Major Absolute Poker Issue

[happygobrokey]

It looks like BW has delisted AP and UB. I'm trying to find out for sure.

absolute, you're on the D-list, hear that?

 

[SlotsWizard]

What's BW and UB? AP is Absolute poker right?

BW = Bonus Whores
UB = UltimateBet, AP (Absolute Poker)'s sister site

 

[ThodorisK]

I have also posted this at 2+2 at my thread:

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I disagree that it is independent hackers (not working for the casinos) who see the hole cards of others. Because most of my losses happened because they were getting very lucky when I had a strong hand. And not so much because they were folding when I had a strong hand.

Besides, if it was the case of independent hackers, the casinos would make the best of their efforts to watch all games and freeze quickly the accounts of all suspects i.e. strange winners. It would be of their interest to do so. Therefore it would rarely happen to be cheated by hackers. All players are hackers? Very rare bad luck keeps happening all the time, against all opponents. Strong hands keep costing you money, whereas the opposite should happen in the long run (as when played by an average player, they have an expected value much higher that the max 5% of the rake). This could only happen if the casino FORCES a BALANCE of the amounts that players win and lose between them, so that in the long run all the money goes to the rake. Because it is the conservative players who play only strong hands, that have an edge over the rest of the players. Because if this was not the case, and instead all players were betting and folding with the same preflop and flop hands, then this BALANCE would happen anyway (no matter how great poker player you are, if the other players are folding the same preflop and flop cards you fold too, you cannot have an edge over them greater than the 5% rake), therefore in the long run all the money of all players would anyway go to the rake, therefore the casinos would have no reason to cheat, and we would not observe the phenomenon that strong hands get very rare bad luck all the time.

Perhaps sometimes they use the more quick method of a player whos money is the casinos, who keeps winning. This player could be either an employee or a computer bot. But the method of the enforced BALANCE is more difficult to be statistically identified as cheating.

 

[pokeraddict]

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Scroll about halfway down to N 82 50 24's post # #12520697. This almost certainly proves either AP or an AP employee was involved.

 

[jinnia]

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Scroll about halfway down to N 82 50 24's post # #12520697. This almost certainly proves either AP or an AP employee was involved.

The domain name that poster mentions, rivieraltd.com , the information on it shows this..

Domain Name Whois: just as he posted....
Registrant:
Domain Discreet
ATTN: rivieraltd.com
P.O. Box 278
Yarmouth, NS B5A 4B2
CA
Email: 8c2ac61d0a1e672900c05a4e8f95087c@domaindiscreet.com


Now look at the IP Location Details::

Mohawk Internet Technologies MIT-BLK-01 (NET-66-212-224-0-1)
66.212.224.0 - 66.212.255.255
Absolute Entertainment S.A. MIT-ABPOK-02 (NET-66-212-244-128-1)
66.212.244.128 - 66.212.244.255

Still doubt in anyones mind who's behind this?

 

[lojo]

It looks like BW has delisted AP and UB. I'm trying to find out for sure.

And?

I'm down with lotso here, just because... show me, condemn absolutely. It's fine to rogue for the reasons rogued. But don't besmirch. CONDEMN if and affect the change.

 

[pokeraddict]

And?

I'm down with lotso here, just because... show me, condemn absolutely. It's fine to rogue for the reasons rogued. But don't besmirch. CONDEMN if and affect the change.

I don't understand your post at all. You don't feel that news on this topic should be reported?

Anyway BW has officially blacklisted AP now and it has also come out after analyzing Greycat's hands in that MTT he was blinded out. Someone paid $1000 and never showed up or what seems more likely to me someone entered the MTT twice in case Potripper got busted on an allin suckout. Greycat is one of the other cheat accounts that has already been exposed.

 

[peteyweestro]

so where is lotso now that it's pretty obviouse that they are involved

 

[lojo]

I don't understand your post at all. You don't feel that news on this topic should be reported?

Anyway BW has officially blacklisted AP now and it has also come out after analyzing Greycat's hands in that MTT he was blinded out. Someone paid $1000 and never showed up or what seems more likely to me someone entered the MTT twice in case Potripper got busted on an allin suckout. Greycat is one of the other cheat accounts that has already been exposed.

Condemn if you must. It was a crime if it occurred. Shut them down if you have it, or hold your peace.

Sorry if I was unclear.

 

[ThodorisK]

Looool, they locked my thread ta 2+2, it wasnt too long, and started it just yesterday. Obviously they dont want new posts in it so it appears in the first page of the threads list.

Hey, pokeraddict, the last link you gave kept opening new windows in my pc. Is that called spam?

Strange things happening.

 

[ThodorisK]

Loool, Absolute Poker had sent me an advertising e-mail. It seems they got anxious. How did they find my e-mail anyway? I have never played in any of their casinos i think.

 

[ThodorisK]

has sent me. Not had sent me.

Sorry for this correction-post, but you have disallowd me to edit my posts.

