So the reach is pretty wide - but even so, not all of the screwed over players will know of this effort.
I'll bet there are plenty of people who have quit online gambling because of the Virtual Casino group - so they'll probably never be aware of this effort to pay players.
Let's not forget that paying players is a basic function of a casino. If a casino has to boast that they pay their players, well it's like a restaurant boasting that they are serving food, or a shoe store announcing that they now have shoes.
My feelings exactly, and yes Aussie, I got that you were trying to say it as well, but wasn't able to reply.
That's just wonderful that the people who read this forum, or other forums, and are aware of the lastest "new leaf' campaign are getting paid. But I daresay it's merely a drop in the bucket when compared to the true number of players screwed over by Virtual in the last decade or more. What about the players who've never posted on a forum in their lives? Or the ones who maybe even PAB'd here years ago, but gave up? Or the ones who came here, made a post re: Virtual, never to return? Or the ones like MommyMachine who would rather stick hot needles in their eyes, than deal with these crooks/thugs again? Really people, you should read her posts again...does anyone really need anymore evidence, or another reason to have NOTHING to do with these people?
Their notoriety for short-term thinking has left me pondering over why the heck are they paying out hundreds of thousands of dollars paying ripped-off customers and where the tally will increase by the day. If they are resorting to old tricks and falsely clearing their name they are playing a dangerous game as they will have to rip-off an enormous number of players just to break even as most players will tread very warily with them.
Hmm, should I deposit $20 at these casinos to try them out?
It's called an ad campaign Chuchu, just like all the other ad campaigns over the last ten or twelve years. Marty is just the latest puppet in a long line of puppets. Crime really does pay, and I daresay they will make alot more money once they resort to their old ways, than they ever would flying straight. But to be successful, they have to sucker in some new and old players, and most importantly...get some of the bigger affiliates back on board with them. This is the most effective way to do it.
Your last comment speaks for itself. If you are serious, I would imagine there are many others who have already done that exact same thing ie. deposited. It's a domino effect. You get a few people posting how they have "recovered" previously denied winnings. Next thing you know previous players say "hey, let's give it a shot, just to see what happens". Then when that small experiment works out okay, you get some newbies who were previously smart enough to heed the advice given out here....decide that the 500% no max cashout bonus is just too good to resist.
And then of course, their main objective....get the affies to throw up some banners in prominent positions on their sites, and sucker in some new sheep to be sheared. That's already happening, as I've seen one post at the GPWA, by an affiliate who said that Gambling Wages/Virtual had contacted him, asking him to take them on board his site. He's seriously considering it...which of course is exactly what this is all about.
Christ, they even approached Webz in (I think) London asking him the same thing. He told them to go get stuffed...albeit in a much more professional manner I'd guess. Good for him. Matter of fact, thank God for people like CM, Webz, AussieDave, Robwin....affiliates who see this for what it really is. A big, fat con job.
It would really be a great pity to subsequently find that players encouraged by this manoeuvre handed over their cash and were given the traditional treatment.
Which is EXACTLY what will happen. I would bet everything I own on it, because it is precisely what has happened half a dozen times before. I'd like to know why anyone would think that this time is any different. Have the owners of Virtual changed? Has someone with a reputation for running a casino above board, suddenly bought out the biggest nest of crooks on the internet? Unless something has gone on that none of us know about, then it will be business as usual, eventually. Could be a week, a month, or six months. But it WILL happen.
I seriously doubt that the owners of Virtual have suddenly had a come to Jesus moment, and decided to live their lives and conduct their business, in an ethical manner. I strongly suspect that all of the recent negative publicity was finally starting to take a toll on their bottom line, and the way to counteract that, was to once again pull out Plan B. And the best way to do this was to find someone to spearhead the latest campaign, who had a stellar reputation in the industry ie. Marty Davis.
Once again what is important are continued efforts to resolve player issues and to note that so far resolved issue were old issue 3 to 4 years old. Recent issues that do not revolve around slow pay issues have not come up.
Please read the above, and Bryan's and AussieDave's posts, and answer us how you intend to look after the players who have no knowledge of forums, nor this latest ad campaign? Players who were screwed over 5 years ago or more, for maybe $100 or $500...and just decided that it wasn't worth it and gave up trying to recover stolen funds? What about those poor saps? How are you going to make sure they are taken care of?
And Marty, I gotta say it. I am sure your intentions are the best, and I have heard nothing but good re: your rep...so I can only assume that you personally mean what you say. But unless you have bought out Virtual, what are you going to do when you are given the order to start delaying payments again? And handing out the excuses like presents at Christmas? When your boss tells you...stop making timely payments, string people along...what's going to happen then?
I am afraid I would much rather be a whore on the streetcorner than ever work for this outfit. Much more honesty, and any screwing that gets done is agreed upon by both parties. I fear you have sold your soul to the devil, and maybe you don't even know it. If you really are a decent man, as everyone says...I hope you will be able to walk away from this when you need to...and still have a decent reputation.
Too bad he's not working somewhere I'd actually play. Marty, if you ever move on to iNetBet or Clubworld....
