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LOOOL .... Ok, let's take the most common one - the loyalty tier downgrade:

- a simple message like: "We have reviewed your account and in order to keep you on the top tier you need to wager XXXX / month/quarter/year and you only did XXXX. Wager another XXXX by xx.xx.xxxx and we will be happy to upgrade you back to the top tier"

Simple words which would have made a player understand the circumstances...but nothing of that sort or just closing the live chat like it happened to mina888, which is downright rude IMO

Ok, I get that you want an answer to that. I don't, and I don't think that is anything their reps needs to write in the forum, or they will have to answer every simple little question.

I have no clue why live chat would close any window for anyone, and I've never heard about them doing it before. Something must have happened because they would get slapped hard if they was that rude.

So I guess you have asked them that question and they have not been able to answer. Maybe they don't really know or have figured it out yet, but had to do the cut. I don't know.

To constantly repeat and moan about it here will not give a single answer.

I did the opposite. I sent Jonathan a nice pm and told him I didn't want anything from him :p
The others I've asked questions, got answers and no need to moan more. It won't help...and I still play there.
 
lol we like old women moaning away ha :D .I will behave now promise lol

Its not getting us any where:notworthy:notworthy I agree zip on mouth now .................:rolleyes::oops:;)

I think I opened a can of worms starting this thread sozs
 
Ok, I get that you want an answer to that. I don't, and I don't think that is anything their reps needs to write in the forum, or they will have to answer every simple little question.

I have no clue why live chat would close any window for anyone, and I've never heard about them doing it before. Something must have happened because they would get slapped hard if they was that rude.

So I guess you have asked them that question and they have not been able to answer. Maybe they don't really know or have figured it out yet, but had to do the cut. I don't know.

To constantly repeat and moan about it here will not give a single answer.

I did the opposite. I sent Jonathan a nice pm and told him I didn't want anything from him :p
The others I've asked questions, got answers and no need to moan more. It won't help...and I still play there.

We need a good women to keep us in line tirlej lol :D:notworthy
 
Boring

Whilst I agree with the general sentiment, this thread has got boring...same people saying the same old things over and over again....yawn
 
Just to clarify, I have never had any chat windows closed on me. I think someone else mentioned this in here but it wasn't me.

apologies mina, it wasn't you. you did not get an answer to your emails. it was wobble33 who had the chat closed on him:

Hi.

Its worse for me, after 10 years gaming here and in club rouge. I received a timely kick out of club rouge, no explanation off live chat, just cheekily closed live chat on me. lower level now. I still have my account open and play now and again, but now I am thinking of closing it altogether. the x30 wr on slots just kills me.
 
Ok, I get that you want an answer to that. I don't, and I don't think that is anything their reps needs to write in the forum, or they will have to answer every simple little question.

I have no clue why live chat would close any window for anyone, and I've never heard about them doing it before. Something must have happened because they would get slapped hard if they was that rude.

So I guess you have asked them that question and they have not been able to answer. Maybe they don't really know or have figured it out yet, but had to do the cut. I don't know.

To constantly repeat and moan about it here will not give a single answer.

I did the opposite. I sent Jonathan a nice pm and told him I didn't want anything from him :p
The others I've asked questions, got answers and no need to moan more. It won't help...and I still play there.

Do you deposit >150K / year?
Do you suddenly get downgraded on 3 casinos at the same time?
Do you suddenly get bonus chips requests declined even after depositing thousands?
Do you get a rubies top-up from 831 declined after losing nearly 2K in on session?
Did you write emails to the top people and never received an answer which made sense or explained things?

If you can answer yes to the above then i accept your post. I for myself reserve the right to write or moan again and again here in the forum as much as i want. That is the reason for this forum. If you don't like it then don't read my posts, simple.
 
Thing is Harry, we gave it our best shot. Many 32Red veterans voiced their displeasure about the changes, myself included. It's not going to change anything. Apart from canned responses from the Casino, you'll get nothing else. There will be no debate, compromise, reconciliation. This is annoying as the management can just wait until the fuss dies down, then the new becomes the normal.

32Red have made their decision, you have to make yours. Live with it, or move along to another business who you feel appreciates your cash more.

I still appreciate 32Red for the many things it does brilliantly. But I despise the erosion of player focused benefits, especially enforcing pending periods. I've said it ad-nauseam, but I expected better from 32Red. They set the bar so high that they have been hoisted by their own petard by removing things customers consider important.

