Immortal Romance slots suddenly turns very cold for me, anyone notice that?

[zap987]

Flawed yes, but TSI is a 9 line slot thus making it a lot harder to hit 5 wilds/scatters etc and yet there are still more screenshots of this hit compared to TSII, the odds of hitting 5 scatters on Mermaids Millions is Once in: 150,440 spins...... my most recent 5 scatters ........

The odds of hitting 5 wilds on MM are just over 1.2 million to one, my only 5 wilds hit.......

These odds are not guessed but are actual odds worked out on the reel layouts, source:-

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These are obviously a lot harder to hit than their counterparts on 243 winning combo slots, hence the returns they yield.

Fact:- I have played TSII more than any other slot out there and need just two achievements in no less than seven casinos, so the $64,000 question once again, why are 5 scatters/wilds so goddam hard to hit on these slots?, and imho do not reflect the true odds of hitting them at all.

The number of lines changes nothing for the chance of hitting scatters. Most likely the chance to hit 5 scatters on on Immortal Romance is somewhat similar to the chance on other slots and somewhere over 1 in 100,000. The chance to hit 5 wilds will be something similar unless amount of wilds are a lot different from amount of scatters on the reels. Just for comparison, if Mermaids Millions was a 243 line slot the chance to hit 5 wilds would still be 1 in 75,220

 

[Seventh777]

The chances are worse for 5 wilds, but surely the stops on each reel and the number of those which are scatters decides the odds rather than number of lines?

Scatters are obviously the same no matter how many winning lines, but the winning lines available figure heavily on the chances of hitting 5 wilds.

 

[Seventh777]

The number of lines changes nothing for the chance of hitting scatters. Most likely the chance to hit 5 scatters on on Immortal Romance is somewhat similar to the chance on other slots and somewhere over 1 in 100,000. The chance to hit 5 wilds will be something similar unless amount of wilds are a lot different from amount of scatters on the reels. Just for comparison, if Mermaids Millions was a 243 line slot the chance to hit 5 wilds would still be 1 in 75,220

Yep, I know the win lines bears no significance to scatters, my whole point here is there is only 1 scatter per reel on MM whereas TSII has at least 3 on the last reel giving an absolute minimum of 729 different combinations of hitting them, now for arguments sake let`s say TSII has 50 million different combinations that is still a 69156 to one chance of hitting them, I can safely say that in the hey days soon after release for TSII I was hitting this target easily per week over at GoWild with the several TSII promos on offer, probably a whole heap more, and not forgetting i`ve stuck by this slot solidly for the best part of 20 months now at 7-10 casinos.

 

[zap987]

Yep, I know the win lines bears no significance to scatters, my whole point here is there is only 1 scatter per reel on MM whereas TSII has at least 3 on the last reel giving an absolute minimum of 729 different combinations of hitting them, now for arguments sake let`s say TSII has 50 million different combinations that is still a 69156 to one chance of hitting them, I can safely say that in the hey days soon after release for TSII I was hitting this target easily per week over at GoWild with the several TSII promos on offer, probably a whole heap more, and not forgetting i`ve stuck by this slot solidly for the best part of 20 months now at 7-10 casinos.

Most likely the last reel is just really long, at least in my experience I hit a scatter on reel 1 a lot more often than other reels, so even if the last reel has 3 scatters there could be a smaller chance for one of those to hit. Just speculation at this point anyway until someone bothers mapping the reels, but I find it a lot more likely you were just unlucky compared to MG cheating in some way. It does take a pretty insane amount of samples to figure out if a 1/100,000 chance happens as often as it is supposed to.

 

[plasticnote]

Also possible the reel is weighted.

This is not new for MG.

I have no proof, so just my feel on IR.

 

[Seventh777]

Most likely the last reel is just really long, at least in my experience I hit a scatter on reel 1 a lot more often than other reels, so even if the last reel has 3 scatters there could be a smaller chance for one of those to hit. Just speculation at this point anyway until someone bothers mapping the reels, but I find it a lot more likely you were just unlucky compared to MG cheating in some way. It does take a pretty insane amount of samples to figure out if a 1/100,000 chance happens as often as it is supposed to.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one, that the slot I by far play the most on is still the only slot I have yet to hit 5 scatters on, even though (reflected by the return to bet size ratio) a lot of the others are harder to hit.

