Why all online casino's are rigged

[lauram]

How true this is my big oh oh for week. As you know i deposit only 25 at a time
got up past 200 but the rj are high so thought im home some time on my hands
ill go for some. Yes 3 of them went while i was playing that lil pop up box said sorry game closing due to progressive jackpot win. Wasnt me lol. So i went to the next set and did same till im done to 0 but I should of cashed out would of given me 8 deposits. But the 25 i deposited on last wed lasted me till now so in way kinda works out almost the same. Im just tired of dead spins or you have your 2 scatter symbols and 3rd is on last wheel and poof it either pushes it back up or down. Anyways the dumb blonde i am is off depositing again not sure where yet, up double in mg maybe i should just cash that out and start fresh will see. As they say someone has to win the big ones maybe one time will be a few of us regulars from here would be nice to see. GOOD LUCK ALL

[KasinoKing]

Originally Posted by Woody50

I have just come to realize that when you play online the games remember where your are in the play cycle, so if you have a win on a game then get off it and never touch it again as it will then go on the take, that little message "refreshing state" is so obvious when you stop and think about it.

Possible, but highly improbable. If online casinos needed to cheat to stay in business then so would land-based. (More so in fact, because they have bigger overheads). Same games, same odds, same players playing the same way.
If online casinos are rigged how come I've been winning from them for 7-years?
(And don't give me any of that 'affiliate lies' BS - I have a computer full of data to back up my results).

The other replies have said it already I know, but to reiterate:-
If you keep losing and you're not happy about it - STOP GAMBLING!
Take up a hobby which does make you happy.

[Jufo]

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

Possible, but highly improbable. If online casinos needed to cheat to stay in business then so would land-based. (More so in fact, because they have bigger overheads). Same games, same odds, same players playing the same way.

The difference is that on-line casinos offer bonuses. Something just doesn't add up if casino offers positive value bonuses and low house edge games. They would need huge turnovers on high house-edge games such a slots to pay off the value of bonuses. Making profit and offering player edge in bonuses just isn't mathematically possible.

If online casinos are rigged how come I've been winning from them for 7-years?

That is a poor argument. The only way you have been winning is by retaining a part of the bonus value. Perhaps you should have won twice more if the odds were true. And it is possible that the rigging kicks in on larger bet sizes and by low-rolling you have simply avoided this mechanism to be activated.

The other replies have said it already I know, but to reiterate:-
If you keep losing and you're not happy about it - STOP GAMBLING!

If somebody is conviced that they have been cheated, my suggestion is to gather evidence to prove that and make the casino face the consequences. If you just quit, you let them win, which is also in the best interests of affiliates.

[oldandboring40]

i went through the same phase you are several years ago. you learn the hard way that unlike land based casinos there is a whole lot more strategy involved with online gaming. you can come out alright but if you dont have a buttload of self control it can be tough.

[USA2112]

Originally Posted by Jufo

The difference is that on-line casinos offer bonuses. Something just doesn't add up if casino offers positive value bonuses and low house edge games. They would need huge turnovers on high house-edge games such a slots to pay off the value of bonuses. Making profit and offering player edge in bonuses just isn't mathematically possible.

Considering some casinos offer incentives for their players like 100% match bonus at 10 to 14 X's wager with no max cash out, bonuses can be profitable. If the player deposits $50 they then receive $50 bonus totaling $100 to play with allowing the player to place higher wagers. And with only a $1000 to $1400 total wager to clear the bonus before cashing out any winnings, Most players will wager that much in one sitting in a casino on $1 bets, it just depends on the bonus.

Originally Posted by Jufo

If somebody is conviced that they have been cheated, my suggestion is to gather evidence to prove that and make the casino face the consequences.

That's what's important proof.

Originally Posted by Jufo

If you just quit, you let them win, which is also in the best interests of affiliates.

Not sure I see how this would be in the best interest of the casino or affiliate, the casino would lose a depositing player and the affiliate would lose commission for that player.