I'm not sure I really helped there, i kinda complained myself while urging you not too lol
 
Thing is Harry, we gave it our best shot. Many 32Red veterans voiced their displeasure about the changes, myself included. It's not going to change anything. Apart from canned responses from the Casino, you'll get nothing else. There will be no debate, compromise, reconciliation. This is annoying as the management can just wait until the fuss dies down, then the new becomes the normal.

32Red have made their decision, you have to make yours. Live with it, or move along to another business who you feel appreciates your cash more.

I still appreciate 32Red for the many things it does brilliantly. But I despise the erosion of player focused benefits, especially enforcing pending periods. I've said it ad-nauseam, but I expected better from 32Red. They set the bar so high that they have been hoisted by their own petard by removing things customers consider important.

I'm not sure I really helped there, i kinda complained myself while urging you not too lol

LOOL..we just can't stop...... i know that they are ducking under the table hoping the storm will be over soon, so why should i let that storm pass so quickly :D:D:D

BTW, how this for a promo at Royal Vegas:

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And i have 3 days to claim the full amount, just have to deposit whatever i choose and every time the system adds the bonus chips instantly.

Good Luck to everyone
Harry :)
 
I for myself reserve the right to write or moan again and again here in the forum as much as i want. That is the reason for this forum. If you don't like it then don't read my posts, simple.

Well, I guess after reading that I realize we see this forum in a different way.

I had no idea that this was the reason for this forum, and I don't think it is.
I'll leave the thread for you now.
 
... I for myself reserve the right to write or moan again and again here in the forum as much as i want. That is the reason for this forum. If you don't like it then don't read my posts, simple.
Since when did you become a forum administrator? :rolleyes:

The forum is not yours to do as you please. If you have a complaint, then explain what it is and we'll try to resolve it. If it is unresolvable, then tough titty, deal with it. Sure "bitching and moaning" is acceptable, but when it becomes tiresome or is laden with agenda, you then become a forum annoyance and will be asked to knock it off.

So knock it off. We understand you don't like 32Red. Go play elsewhere then, ok?
 
Since when did you become a forum administrator? :rolleyes:

The forum is not yours to do as you please. If you have a complaint, then explain what it is and we'll try to resolve it. If it is unresolvable, then tough titty, deal with it. Sure "bitching and moaning" is acceptable, but when it becomes tiresome or is laden with agenda, you then become a forum annoyance and will be asked to knock it off.

So knock it off. We understand you don't like 32Red. Go play elsewhere then, ok?

Noted Meister

One more change at 32RED i learned about today:

Whereas in the past you could claim the Dish of the Day bonus over multiple accounts it has been changed now to the first deposit only ...... so if you want to claim the full amount you will have to deposit the max amount in one shot.... Live Support will not credit the promo chips on a second deposit should you lose the first deposit + bonus and make a second one..... this was never a problem in the past.

Doesn't say it in the casino lobby, only nicely hidden in the small print....how convenient!!!

Well, another thing chipped off!!! :mad:

Good Luck to everyone
Harry :)

P.S. FYI, i never said i don't like 32RED, quite the contrary, i stated multiple times that they were and still are my favorite online MG casino.

EDIT: Support will credit you one more time the promo chips on a second deposit if you have not been informed beforehand of this latest change. But do not start playing your deposit until the bonus chips have been credited. Otherwise, they will not be able to credit them.... another small change, which i just learned about.
 
I think your going a bit far now Harry - It's definitely the norm that any x% bonus for a deposit is just that - for "a" deposit - not spread out over multiple ones. I do realise that other place you posted you can spread it out but that's an exception to the norm.

Anyway cmon guys, I realise 32red made some (slight, imo) negative changes but at the end of the day you can get a bonus every day almost and be safe in the knowledge if you cash out a sweet amount you will be paid - that's what matters THE MOST :thumbsup:
 
I think your going a bit far now Harry - It's definitely the norm that any x% bonus for a deposit is just that - for "a" deposit - not spread out over multiple ones. I do realise that other place you posted you can spread it out but that's an exception to the norm.

Anyway cmon guys, I realise 32red made some (slight, imo) negative changes but at the end of the day you can get a bonus every day almost and be safe in the knowledge if you cash out a sweet amount you will be paid - that's what matters THE MOST :thumbsup:

I claimed in the past 100's of times the Dish of the Day bonus or any other promo bonus at GL, NED or DASH in multiple deposits...was never a problem for Live Support to credit the promo chips up to the max. available on a second, third or fourth deposit. Today was the first time that it was declined at first. The support agent then checked my chat history and confirmed that i was not yet informed about this change and told me that she would credit one more time the promo chips on a second deposit. No more though thereafter.

