this says it all

[kauphy]

Again Kauphy, I bring up the point that if you tried to work like illegal immigrants do, you could not survive on what is paid to them. If you would work for a "living salary", you and I could not afford to buy the fruits or vegetables you picked)


if that be the case then they r no better off here then they r there and also if that is the case then how in the world can they live here and still send money home. oh ya i know by getting all the bennys they can from r goverment and working under the table. oh ya also stealing like they did at my ex husbands work stealing the sliver and getting the money and sending it back home as they call it as they do not call this home. and yes i did live on it and paid my rent on it but seeing it was back east the cost of living back there is not so high.

 

[Brooklyn]

This is going a little overboard now. Just my opinion. I think everyone should take a breath, and relax.

 

[lost2much]

vegetagirl, I have a problem with blacks that threaten to kill whites and their families. Do you have a problem with white people?? Sounds just as absurd as your statement to kauphy doesn't it?? And why is racial issues off limits in an open discussion about militant blacks that threaten people? I hope you aren't suggesting that only blacks deserve to do these things against whites and not vice versa???

 

[lost2much]

by the way jod, I wasn't calling you a bitch, just that you are bitching, just to clarify

 

[vegetagirl2008]

vegetagirl, I have a problem with blacks that threaten to kill whites and their families. Do you have a problem with white people?? Sounds just as absurd as your statement to kauphy doesn't it?? And why is racial issues off limits in an open discussion about militant blacks that threaten people? I hope you aren't suggesting that only blacks deserve to do these things against whites and not vice versa???

Never had a problem with any race. My best friend is Caucasian. I don't like where this thread is going and reported it accordingly. Take this up with the moderators.

 

[kauphy]

Do you have a problem with blacks, I suggest you don't express them here..

no i don,t if you had read my post. but i do have a promble with anyone that says to kill anyone or their babys. and if you or anyone eles don,t have a promble with that video then there is a bigger promble here then i thought. no one and i mean no one white or black or yellow or green has the right to stand on a sidewalk and tell people that they need to kill some white crackers and their babys and that is what was said. so again i say the black sobs need to be gone.

 

[lost2much]

So do you support the black panthers intimidating voters Veg? If so then I think it is you that have the racial issue. There is nothing in these posts that should be censored. Just because you don't like what some say, don't cry racist at your convenience just to shut others up. Were those guys just poor oppressed people trying to better their families like the illegals??? Don't think so. Now Eric Holder won't even prosecute them according to the law. What's up with that? Yeah, I wonder....

 

[Mavin1]

And now we have Jod jumping on the bitch wagon! So much for civilized debate there Jod. You and your ilk are the problem quite frankly, and no amount of spew from you will change the very simple (I'm sure you can even understand) fact that it IS ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO BE HERE ACCORDING TO US LAW!! But pollyannas like you don't get that. I seriously don't believe you ever will get that! I guess you are another to add to the list of lefties that just don't get it. I will add Jod to the list along with Gloria Mavin, 2 that just don't get it.

Well, alrighty then, guess we're done here. I take back what I said about you being a good debater. Have a nice day dude!

 

[lost2much]

You too mavin, at least I pick a side and have the conviction to defend it. You can continue to play both sides all you want. bye bye!

 

[RedAndi]

And now we have Jod jumping on the bitch wagon! So much for civilized debate there Jod. You and your ilk are the problem quite frankly, and no amount of spew from you will change the very simple (I'm sure you can even understand) fact that it IS ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO BE HERE ACCORDING TO US LAW!! But pollyannas like you don't get that. I seriously don't believe you ever will get that! I guess you are another to add to the list of lefties that just don't get it. I will add Jod to the list along with Gloria Mavin, 2 that just don't get it.

Just my opinion but I didn't think Jods post was all that bitchy. At least to me just seems like she was making some clear and concise points.
Lost it kind of seems like you don't really want to debate unless your opinions are being agreed upon. Anyone who doesn't seems to get called names . (Except me, thank you for sparing me, lol).
Seriously, not wanting to pick on you or anyone, but this thread seems to be going down an ugly road here.

