Giantvegas wont pay $4879 in winnings

[kreome]

I played at giantvegas during June 2005, I deposited 200 and got 200 signup bonus, I played roulette and Tri card and won $4879. they refuse to pay saying I was not allowed to play roulette, the only problem is that it was not mention in the terms of the casino and I have a screenshot of the old terms.

Also in their new terms roulette is allowed to play but doesn't count thru the wagering

Why to pay a winner of 4879 if u can just not pay and get along with it, it seems this casino doesn't care about his reputation at all since he has no reputation.

Here are the terms in brief which u can see clearly that roulette is allowed to play but doesn't count thru the wagering. I checked both the terms of the bonus and the terms of use where sometimes they hide it there but nothing, roulette is not mention as a game u may not play only the fact it doesn't count thru the wagering.

It says on the terms this sentence

bet placeed on roulette,blackjack baccarat,Craps,Jack or better,Blackjack,Video poker and Sci bo Don't count toward the wagering requirements.


As I mention sometime in the terms of use they hide a term that if u play these games they reserve the right not to pay like in other playtech like Vegasred group and carnival BUT NOT AT ROYALDICE AND GIANTVEGAS and I have a screenshot with a date of everything to support my side

I thought a casino business is that u take the player money once he lose and pay once he wins and follow the bonus terms, well in Giantvegas it works only one way on big winners from their bonuses.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Their affiliate manager posts over at Winnersonline and has offered to help players if they have a problem so you should try him.

His email address is jon-jon@betrev.com

 

[kreome]

Thank you for the information I sent 3 emails with all the infomation to but no reply

I will try again before I am going to publish it at the winneronline.com

Is the casinomeister in vocation because I get no reply to my pitch a bitch

 

[buck]

Giant

This is a RTG and your need to go through Montana. This casino was linked with Kiss that went out of business.
You are of legal age?

Buck

 

[Macgyver]

Thank you for the information I sent 3 emails with all the infomation to but no reply

I will try again before I am going to publish it at the winneronline.com

Is the casinomeister in vocation because I get no reply to my pitch a bitch

He's in Nice for a conference until next week.

Pitch a bitch Heads up

 

[jetset]

It's no longer RTG - the owner John Goodman switched to Playtech and the last I heard he was threatening to take RTG to court on a civil dispute over his tenure with them.

PS Unfortunately that means that your chances of getting a resolution via the software provider are limited - Playtech's recently introduced disputes channel was a bit of a joke, simply waving complainants back to the casino where the dispute started!

 

[Simmo!]

Is the casinomeister in vocation because I get no reply to my pitch a bitch

He is away this week and will be back at the weekend.

 

[Casinomeister]

The operator is already aware of this. So far it seems this player is associated with three players, and bet on games that were not allowed for the wagering reqiurements. More information is forthcoming. I'll keep you posted.

Their affiliate manager posts over at Winnersonline and has offered to help players if they have a problem so you should try him

Jon-jon is a member here as well.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/

 

[kreome]

It is true I played a game that is not contribute towards the wagering but it does not mean you can not play them at all.

many casinos added a term that you may not play these games and I will give an example, in this casino there was not such a term.

Also in Bellerock gaming you can wager only in slots to complete the wagering but you may play other games for your fun and the same is with jackpot factory or allslots group here are couple of examples of terms that should be and then I agree with the casino that they reserve the right not to pay

From kingneptumes casino Microgaming

If you play any of the restricted games, which subsequently results in winnings, this play will not fulfill/complete the play through conditions. These winnings may be deemed null & void and will be removed/confiscated from your account balance or withdrawals at the sole discretion of Trident Entertainment Group.




From Vegasred group of casinos(europa tropez...)



We reserve the right to withhold any amount in excess of the players original deposit from a player's withdrawal if the play bonus is wagered in any versions of Baccarat, Craps, all versions of Roulette, all versions of Sic Bo, all Video Poker games, Blackjack Switch and Blackjack Surrender



From spinpalace microgaming the palace group of casinos



If an excluded game is played before completion of the above wagering requirements, the casino reserves the right to void all play and close the account, and require the player to forfeit the deposit


It is not my business that other players make the same to win their bonus system it is obvious that in order to win you need to build a balance before you complete the wagering

 

[spearmaster]

The terms and conditions at other casinos are irrelevant. The only thing that counts is whether or not you met the terms and conditions in force at the time of your cashout at Giant Vegas.