So to me, that is a clear rule change of which i informed the members of this forum with this post.
 
I claimed in the past 100's of times the Dish of the Day bonus or any other promo bonus at GL, NED or DASH in multiple deposits...was never a problem for Live Support to credit the promo chips up to the max. available on a second, third or fourth deposit. Today was the first time that it was declined at first. The support agent then checked my chat history and confirmed that i was not yet informed about this change and told me that she would credit one more time the promo chips on a second deposit. No more though thereafter.

So to me, that is a clear rule change of which i informed the members of this forum with this post.

Ive nether known a casino to top up the rest of the bonus, BUT I did see the other day on here that vip players could do this, But again this has been stooped by what I read the other day, Either in this thread or another one
 
I claimed in the past 100's of times the Dish of the Day bonus or any other promo bonus at GL, NED or DASH in multiple deposits...was never a problem for Live Support to credit the promo chips up to the max. available on a second, third or fourth deposit. Today was the first time that it was declined at first. The support agent then checked my chat history and confirmed that i was not yet informed about this change and told me that she would credit one more time the promo chips on a second deposit. No more though thereafter.

So to me, that is a clear rule change of which i informed the members of this forum with this post.


I think this is another of those unofficial things they did, but have now stopped doing. I always assumed you had to deposit in one go for one bonus, and so have always done this. The common factor seems to be that both the flushing and the credit of top up were an extra burden on CS, yet were being used routinely. I suspect therefore that these are all symptoms of an underlying policy shift, one designed to ease the burden on CS for what are really routine functions intended to be managed automatically. This will free up CS staff for non routine matters, but might also provide an opportunity to cut the numbers on shift at any one time, thus saving operating costs.

There may well have been other changes that only a few who use a certain perk will notice. The negative side to this is that what they are cutting back on is "customer service", those little things that make a customer feel like more than just a number. It seems that there has been a dramatic shift in focus from the top, from treating their customers like "family" to treating them like "numbered revenue units" with an emphasis of running these "revenue units" at the least possible cost. This is what happens when any company grows beyond a certain size, they become too big with too many customers to maintain that "family feel" to the business. It's the difference between your local corner shop where you are known personally by the half dozen staff who work there, and the big Tesco down the road where you are nothing more than one of tens of thousands of regular customers, served by staff that probably only work there for a few months before moving on.
 
I think this is another of those unofficial things they did, but have now stopped doing. I always assumed you had to deposit in one go for one bonus, and so have always done this. The common factor seems to be that both the flushing and the credit of top up were an extra burden on CS, yet were being used routinely. I suspect therefore that these are all symptoms of an underlying policy shift, one designed to ease the burden on CS for what are really routine functions intended to be managed automatically. This will free up CS staff for non routine matters, but might also provide an opportunity to cut the numbers on shift at any one time, thus saving operating costs.

There may well have been other changes that only a few who use a certain perk will notice. The negative side to this is that what they are cutting back on is "customer service", those little things that make a customer feel like more than just a number. It seems that there has been a dramatic shift in focus from the top, from treating their customers like "family" to treating them like "numbered revenue units" with an emphasis of running these "revenue units" at the least possible cost. This is what happens when any company grows beyond a certain size, they become too big with too many customers to maintain that "family feel" to the business. It's the difference between your local corner shop where you are known personally by the half dozen staff who work there, and the big Tesco down the road where you are nothing more than one of tens of thousands of regular customers, served by staff that probably only work there for a few months before moving on.

Hi VWM,

I started reading your post and was relieved that someone finally started to understand one of the reasons for the changes. Yes, you are right, by changing some manual processes such as flushing and the manual multiple crediting of what is a single bonus - it does free up CS time, but you couldn't be more wrong with your second paragraph.

We are not trying to cut costs, we are not cutting back on customer service, quite the contrary. By stopping these unofficial 'perks' which a very small percentage of our base take up a lot of our time in administering it allows us to answer 'genuine' customer service queries faster, be proactive in recognising a customer who may be experiencing problems and solve 'on the fly'. We pride ourselves on customer service and continue to be one of the few casinos who have 100% of their support staff in house, trained by us and with more authority than most other managers in other businesses. In fact, we are currently in the process of moving offices as our support team has almost doubled over the last couple of years.