BTW, there are some very rampant stereotypes flying around in here, about more than one race/nationality.
Do you all really believe everyone who crosses the border is a hardered criminal sent here to destroy our country? FOR REAL, it is OK to have concerns but it just seems kind of F'd up to assume ALL the people involved in this mess are like that. Or to assume anyone who isn't a total hardliner on the issue is a Pollyanna. This is the very reason this country can't get shit done, everyone is either one side or the other and politicians are too F'ing scared to do shit in case they alienate a voting block

 

[vegetagirl2008]

Now see this is the perfect example here we are saying things we shouldn't say to one another its sad in this day and age instead of trying to get along we are fighting amongst ourselves. We need to come to grips of whats happening right now its not about black or white its about society in general. We are so quick to put the blame on each other but yet we don't even look at ourselves are we doing the right thing are we setting an example for our children. My father has taught me hate does not solve anything. Love thy neighbor as thyself. I wouldn't want no one to harm my children no matter who they are. People speak out of ignorance rather then intellect. Do you listen to ignorance or do you want to listen to someone who has some kind of intelligence.

 

[lost2much]

No red, my only point is that whether they are pure as the driven snow or ugly brutal criminals, they are not here illlegally and that is indefensible no matter what anyones "opinion" is on the subject. I just get frustrated when others can't even bring themselves to admit that reality, thats all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but unfortunately for some, they are not entitled to their own fantasy facts.

 

[RedAndi]

no i don,t if you had read my post. but i do have a promble with anyone that says to kill anyone or their babys. and if you or anyone eles don,t have a promble with that video then there is a bigger promble here then i thought. no one and i mean no one white or black or yellow or green has the right to stand on a sidewalk and tell people that they need to kill some white crackers and their babys and that is what was said. so again i say the black sobs need to be gone.

And Kauph, to be clear there are insane militant groups saying shit like that all the time. The KKK would be a great example, problem with them is sometimes they follow through on their threats. So it goes many ways with many kinds of people.

 

[vegetagirl2008]

So do you support the black panthers intimidating voters Veg? If so then I think it is you that have the racial issue. There is nothing in these posts that should be censored. Just because you don't like what some say, don't cry racist at your convenience just to shut others up. Were those guys just poor oppressed people trying to better their families like the illegals??? Don't think so. Now Eric Holder won't even prosecute them according to the law. What's up with that? Yeah, I wonder....

So of all the post you wrote so far did they have a racist tone to it?..I don't believe in anything that has to do with violence so my answer is no..

 

[lost2much]

Well I'm glad we at least agree that noone should threaten others and their families Veg. Lets be honest though, if it had been a shitty hate group like the KKK doing that, they would be put away in jail. Just seems to be a double standard, thats all.

 

[kauphy]

You too mavin, at least I pick a side and have the conviction to defend it. You can continue to play both sides all you want. bye bye!

lost2much you need to lighten up a bit. mavin as i see was just stateing things as she sees them and we all have that right and as i see it she was,nt playing both sides. even if she was that is her right just as is it ur right to say what you feel. so lighten up a bit and don,t bite everyones head off.

 

[RedAndi]

No red, my only point is that whether they are pure as the driven snow or ugly brutal criminals, they are not here illlegally and that is indefensible no matter what anyones "opinion" is on the subject. I just get frustrated when others can't even bring themselves to admit that reality, thats all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but unfortunately for some, they are not entitled to their own fantasy facts.

Agree, no one should be here illegally, period.
Then again the 911 pilots were here legally, so I guess the way they come through isn't always foolproof!

 

[vegetagirl2008]

Well I'm glad we at least agree that noone should threaten others and their families Veg. Lets be honest though, if it had been a shitty hate group like the KKK doing that, they would be put away in jail. Just seems to be a double standard, thats all.

Hate is ugly and disgusting and needs to eradicated..violence only causes broken families and unnecessary death.

 

[lost2much]

by the way red, what names are you refering to that I supposedly called someone? Democrat? Liberal? Lefty? Is that what you are refering to?? If so, then your definition of name calling is a lot different from mine. Liberals do want amnesty for illegals, democrats want amnesty for illegals, lefties want the same too. Sorry if calling a spade a spade is so horrible in your mind.

 

[lost2much]

I completely agree Veg. Just think that justice should be blind and what those thugs did was completely illegal.

 

[lost2much]

Sorry Mavin, this just gets me crazy!!