 

[Adanthar]

Looool, they locked my thread ta 2+2, it wasnt too long, and started it just yesterday. Obviously they dont want new posts in it so it appears in the first page of the threads list.

Hey, pokeraddict, the last link you gave kept opening new windows in my pc. Is that called spam?

Strange things happening.

I locked your thread because it was worthless conspiracy theory drivel taking attention away from the actual problem.

For any more questions, please stop hijacking this thread and PM me.

 

[Pinababy69]

He can't PM you Adanthar, because he has negative reputation, which limits what he's allowed to do here. He can't PM, nor search, etc.

Thodorisk, he is right. And the whole reason you are at the stage you are on this forum is because you started that thread "All Pokerrooms are Rigged" or something similar, and continued on with it even after numerous posters here gave reasons why your theories were flawed.

This is one of the biggest and most important stories concerning online gaming, not just poker. Why don't you drag up your old thread if you want to discuss your theories about online poker in general, or conspiracies? This one should be kept on track, it's hard enough to follow as it is.

 

[ThodorisK]

By calling it conspiracy theory you are implying that the probability that most pokerooms do not cheat, is almost 100%.

Your reply verifies my arguments that you forum owners are anxious to defend the reputation of online casinos and try to cover up dangerous posts and shout the mouth of those who want to expose the truth.

What "it was found" happening at Absolute is what keeps happening in all pokerooms. If it wasnt, I would play poker now instead of writing in the forums. This focusing on absolute alone implies there is no cheating elsewhere.

You will not stop the uncovering of the truth so easily. Ban me from both casinomeister and 2+2. It is a piece of cake for me to appear on greek television and be the No1 famous in Greece. The only thing I have to do is give a photocopy of my book to about 20 journalists, scientists, stc. This book reveals the reason of ageing and how to defeat it. Also, it has solved almost all the questions of physics. And I will not forget to mention the cheating of online casinos and your role in it. I have chosen not to become famous so far, for many reasons, but I think I will decide to do so sooner or later as I feel the duty to reveal my knowledge. You know where I live. I am not scared about my life because I trust God will save me. Why? Because last time my life was in danger, I shouted with all my strength and the 5.9 richter earthquake of 1999 in Athens happened.

The cheating of the casinos has really pissed me of. 5% rake should be enough for them. But no, they had to take every last penny of poor people. Some of them commited suicide. You think I will let you get away with this?
You think you have power hah? So did Hitler had power. Look at how the Law of Justice reversed the situation. God reveled the secret of the atomic bomb to the Americans. Actually, it was again the Law of Justice that gave Hitler and Germany the power they got, in the first place. He was imprisoned and kept taking orders. Germany had suffered a lot of injustice because by the other nations before the war.

The power of a nuclear bomb is a speck compared to the power of a saint. No, I am not a saint yet, but I know the way to become one.

You think I am nuts? Why should I care you think so? I wouldnt be affected even if the whole world says I am nuts. Your wise "principle of majority" crusified Christ.

So far you stubburn people, I have had enough with you. I dont care if I never post again in your forums.

 

[Casinomeister]

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By calling it conspiracy theory you are implying that the probability that most pokerooms do not cheat, is almost 100%.

Your reply verifies my arguments that you forum owners are anxious to defend the reputation of online casinos and try to cover up dangerous posts and shout the mouth of those who want to expose the truth.

What "it was found" happening at Absolute is what keeps happening in all pokerooms. If it wasnt, I would play poker now instead of writing in the forums. This focusing on absolute alone implies there is no cheating elsewhere.

You will not stop the uncovering of the truth so easily. Ban me from both casinomeister and 2+2. It is a piece of cake for me to appear on greek television and be the No1 famous in Greece. The only thing I have to do is give a photocopy of my book to about 20 journalists, scientists, stc. This book reveals the reason of ageing and how to defeat it. Also, it has solved almost all the questions of physics. And I will not forget to mention the cheating of online casinos and your role in it. I have chosen not to become famous so far, for many reasons, but I think I will decide to do so sooner or later as I feel the duty to reveal my knowledge. You know where I live. I am not scared about my life because I trust God will save me. Why? Because last time my life was in danger, I shouted with all my strength and the 5.9 richter earthquake of 1999 in Athens happened.

The cheating of the casinos has really pissed me of. 5% rake should be enough for them. But no, they had to take every last penny of poor people. Some of them commited suicide. You think I will let you get away with this?
You think you have power hah? So did Hitler had power. Look at how the Law of Justice reversed the situation. God reveled the secret of the atomic bomb to the Americans. Actually, it was again the Law of Justice that gave Hitler and Germany the power they got, in the first place. He was imprisoned and kept taking orders. Germany had suffered a lot of injustice because by the other nations before the war.

The power of a nuclear bomb is a speck compared to the power of a saint. No, I am not a saint yet, but I know the way to become one.

You think I am nuts? Why should I care you think so? I wouldnt be affected even if the whole world says I am nuts. Your wise "principle of majority" crusified Christ.

So far you stubburn people, I have had enough with you. I dont care if I never post again in your forums.

