfare cuts were partly to appease public pressure and partly because of the bankrupt treasury Liebore left in 2010. Now, 'workfare' has been tried in some US states IIRC and proved reasonably successful although not by the means of workhouses. Austerity was a result of economic turbulence, not spite and without it economically we'd have been in the real shit now. 'Good housekeeping', I believe Maggie T called it.

Really? Portugal seem to have done OK after the newly elected socialists kicked it the the kerb many years ago

 

[DreamRJ]

I can't believe anyone would admit to liking Tony Blair! He had a 'good' start back in 1997, I remember the optimism and upbeat vibes after landsliding John Major & co.

All was tickety-boo round about 'til he decided to drag us into unwinnable, Vietnam-esque wars in the Middle East, which if I recall everyone and their dog were dead against, including marching to protest etc.......back when there were valid reasons to march and not whether we'd get a soft or hard Brexit

Tony Blair is a war criminal that should be hung, drawn & quartered. Him and his master are responsible for the mess the world's in now, the pair of murderous TWATS

But you do know there was actually a vote in Parliament about it? So they could have easily voted against going to war in Iraq. Just saying. Yes that vote I think was not a free vote, so MP's in the Labour Party was whipped to vote in favour of it.

EDIT: And yep, I was right Parliament did get a vote on it.

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[mack341]

But you do know there was actually a vote in Parliament about it? So they could have easily voted against going to war in Iraq. Just saying. Yes that vote I think was not a free vote, so MP's in the Labour Party was whipped to vote in favour of it.

EDIT: And yep, I was right Parliament did get a vote on it.

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course we know there was a vote but that doesn't absolve Blair from the primary culpability, he and other leading politicians and advisers [jack straw alistair campbell etc..] were the chief proponents and instigators.

 

[dunover]

Really? Portugal seem to have done OK after the newly elected socialists kicked it the the kerb many years ago

Really? Check out the economic facts about debt and unemployment. Tells a quite different story alas. The joys of living under socialism's effective bankruptcy.

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[steveh35]

Really? Check out the economic facts about debt and unemployment. Tells a quite different story alas. The joys of living under socialism's effective bankruptcy.

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Unfortunately Dunover the only way this generation will find out what it's like is for them to experience it, if that means the country has to go through a huge economic crisis for them to find out then so be it.