 

[kauphy]

And Kauph, to be clear there are insane militant groups saying shit like that all the time. The KKK would be a great example, problem with them is sometimes they follow through on their threats. So it goes many ways with many kinds of people.

but if you read my post i said i don,t care if they r white black or any color its not right to say anything like that about anyone. i don,t like the kkk or the black panthers i don,t like any group that goes around saying crap like that. so tell me how did he get away with it without going to jail? talking about killing people. if i was to go stand on the sidewalk and say i,m going to kill some people be them white black or any color my butt would be put into jail and you and i know that.

 

[zap987]

Here's an article from The Brussels Journal, titled "Swedish Welfare State Collapses as Immigrants Wage War".

Quote:It is interesting to note that these Muslim immigrants state quite openly that they are involved in a “war,” and see participation in crime and harassment of the native population as such.

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So it is not just an isolated problem in our country, people are being shifted all over the planet, perception of other races and cultures is being prejudiced so the shift of people will come with great prejudice and hatred.

But I guess few will get it, as it is not about fixing the country and sending them home or the governments doing something about it. It is being allowed to happen, it is being provoked into happening and it will happen irregardless of how we feel.
The US is on the hit list and Osama, er uh excuse me, Obama will not step up and protect the people of this nation.
I mean seriously, when we can't even see the irony in this presidents name, that is a reflection of two notorious enemies of this country, then just how dumbed down are we really?
There was Saddam Hussien and Osama Binladen, put them together and we have Barack Hussein Obama!
Slap in the face!

JMO

Since I'm from Sweden I did read that article and it's scary how people will believe anything that is printed. Except for being 4 years old there isn't much that is correct in it, mostly it looks like something I would expect to read in politcial material spread by the swedish national socialist party or whatever name they would be using now. Maybe you would want to reevaluate your sources a bit.

 

[RedAndi]

by the way red, what names are you refering to that I supposedly called someone? Democrat? Liberal? Lefty? Is that what you are refering to?? If so, then your definition of name calling is a lot different from mine. Liberals do want amnesty for illegals, democrats want amnesty for illegals, lefties want the same too. Sorry if calling a spade a spade is so horrible in your mind.

LOL guess it's my turn now

I wrote that after I saw your post calling Jod "Bitchy", to be fair you clarified and claimed you didn't call her an actual bitch, so fine.
I also think the pollyanna thing is a term people use when they want to imply someone is somehow "wimpy" and because they aren't extremely militant about these kinds of issues (arizona immigration for example) then they must be a mushy hearted liberal/dem/whatever.
And also the black sob's thing bothered me. No you did not say it, when I mentioned name calling it was not directed at YOU specifically, more the whole thread and it's tone.
This whole thread is starting to sound like an episode of a Limbaugh or Beck show anyway, and I don't doubt Max or Brian is going to shut it down soon anyway. So once again I should take my own advice and stay the F out of political discussions

 

[jod5413]

Again Kauphy, I bring up the point that if you tried to work like illegal immigrants do, you could not survive on what is paid to them. If you would work for a "living salary", you and I could not afford to buy the fruits or vegetables you picked)


if that be the case then they r no better off here then they r there and also if that is the case then how in the world can they live here and still send money home. oh ya i know by getting all the bennys they can from r goverment and working under the table. oh ya also stealing like they did at my ex husbands work stealing the sliver and getting the money and sending it back home as they call it as they do not call this home. and yes i did live on it and paid my rent on it but seeing it was back east the cost of living back there is not so high.

Generally speaking from my personal experiences, they live in squalor, sharing crappy little sheds, with outhouses, no hot water, etc. They do not complain, they are here working to feed their families back home, because back home they can't find work! They do not complain, they are grateful for the job.

And now we have Jod jumping on the bitch wagon! So much for civilized debate there Jod. You and your ilk are the problem quite frankly, and no amount of spew from you will change the very simple (I'm sure you can even understand) fact that it IS ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO BE HERE ACCORDING TO US LAW!! But pollyannas like you don't get that. I seriously don't believe you ever will get that! I guess you are another to add to the list of lefties that just don't get it. I will add Jod to the list along with Gloria Mavin, 2 that just don't get it.

You are becoming less rational by the post, lost2much. I respectfully ask you to take a time out on this thread.

I will not be posting any more here.