If you can conclusively prove that the terms and conditions did NOT forbid roulette and render any cashout null and void, then you have a pretty good case, except if the casino proves that you broke some other condition, which is apparently what Casinomeister is referring to.

 

[Casinomeister]

The terms and conditions at other casinos are irrelevant. The only thing that counts is whether or not you met the terms and conditions in force at the time of your cashout at Giant Vegas.

If you can conclusively prove that the terms and conditions did NOT forbid roulette and render any cashout null and void, then you have a pretty good case, except if the casino proves that you broke some other condition, which is apparently what Casinomeister is referring to.

What Spear said is pretty much it.

This is a RTG and your need to go through Montana. This casino was linked with Kiss that went out of business.

Not quite. You should read this:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/giant-vegas-vs-rtg.10105/

 

[paul1]

What Spear said is pretty much it.


Not quite. You should read this:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/giant-vegas-vs-rtg.10105/

Anyone else see the irony in point #25 when RTG locked the CASINO out? Sorry, I couldn't help but smile a little bit upon reading that.

 

[Jon-Jon]

Oh dear...

I replied on receipt of the mail, then investigated and closed the matter 4 days later.

casinomeister has the same info, and I consider the matter closed, from my side at least.

 

[kreome]

Bryan and also Jon Jon seems to be convinced I am not deserve to get paid and I do not understand the hostility to winner from their side.

I played by the rules risked my money in the roulette and then wager the full amount in Tri card poker.

The terms never stated you can not play roulette for your fun and not for the wagering requirements and the casino never denied that , they just told me that I used their bonus and amplified it in such a way they do not like and pointed me as a bonus abuser.

I have a screenshot of the terms which state clearly that roulette does not count towards the wagering, It is almost $4500 which is 45 bills of 100 USD which the casino keep for himself I am not going to give up, I was totally stiifed by them and if you think my case is not true please tell me why.

What playtech has to say. Bryan implied that playtech has some secret stuff well, do you really believe playtech and their stories, they do not care about african palace and indio why would they care about me getting paid by this group.

That is how it works, if u win big the casino says oohh there is 4500 winner which is about 30 times the bonus we gave not to pay him is like not paying 20 times bonus winners, this should not be allowed by the industry.

 

[caruso]

I must've missed this thread.

Bryan and also Jon Jon seems to be convinced I am not deserve to get paid and I do not understand the hostility to winner from their side.

I am not surprised by "Jon-Jon"'s comment, gven the extraordinary arrogance of the "oh dear" comment above.

The terms never stated you can not play roulette for your fun and not for the wagering requirements and the casino never denied that , they just told me that I used their bonus and amplified it in such a way they do not like and pointed me as a bonus abuser.

I have a screenshot of the terms which state clearly that roulette does not count towards the wagering, It is almost $4500 which is 45 bills of 100 USD which the casino keep for himself I am not going to give up, I was totally stiifed by them and if you think my case is not true please tell me why.

If the terms say that roulette simply "does not count", then you are owed. Why is anyone disputing this? And their excuse is not that you broke the terms, but that you "used the bonus and AMPLIFIED it"??

You are clearly owed your full cashout on the basis of the information in this thread.

When Giant Vegas tried to slow-pay me a $1400 cashout until it would have been worth nothing to me other than a contribution to my funeral expenses, I had a webby friend of mine intercede (gotta keep the workload off Bryan occasionally, lol); if you get stuck on this, I will very happily put you his way, though I don't know his current relationship with them since they moved to Playtech. I'm not sure if he still carries them.

Hopefully, you'll be paid as a result of this thread, however. You are clearly owed.

 

[kreome]

I am trying to attach my screenshot but get a message that the picture length is too long, how do you reduce the side using paint for example

 

[Dirk Diggler]

So Jon-Jon, you post over at winnersonline basically claiming your casino's are trustworthy and now you are refusing to play a player who appears to have followed your terms and conditions?

