PLAYTECH: the nightmare list

[caruso]

How is this T&C interpreted (From golden palace signup bonus T&C's)?

If the casino deems that you have wagered and risked only the BONUS in order to pass the audit, the casino reserves the right to void any winnings resulting from these wagers as well as the bonus itself, and will refund your purchases.

On the former: if Golden Palace ever actually INVOKE this clause, then they will belong in with all the rest. I've not heard of them ever doing this, however.

It seems they've sailed a bit closer to the wind than I realized on this one:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/66548-post35.html

Then suddenly they locked my accounts and when I called them to inquire the security department said I was a bonus abuser and that they would refund my deposits but I wouldn't receive any of my winnings.

They paid in the end, however.

[caruso]

Monaco Gold very kindly provided me with their complete group via a snail-mail spam shot this morning. Add to that a rather neat list posted in another thread...

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/89047-post63.html

...and I'm posting an update of the current Playtech Nightmare List. For some reason I originally missed out African Palace and Indio. No idea why that was. I have also now separated the offending casinos from those "guilty by association" by putting the offenders in bold. Any corrections / comments, please say - I'm more than happy to repost and keep this list as visible as possible.


Giant Vegas
Royal Dice

African Palace
Indio

Swiss Casino
Casino Las Vegas
50 Stars Casino
Casino King
Magic Box

Vegas Red
Casino Tropez
Casino Del Rio
Europa Casino
Hammers

Grand Banks
Sterling House
Black Widow

Joyland
Monaco Gold
Carnival
Club Dice
Prestige
Playgate
Diamond Club
USA New York

Grand Banks
Black Widow
Sterling House


All the above 28 casinos have themelves, or belong to the same group that have, misappropriated players' funds in one form or another.

[jetset]

Good work, Caruso - keep spreading the word.

You'll find more questionable deeds perpetrated on a player at African Palace and Indio in this week's Casino Cautions in Casinomeister News btw.

The allegations include reneging even on a settlement deal brokered by Neteller.

[silkprint]

I think I might stick to micro as I am now waiting over a week for a cashin at one playtech. Last time I cashed out at another one it took more than 2 weeks .

[Pinababy69]

There may be another one to add to the list...I believe it's brand new, and I also believe it is affiliated with Royal Dice and Giant Vegas.

http://www.sierrastarcasino.com

I haven't really perused the website in full, I'll leave that to the more experienced ones on here. And if I'm wrong about this, by all means feel free to edit my post.

On closer inspection, it is a part of the Bet Rev stable. Not sure if it belongs on the list, but I would assume so?

[caruso]

Giant Vegas
Royal Dice
Sierra Star

African Palace
Indio

Swiss Casino
Casino Las Vegas
50 Stars Casino
Casino King
Magic Box

Vegas Red
Casino Tropez
Casino Del Rio
Europa Casino
Hammers

Grand Banks
Sterling House
Black Widow

Joyland
Monaco Gold
Carnival
Club Dice
Prestige
Playgate
Diamond Club
USA New York

Grand Banks
Black Widow
Sterling House

[nektar4d]

Dear Caruso,

In your list, you mention the group "Grand Banks-Sterling House-Black Widow" twice. Is it a typo mistake or its done on purpose just because this is the most dangerous group?
(I also ask this because I would like this list to be visible to all new visitors!)

[caruso]

It must have been a kind of "Freudian" slip.

Giant Vegas
Royal Dice
Sierra Star

African Palace
Indio

Swiss Casino
Casino Las Vegas
50 Stars Casino
Casino King
Magic Box

Vegas Red
Casino Tropez
Casino Del Rio
Europa Casino
Hammers

Grand Banks
Sterling House
Black Widow

Joyland
Monaco Gold
Carnival
Club Dice
Prestige
Playgate
Diamond Club
USA New York

[paul02085]

Black Widow deserves special recognition such as Triple Nightmare status.

The do not have to resort to the underhanded shennanigans of the rest of the Nightmare List. They do not have to make up all sorts of reasons for delaying payments to their players nor do they have to invoke the obscure "if you win we will steal your winnings for any reason we care to" clause famous among the rest of the list.

No, they do not resort to these nefarious activities.

They simply tell you up front that you are basically scum if you won with a bonus and they will maybe pay you in 6month to a year or more if they feel like it. And if you complain they love it because the publicity generates new victims, (i mean players), to them.

Definitely the creme-de-la-creme of the Nightmare List.

[nektar4d]

Should be added to the list?
(just asking after reading many negative posts but I dont know the current situation)