I appreciate that these changes are not to everyone's taste and if I am honest I am totally shocked by the percentage of CM members who this has affected. As previously said, there was a very very small percentage of our player base who flushed or claimed bonuses in parts - but for some reason unknown to me, the majority of this small percentage are CM members. I wonder if the forum has served to be an education for players to avail of such 'perks' - I don't know.

Regards
Mark
 
We pride ourselves on customer service and continue to be one of the few casinos who have 100% of their support staff in house, trained by us and with more authority than most other managers in other businesses. In fact, we are currently in the process of moving offices as our support team has almost doubled over the last couple of years.


You can really tell the above is true when you speak to 32red live chat - it is FANTASTIC and on a level like no other casino can manage.

Excellent post Mark thank you and this is why Casinomeister is such a great forum - to get interaction like this from the casinos is unbeatable.

I vote for this thread being closed now. Anyone who has good taste in online gambling sites knows how great 32red is.
 
Hi VWM,

I started reading your post and was relieved that someone finally started to understand one of the reasons for the changes. Yes, you are right, by changing some manual processes such as flushing and the manual multiple crediting of what is a single bonus - it does free up CS time,

Sorry Mark but i am not buying your explanations. That extra work on your CS was self-inflicted by changes 32RED made earlier.

- Flushing - up to about 1 year ago all withdrawals would be auto-flushed twice a day for payment processing, hence a player never waited more than 12 hours for it to be paid. You removed then the auto-flush and allowed manual flushing for Club Rouge and some other chosen members, or maybe whoever knew about it and asked, got it done. Microgaming still has this option in their software, so it is up to the casino operator to enter 0 - x hours before auto-flush to payments team. So this extra work for your CS team wasn't and still isn't needed.
- Manually crediting of promo bonuses - Microgaming again has here an option to have promo chips automatically credited up to a certain value of deposits, no matter if you make 1 or multiple deposits. No need to have CS involved. And if you want to stop the multiple crediting just put a short sentence in the casino lobby - "Dish of the Day - xxx% up to xxx for first deposit only". That would be then clear and transparent. I deposit every day at 32RED and surely will not read the T&C's every day to see if there are any hidden changes. But credit to your Support Agent, she made the effort to go through my chat history and when she discovered that i was not informed about this change, she credited me one more time the promo chips on my second deposit. Now i know it is not available anymore and will certainly not ask for it in the future.
- The increase in your support team is mainly due to 32RED venturing heavily into new markets outside the UK whereas in the past you were very much focused on your home turf, where you still have the largest customer base. So the increased team is credit to your success in these new markets and you deserve it as you are still the best download MG casino and one i would recommend without hesitation to any of my friends. But surely had nothing to do with:
there was a very very small percentage of our player base who flushed or claimed bonuses in parts
Even if 500 people in one shift would ask for multiple crediting/flushing, that is appr. 500 minutes extra work/shift, which is roughly 1 extra agent/shift

Do i still like 32RED? - Yes; Do i still play there every day? - Yes; but i am probably the one who has most trouble adjusting to this new rules and regulations. I will, i promise, but probably will rant a few more times about it until then... sorry :)

Kind regards
Harry
 
- The increase in your support team is mainly due to 32RED venturing heavily into new markets outside the UK whereas in the past you were very much focused on your home turf,

How do you know this? You are thinking things up in your head and then stating them as a fact. Unless you are privy to 32reds board meetings you can not state this as a fact.
 
How do you know this? You are thinking things up in your head and then stating them as a fact. Unless you are privy to 32reds board meetings you can not state this as a fact.

I have been with 32RED for some time now and read some of their quarterly and yearly business reports, which are available online. So i think i wasn't saying something wrong or unfounded.
 
well whether someone IS reading these posts or not, their business will get affected (probably already has) and hopefully at least a few of the changes can be reversed in favor of the players..... Even amaya has decided to reverse the rake increases on pokerstars after massive outrage and probably decrease in player traffic...
 
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Hi VWM,

I started reading your post and was relieved that someone finally started to understand one of the reasons for the changes. Yes, you are right, by changing some manual processes such as flushing and the manual multiple crediting of what is a single bonus - it does free up CS time, but you couldn't be more wrong with your second paragraph.

We are not trying to cut costs, we are not cutting back on customer service, quite the contrary. By stopping these unofficial 'perks' which a very small percentage of our base take up a lot of our time in administering it allows us to answer 'genuine' customer service queries faster, be proactive in recognising a customer who may be experiencing problems and solve 'on the fly'. We pride ourselves on customer service and continue to be one of the few casinos who have 100% of their support staff in house, trained by us and with more authority than most other managers in other businesses. In fact, we are currently in the process of moving offices as our support team has almost doubled over the last couple of years.