 

[Nifty29]

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one, that the slot I by far play the most on is still the only slot I have yet to hit 5 scatters on, even though (reflected by the return to bet size ratio) a lot of the others are harder to hit.

A couple of thoughts.

1. I'm not sure that opinions are relevant when it comes to mathematics. Even if an event has odds of 75000-1 it doesn't mean it will definitely happen in 75000 spins. It might not happen at all, or it might happen 3 times. It might take 220000 spins to hit....and you might hit it twice more in the next 5000 spins, in which case that would be 3 times in 225000 spins which is an average of 1 in 75000 spins I.e. absolutely normal. I know nobody likes to hear it, but it may well be that you have been unlucky.....just as someone was probably very lucky and hit it in the first session they played. The payoff for a combination doesn't always equate to the chances of hitting it....it mostly does but not always. Sometimes some payoffs are reduced and others increased compared to actual chances of hitting, to make the slot more attractive etc.

2. It could be possible that this combo is deliberately made tougher to get due to the whole gold paytable thing. Considering some casinos are giving $1000 for the achievement, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Seventh777]

A couple of thoughts.

1. I'm not sure that opinions are relevant when it comes to mathematics. Even if an event has odds of 75000-1 it doesn't mean it will definitely happen in 75000 spins. It might not happen at all, or it might happen 3 times. It might take 220000 spins to hit....and you might hit it twice more in the next 5000 spins, in which case that would be 3 times in 225000 spins which is an average of 1 in 75000 spins I.e. absolutely normal. I know nobody likes to hear it, but it may well be that you have been unlucky.....just as someone was probably very lucky and hit it in the first session they played. The payoff for a combination doesn't always equate to the chances of hitting it....it mostly does but not always. Sometimes some payoffs are reduced and others increased compared to actual chances of hitting, to make the slot more attractive etc.

2. It could be possible that this combo is deliberately made tougher to get due to the whole gold paytable thing. Considering some casinos are giving $1000 for the achievement, it wouldn't surprise me.

I know exactly what you are saying regarding the maths, is it just me that has been unlucky with the 5 scatters?, I regularly browse the screenies section and the only 5 scatters on TSII I can recall were by Pianoman quite recently, on the other hand there are at least two screenies from IR for the same hit, which TSII has a 19 month head start on.

In regards to number 2 I think you are very near the answer here, I know I keep relating to other slots, but, BDBA pays x 833 bet for x5wilds/sapphires, TSII pays x 200 bet for 5 scatters, I have hit the BDBA soft jackpot 21 times at 10-11 casinos, but never once have I hit 5 scatters on TSII.

 

[KasinoKing]

Also possible the reel is weighted.
This is not new for MG.
I have no proof, so just my feel on IR.

From all previous research I am aware of, the only "weighing" on this type of video slot is achieved by having longer reel strips on some reels than on others.
It seems unlikely that MG would change this method of design, because there is simply no need to.
I also have no proof!
(For Immortal Romance)

KK

 

[Tengil]

I actually realise I put an extra zero in there I.e. should read 50k.

Regardless, you say if its random you cannot achieve an 80% RTP? Its very unlikely i grant you, but it is not impossible.

Saying it is impossible is saying it isn't random....true randomness can produce all kinds of whacky results. You can't have it both ways.

If there are 5 million.combinations on a slot, having an 80% RTP after 500k spins (10% max of possible combinations) is certainly possible.

It would be over 10 standard deviations from mean so "impossible" if the game is random. That would mean that the software is rigged/non-random.

Also possible the reel is weighted.

This is not new for MG.

I have no proof, so just my feel on IR.

The whole slöt is "weighted".

 

[Nifty29]

It would be over 10 standard deviations from mean so "impossible" if the game is random. That would mean that the software is rigged/non-random.




The whole slöt is "weighted".

If an event is random, anything is possible.

Likely...well that's another matter, but we aren't talking about likely.

It is possible to flip a coin 50 times and get heads every time. In fact, even 500 times.

You can talk about deviations and probabilities, but we are talking about possible. I didn't say anything about anything else.

 

[plasticnote]

I have played both TS2 and IR since they came out, the trigger chance of free spins is just not-feel-right.
No Proof.

 

[Rusty]

There is definitely unnatural weighting regarding the feature trigger chance IMO. That seems pretty obvious when you have played only a few thousand spins even. It just seems you get 2 scatters without triggering the feature a disproportionate number of times.