[KasinoKing]

Originally Posted by Jufo

The difference is that on-line casinos offer bonuses. Something just doesn't add up if casino offers positive value bonuses and low house edge games. They would need huge turnovers on high house-edge games such a slots to pay off the value of bonuses. Making profit and offering player edge in bonuses just isn't mathematically possible.

Well I'm sorry, but that is just total nonsense for lots of reasons. Here's some of them:-

1. Not very many casinos offer +EV bonuses.
2. Even if they are +EV, the amount to be gained is minor. (e.g. 100% on $100 might be +EV by $10 - $15)
3. Not all players take the bonuses with the sole purpose of trying to milk them by playing the lowest risk strategy. I have no idea of the figures of course, but I would be very surprised if it's higher than 1 in 10.
4. Even those casinos who do offer +EV sign-up bonuses usually only give the player one. Casinos have 1000's of returning players taking -EV bonuses, or no bonuses at all. That's where they make their money.
5. Some of the best +EV bonuses I know come from very honest reputable UK bookmakers who would not dare to cheat their customers.
6. My opinion is casinos are prepared to offer these +EV SUBs to essentially 'buy' new players who they hope will carry on to be regular depositors. They spend £10,000's on TV & other advertising, so why not spend £10,000's 'buying players'? I reckon it's just accepted as part of the marketing budget.

The above is just my opinion - I'm no gambling expert and I have no insider knowledge.

[poser]

I can only say one thing:

There's are certain Playtech group, that will give you bonusses on and on.

Mostly cashable, only 10 to 12 times rollover, casino holdem allowed !!!

Bonusses from 50% to 200% (up to 400) , or 100% + 50 free, deposit 20 min.

You'll get those bonusses for years (at least 20 bonuses a month) !! (So do I).....

But in fact, those casinos MUST lose big and since some weeks now, I think they did a little to MY payouts. Now the results for C.Holdem are so extremly unpossible, I sometimes can only lol about.

I asked for play history, but they "cannot" give me theese histories !!!

I even cannot cry out, imagine HOW MUCH I won from them (its a really big group).

But I MUST think they cheat in the long run. How can they affort this otherwise ??

[uungy]

Personally the biggest problem with online gaming is the speed of table games. With a standard live casino, a hand can take a bit to play, while online, you cann play up to 7 hands a minute. So it can look as though in the real casino you are playing longer but the fact is thatyou are playing 7 times faster.

Slots are the same in a sense, The whole idea and time walking into a casino, exchanging chips, drinking, playing, changing machines, finding a "hot machine" also takes time, meanwhile online it is fater.

So if you play $500 in a live casino for about an hour, it would last you about 10 minutes online.

Just a theory

[Rusty]

I guess it depends on your definition of rigged.
All the slots I have ever played have been weighted so can not be random in the true sense.
That is an indisputable fact.
Are they 95%?
I usually get more like 85% at a good MG casino.

My first ever online casino was an MG and off a small deposit I hit the jackpot on Avalon (5 wilds) the jackpot on loaded 4 ladies with the wild during free spins the jackpot on secret admirer and several big wins of over 500Xbet.

1000 deposits later and I have never hit a win close to any of those.

I reckon the probability of me hitting the way I did and then losing the way I have ever since being just coincidence is very low.

But hey we don't have to play and thanks to this forum we have somewhere to sound off and when you have a go at Brian you are venting in the wrong direction.
This forum is the best moderated and most informative casino site out there and Brian's points are absolutely valid.

Other than that Woody I am on your side.

[D!G!TAL]

To OP-
The diminshing returns is probably the best point made so far- Gamblers Ruin! You have to know when to stop!

There is a difference between 'payout' and 'hold'. If you make a £100 deposit and manage to wager £1000 on a 90% payout machine and win £900- you hit the 90% payout but the casino gets all your cash (100% hold). To you, you just see £100 lost rather than the wins in between maintaining the payout at 90%. 90% doesnt mean you will end your session with £90, you could do if you knew when to cash out.

This is a simple example but if you do not understand the priciple it is easy to feel that the pay out percentage is a sham- you say yourself you have never got 90% back, when in fact it is likely you have had more back, perhaps 95%.

The secret is to know when to stop playing...