I appreciate that these changes are not to everyone's taste and if I am honest I am totally shocked by the percentage of CM members who this has affected. As previously said, there was a very very small percentage of our player base who flushed or claimed bonuses in parts - but for some reason unknown to me, the majority of this small percentage are CM members. I wonder if the forum has served to be an education for players to avail of such 'perks' - I don't know.

Regards
Mark

Why hasn't the move been to put more of this routine stuff into the hands of players, which would also free up support staff?

Players don't have to contact CS to reverse a withdrawal, they can do this in the cashier, yet they have always had to contact CS in order to request a flush of a withdrawal. This too could surely be dealt with by having a "flush this withdrawal" button in the cashier, which would immediately send it along to be processed in the next batch. Unlike an automatic setting, this would allow players who think they might reverse a bit later to leave their withdrawal alone until they decide that they will definitely not reverse.

There are many automatic systems available with the Microgaming software product that operators just don't use, yet using them would solve some of the issues they are having with CS staff time being taken up with "trivia" at the expense of being able to serve customers with "real issues" better. Why is this?

CM Members tend to be seasoned players who know their way around the industry. They know what can be done with the various software products and platforms through experience, so if there is a niche perk, CM members are much more likely to know about it. Other players will not miss the removal of something they never knew about, and most casinos that offer manual flushing don't exactly announce it from the rooftops. Other features can be discovered by accident, such as whether a promotion is configured to work for multiple deposits up to a maximum amount, even if this is not made clear up front. The fact that this is a known option configured by many of the MGS casinos that kicked UK players out may be what is driving players at 32Red to ask CS about it, where they quickly discovered that CS would manually credit the rest for them. It's probably the most risk averse players that use this unofficial feature, so that they don't commit the whole sum in one go, even though at 32Red this "whole sum" even for Club Rouge players seldom exceeds £200.

These things that have been ended are all part of "customer service", so those using them will say "customer service has deteriorated", whereas those who find that their queries get dealt with faster because CS are less bogged down with the unofficial perks will say "customer service has improved".

In most of business, companies do not see such changes as an opportunity to improve service, but as an opportunity to downsize their CS teams to save money. This tends to mean that despite lightening the load on CS, the service provided doesn't get any better, and sometimes gets worse. The outward impression being given by this continual drip feeding of negative changes at 32Red gives the impression that this is an ongoing process designed to cut operating costs, and that there may be more cuts to come before a new level of stability is reached. Many businesses embarking on such measures will be looking at them in terms of "what the market will tolerate", rather than "how can we best serve our customers". This is usually measured by revenue, rather than feedback, so it's no good having customers SAY they will close accounts and go elsewhere, it has to be seen to be happening from the revenue figures before it's taken seriously as a sign that the tolerance of the market is being exceeded.
 
There are many automatic systems available with the Microgaming software product that operators just don't use, yet using them would solve some of the issues they are having with CS staff time being taken up with "trivia" at the expense of being able to serve customers with "real issues" better. Why is this?

absolutely right VWM.

You would be amazed how many more automatic features MicroGaming software offers and are never used as they are impacting the bottom line of the casino operators. To my latest knowledge MGS has on offer an automatic payment option for "known" players where the software is doing the standard security checks and sends the payment out immediately and automatically if the player has chosen e-wallets for the withdrawal. Haven't seen one download MGS casino using the feature as they are carrying the fees for the transfers, so every reversed withdrawal is not just saving money but also expenses for fees to the e-wallets.

In most of business, companies do not see such changes as an opportunity to improve service, but as an opportunity to downsize their CS teams to save money. This tends to mean that despite lightening the load on CS, the service provided doesn't get any better, and sometimes gets worse. The outward impression being given by this continual drip feeding of negative changes at 32Red gives the impression that this is an ongoing process designed to cut operating costs, and that there may be more cuts to come before a new level of stability is reached. Many businesses embarking on such measures will be looking at them in terms of "what the market will tolerate", rather than "how can we best serve our customers". This is usually measured by revenue, rather than feedback, so it's no good having customers SAY they will close accounts and go elsewhere, it has to be seen to be happening from the revenue figures before it's taken seriously as a sign that the tolerance of the market is being exceeded.

Widely used by many businesses, e.g. supermarkets, insurers, banks etc. Reduce until you feel resistance and then take it a little back to please the customer :)

However, this happens or happened already at other casino groups, like CR, Palace Group or FL, as well.
 
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