Are you saying they didn't, if so what rule did they break?

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Just been posted at WOL that the player apparently could have three accounts which is the reason for the confiscation.

Can you clarify Jon-Jon?

 

[Jon-Jon]

I apologise if my oh dear comment seemed arrogant, as I am not and have never, ever been accused by an affiliate of being so

I am a consultant to betrev, and cannot post more than what I have as this matter was viewed as closed based on information that would prejudice both the player and the casinos if published, and there is no reason to go down that road. All I can say is that there are three accounts with exactly the same play, opened on the same day (along with other warning signs that they employ wrt fraud) and that is reason enough. The casino was also kind enough to refund any money and offer another free bonus. There will be no gain by the player and no change in the decision should he continue this attack, and this will be my and the casinos last communication on this matter

I do know that the casino has this as the only (according to my own research) outstanding issue since they moved over to playtech - which is good going, and they are definitely on track.

If you look at

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this will explain my bio, and should betrev or its casios not perform, then I will not put my name to them and remove them as current clients - this is not the case, but you can be assured that I will not associate myself with shady operators, as I have been exposed to that before - this is your peace of mind.

I really hope that this is ok an explanation, and please feel free to pm or mail me directly should you require anything else - I will be glad to help...

All the best

 

[jetset]

I realise that this site is still a work in progress, Jon-Jon but you need to get Spell Check going asap!

 

[Jon-Jon]

aieeeee - where? I went through it and was sure I sorted out the problems, but will do so again...thanks for the heasdup!!!

late nights and in the need of specs now..

cheers!

edit --> found it - like a dog with mangement - should have been mangement, eh!

 

[Casinomeister]

...Hopefully, you'll be paid as a result of this thread, however. You are clearly owed.

But not if the player has more than one account.

So Jon-Jon, you post over at winnersonline basically claiming your casino's are trustworthy and now you are refusing to play a player who appears to have followed your terms and conditions?

If a player has more than one account, the terms and conditions have been broken.

I'm requesting further information. I hope kreome read carefully my terms and conditions of the "Pitch a Bitch" section: WARNING: FRAUDULENT CLAIMS WILL BE FULLY INVESTIGATED. YOU WILL BE BILLED 500 FOR THE EFFORT AND TIME SPENT! If this is a matter of a fraudulent claim, it's going to be a crappy Christmas for kreome. Kreome is in Germany and so are my lawyers - it will be no problem for me to collect.

Just a heads up.

 

[scrollock]

. All I can say is that there are three accounts with exactly the same play, opened on the same day (along with other warning signs that they employ wrt fraud) and that is reason enough. The casino was also kind enough to refund any money and offer another free bonus.

Hmm, thats sounds very much like the excuse golden palace used some time back to try and screw a load of players, i.e. accounts opened in the same time frame, similar styles of play.

the similar styles of play were simply "sticky bonus tactics", only problem was that this "fraud" gang was a worldwide conspiracy and its members were spread from the UK,germany and australia.

(along with other warning signs that they employ wrt fraud) and that is reason enough

this sounds like the casino is guessing there is fraud going on using circumstantial evidence, rather than having actual evidence or proof.

if there really is fraud going on, why are you giving him another bonus, if he is a fraudster, you lock him out and tell him never to come back!

if this guy is a fraudster, then hes not a good one, hes played an excluded game (allowed, although does not to WR), there is an advantage to playing these games even though they dont count to the WR (which is why some casinos will void any winnings if they are played at all).

so if he astute to know this and the advantage entailed in doing this, i find it unlikely that he would chose to use roulette when BJ was available under the same conditions, with a fraction of the house edge of roullette

 

[Dirk Diggler]

There's another player just turned up over at WOL claiming they are confiscating over $7000 off of them. They say they have PAB here.

Seems that they've played in a similar way to kreome.

 

[kreome]

I see now in the winneronline.com and I also see you gave Jon Jon email, I think Jon Jon will respond the same that the player did not understand well the terms and condition and that he interprate different the phrase does not count towards the wagering.

It is probably one of the players Bryan talked about here in this thread that also pitched a bitch