Earlier I played it on min bet and raced through $60 without a trigger and hit the random bonus for 15c and during all that time I had 2 scatters (various combos and I think the reel strip lengths are not massively different though the 1st and 3rd reel seems shorter) at least 30 times.
Also you can hit the scatter on the 1st reel many consecutive spins and other times it wont appear for long periods.

All that said when I did hit the free spins I got my first decent win off this slot with a nice red lady combo paying $90+ so over 300xbet.

Like I say the return is probably in line with other slots and fair in that context but like all online slots the variance does not seem natural and weighting seems to exist.

BTW.
I always point out that 3 reel slots are known to be weighted for a fact so I'm not sure why people have such trouble with the concept of weighted 5 reel slots.

 

[shahran84]

Wow, you all have gone to mathematical calculations, but i thought the topic here is whether Immortal Romance has turns cold,
so does it still turns cold these few days? I just played ONLY Immortal Romance slot yesterday, deposit $50 and cashout $1200.
How about others ?

 

[plasticnote]

Wow, you all have gone to mathematical calculations, but i thought the topic here is whether Immortal Romance has turns cold,
so does it still turns cold these few days? I just played ONLY Immortal Romance slot yesterday, deposit $50 and cashout $1200.
How about others ?

Good on you and hope you keep winning...
For me it is still cold like ice.

My bet size is $3 or $6. And I got lucky today, deposited $550 and with bonus it is $700, see the bonus twice and no wild vine feature at all.

One bonus paid 120 and another paid 75... no math

Cheers

 

[slotmaster]

Had a big free spin win last week, was only low rolling but if I was playing max I would have won $ 4,500 Than could not hit crap on it and was started to get bored of the slot until today where I played over 3 hours just on this slot, hit enough free spins to get me to that wild vine one where I hit crap, but at least I am on that one.

I noticed though if you play more than 1 coin per line the paytable is the same, I hit 4 scatters which shows 1200 on the paytable, I was playing 2 coins (.60 spin) and I hit the 4 scatters and it still only paid 1200.

 

[Seventh777]

Had a big free spin win last week, was only low rolling but if I was playing max I would have won $ 4,500 Than could not hit crap on it and was started to get bored of the slot until today where I played over 3 hours just on this slot, hit enough free spins to get me to that wild vine one where I hit crap, but at least I am on that one.

I noticed though if you play more than 1 coin per line the paytable is the same, I hit 4 scatters which shows 1200 on the paytable, I was playing 2 coins (.60 spin) and I hit the 4 scatters and it still only paid 1200.

The pay table adjusts to your bet size x4 scatters pays 600 per .30p bet .

 

[slotmaster]

The pay table adjusts to your bet size x4 scatters pays 600 per .30p bet .

oh wow, this is the 1st paytable I have seen do that, do any other slots do this? Mind you I don't check the paytable at all while I am playing
just before I start playing a new slot really.

 

[KasinoKing]

I just played another couple of 100 spins on it - and regretted it as usual.
Got a shit-storm feature (forgot what it's called!) and free-spins - but both were total PANTS again...

I really need to add this shite slot to my "don't touch with a barge pole" list...
(Along with TS2)

KK

 

[ssecca01]

I played this the other day on Nedplay on 1 coin (I find my money goes way too quickly on anything higher) and I must have gotten the wild desire feature 5 times, 3 in the first 100 spins, one which had 3 wilds and only paid me 10s. Free games was very rare like it always is for me. I just always seem to get at least 3x as much Wild desire features to the games bonus every time I play.

 

[harrys99]

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[De Beuker]

I'm not trying to spam

You failed dramatically.

Ban please.

 

[Nifty29]

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It just prevents the link being perpetuated.

 

[harrys99]

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It just prevents the link being perpetuated.

Caught myself in another thread-he posted the same thing in winner screenshots and I changed the link-didn't catch this one!

Thanks for the heads up

 

[lewisnadasurf]

Ive never played this game before, did just now, got on the free spins within about 7/8 spins

90p bet won about 3500 coins. Not too bad, doubled my deposit and walked away. Only a small win, but hey, they all counts.

First impressions of the slot though... well you can easily seem to get 3/4 in a row, but when it pays it doenst seem to cover your initial bet!!