Hey dude. Put the bong down for a few minutes and listen carefully:

I have been very tolerant towards you and your failure to follow basic form rules. Number 1 - don't derail threads, and this one of your methods of operation. You have your own thread, and you have a lot of room to deal with your issues. The only people who are "silencing" you here are your fellow members - not the forum "owner" (me). You keep getting negative reps because your fellow members are tired of hearing your shit.

And yes, when you become "less than zero" you lose privileges like PMing, searching, and starting new threads. You can join in posting - that's about it.

I have no reason to ban you form this forum since dissenting opinions are welcome here. But if you if you fail to behave according to the posted rules of this forum, then you will be asked to leave. Last warning.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/

 

[fatshaft]

so where is lotso now that it's pretty obviouse that they are involved

We've got to assume that even he now has his proof?:notworthy

 

[tennis_balls]

i've not followed this thread the whole way so I'm not sure if this has been addressed:

it's just the AP software being questioned here and not the UB platform, correct?

I understand why people would steer clear of UB as a result of this, I just wanted that cleared up for my own sanity (no digs from the peanut gallery please) as I believe UB and Full Tilt use the same platform.

 

[lots0]

so where is lotso now that it's pretty obviouse that they are involved

Sorry but as great as CasinoMeister is, I don't live here.

I am still waiting to see some evidence.

So I guess the person that has the original Email headers refuses to release them to the public... Whats up with that?

But he will give the email headers to his forum buddies... Again, what is up with that?

No one wants to present the source material for all these accusations, why is that?

I just don't understand why releasing ANY of this source information is such a problem.

All I saw was an IP address that resolved to a AP mail server, that someone posted on the forum... Doesn't mean a damn thing.

You know, I can get the IP address for one of the White House email servers... Does that mean I am involved with G.W. Bush... I don't think so...

I just want some proof I can see with my own eyes and not have someone else (that I don't know) tell me about it , what is so difficult about that?

 

[lots0]

We've got to assume...

This is the entire problem... you guys just keep assuming... You see No proof .... You just assume the people telling you AP is cheating are telling the truth.

You assume they have the proof.

You assume AP is cheating... without seeing any of the evidence yourself.

You just keep assuming... That is your choice.

My choice is to see the evidence myself before I condemn.

 

[Zoozie]

My choice is to see the evidence myself before I
condemn.

For a start you could try to open your eyes.

1 out maybe 100.000 poker players would not be convinced by just reading the hand history from the 1000$ turn let alone the
many cash games hands.

Also there is probably also 1 in 100.000 people that believe they have been probed by aliens or they can walk on water etc.

But can the hand history be trusted?Is a big hoax? Are some posters faking evidence? That would be a better path to take instead
of claiming the hand history shows nothing.


Zoozie

 

[pokeraddict]

Here are the email headers from the spreadsheet email given to me:

X-Apparently-To: XXXXXXXX@yahoo.com via 69.147.75.80; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:40:59 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [216.94.0.217]
Return-Path: <techsupport@absolutepoker.com>
Authentication-Results: mta199.mail.re2.yahoo.com from=absolutepoker.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 216.94.0.217 (HELO mail.absolutepoker.com) (216.94.0.217) by mta199.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:40:56 -0700
Received: (qmail 77857 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2007 02:40:30 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO ems00805) (212.62.22.88) by 0 with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 02:40:30 -0000
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:39:57 -0400
From: techsupport@absolutepoker.com Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: RE:Re: $1k tournament on Wednesday Sep. 12th [#7825264]
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com
Message-ID: <eGain@9639Fri21Sep200722.39.57>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======++++++++++92rnaa9wknf9wt3===+++++"
Content-Length: 13169114

 

[GaryWatson]

This is the entire problem... you guys just keep assuming... You see No proof .... You just assume the people telling you AP is cheating are telling the truth.

You assume they have the proof.

You assume AP is cheating... without seeing any of the evidence yourself.

You just keep assuming... That is your choice.

My choice is to see the evidence myself before I condemn.

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I was wondering why you were so adament.

Best to quit contesting, it just makes AP look worse (if possible)

It's real money people are dealing with and this should be seen as a serious matter.

There has been a breach in trust. That is conclusive.

 

[lojo]

Why not a voice of dissent and call for absolute proof. Lots0 never denied affiliation, freely admitted it, and gave examples of rogues s/he has kicked to the curb. I imagine when lots0 is satisfied, you will not see a louder voice condemning AP.

 

[GaryWatson]

Why not a voice of dissent and call for absolute proof. Lots0 never denied affiliation, freely admitted it, and gave examples of rogues s/he has kicked to the curb. I imagine when lots0 is satisfied, you will not see a louder voice condemning AP.

AP have accidently forwarded proof (beyond reasonable doubt). What more proof is needed? The stats are clear enough, from several different sources. If AP have a case, it is them to come forward & reverse the guilty verdict.

This has damaged the entire industry & AP have let down anyone who has ever sent a player to the site. Their usual ignorance is "bliss stance" no longer washes