I have blacklisted Clubdice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos and CDpoker

[winbig]

United States law is not universal. What are the prosecutors from the US going to do in Kiev or Beijing?
Not much... Sorry just being realistic. As long as there is money to be made someone will find away.

A different approach, that won’t work either, is to try to teach users not to open spam or buy anything thru spam, you’d think people would have learned not to open spam by now...

But all it takes is one moron in ten thousand to buy 'make my peepee bigger pills' from the nice spam email and the spammer has made a profit.

Actually, why wouldn't it work? I'm sure they'd have fun trying to extradite these spammers, seeing as how some state laws allow the state to confiscate all of the spammers assets if convicted. Could be quite lucrative for the state...

 

[lots0]

Actually, why wouldn't it work?

Well some of the top minds on the www have been trying to figure out how to stop email spam for years... In case you haven’t noticed, nothing anyone has tried has worked...

BTW I live in a state with one of if not the strongest anti spam laws on the books, under the law I should be able to collect $1500 for every spam email I receive, the problem is how you gonna get the money? You think the Russian government is gonna help me collect this $1500 per email as the spammers live in their country... not a chance. The anti spam law where I live is a useless and worthless law that will NEVER be enforced. So why is it on the books? So some politico can tell the people they deserve votes because of the strong anti spam laws this person supported... bah humbug bullshit. (according to this bullshit law I made over $500,000 this morning alone... Ya right)

Spammers have the same mentality as the person that stole the information from this board and posted it as their own... The thief obviously does not think they have done anything wrong, much like the email spammers. Most of those email spammers feel it is their right to be able to send whatever they want to whoever they want and a lot of the spammers are supported in this belief by their governments.

Some people just don’t have common sense. Most people would consider it common sense not to take something that is not yours and then lead people to assume that it is yours. Just like it is common sense (at least to me) that most people do not want a inbox full of emails touting peepee enlarger pills or phony casino deposit bonuses...

 

[K777]

Spamdexing and blacklisting

Dominique,

As for the Cpays, I would agree with you that this group should be taken with care but for other reasons then SE spamming. These guys voted No1 casino affiliate program by Gambling Online magazien... They asked me for "experiment" and promised to pay extra cash but didn't pay when the results of the experiment were frustrating. But that's a personal issue and unethical business practice on their end.

Anyway, I think SE spamming should not be a reason of blacklisting the casinos because spam is a problem of google and other search engines. It's google who breads this spam and it's google who should solve these problems. Why they reward such spamming sites and index them instead of other good quality sites? And why should we, webmasters, do what the google says? Instead of writing a small peace of code to prevent this kind of spamming, these PHD guys urge webmasters to perform a huge amount of manual work.

 

[kwblue]

Anyway, I think SE spamming should not be a reason of blacklisting the casinos because spam is a problem of google and other search engines. It's google who breads this spam and it's google who should solve these problems. Why they reward such spamming sites and index them instead of other good quality sites? And why should we, webmasters, do what the google says? Instead of writing a small peace of code to prevent this kind of spamming, these PHD guys urge webmasters to perform a huge amount of manual work.

The email spam has nothing to do with Google. It has to do with CPays allowing their affiliate 'aimer' to do whatever possible to gather players even if that means illegally spamming( by co-opting server mail programs) and sending out fraudulent emails from those servers to prevent traceability.

 

[lots0]

I think SE spamming should not be a reason of blacklisting the casinos because
spam is a problem of google and other search engines.

No your way wrong. You make the same lame argument every spammer I have ever talked too has made... FYI - I have been talking too spammers for years and years and the flawed spammer argument/logic never changes.

I got news for ya, casino search spam effects everyone in the online casino business in a bad way...

Let me tell you why search engine spam is not just Google’s problem.

When search engine spam costs me money, its my problem, not googles
(google does not care if I make money or not).

When my property is stolen and used by someone else to make themselves money (scraped pages) it is MY problem not googles.

When my customers and visitors are negatively effected by search engine spam it is MY business.

When the entire online gambling industry is made to look like bad guy spammers (like it does when spam fills the search engine results pages) it is my business, because it costs me money and respect.

When users are being redirected to ripoff casinos via search engine spam, it is MY business, because again, it effects my business.

Every time a US Senators wife or a Congressmen’s kid make a search for some innocuous fact and find non-related Casino Search Engine Spam, it is MY business, because again, it effects my business.

So when online casinos turn bad and start search engine or email spamming it is in my best interests and my customers, visitors and the online casino industry best interests to Blacklist the bad Casinos and make all their dirty little dealings very public. Then the public can make an informed decision if they want to deposit their money with a casino group that has been blacklisted like Cpays or Casava(888).

 

[dominique]

These people at CAP are a joke, I am ashamed that I am in the same business as them.

Tsk, tsk, my friend!

Never throw out the baby with the bath water, even if others are prone to do so.

Anyway, I think SE spamming should not be a reason of blacklisting the casinos because spam is a problem of google and other search engines

I see it as a problem for people who search using the engines most of all. They are, however, in no position to fix it.

Google is trying but it is difficult to ban all spammers without hurting innocents.

Most problems in this world go away if you remove the money factor.

Decent, non spamming affiliates who support a program that pays for spamdexing are in effect supporting the practice financially.

CPays is the last program to actively fund spamdexing. Getting them to stop will go a very long way in cleaning this mess up. Spamdexers only spam because it makes them money. If they can't make it in this industry, they will go elsewhere and we will be rid of them.

As an example, 888 has cleaned up the majority of it's engine spam as a result of being confronted about it, and went as far as sending a rep to the Vegas conference to attempt to find an effective solution to catch these spammers on their own.

That is a good faith effort and I will happily work with them towards a final solution.

Should CPays decide to make a decent effort to clean this up, I will be happy to work with them too.

I don't blacklist in order to hurt a business, I want to fix problems. And in the end, all benefit, including the blacklisted program.

Spamdexing is a short sighted business model at best, apart from being illegal and plain unethical. It needs to be dealt with, and I like to act and not wait for other entities to do so, as long as I see a chance for resolution.

 

[winbig]

These guys voted No1 casino affiliate program by Gambling Online magazien...

Lots0, you forgot this point, so I'll take care of it.


K777, I could almost bet that Gambling Online went strictly by NUMBERS and not ETHICS.

Besides, ANYBODY that promotes EH is questionable in my book. If you'll notice, it's the 2nd casino listed on their homepage. xxhttp://www.gamblingonlinemagazine.com/


Biased? I think so.

They PROMOTE CPays casinos.

Who are they to rank affiliate programs when they're an affiliate of them themselves?

Not even knowing their history, I wouldn't take anything GO says with a grain of salt. Especially when it comes to "rankings".

As for CPays, any business that promotes exploiting bugs; or finding new ones, to get their spam sites to come up in irrelevant searches by end users, is running a very shady operation.

And lest we not forget the blind eye they're showing by letting this group of affiliates continue to operate that are spamming millions of people every day.

 

[lots0]

Dominique, I guess you missed this.

Originally Posted by kwblue
But that doesn't make all of CAP a bunch of idiots. I post there quite regularly and do not think of myself as a joke.

Point taken, I wish I could retract that statement. In my defense, I can only say that the irony (it’s over whelming you’ve got to admit) and my anger over this content theft overcame me and I made a statement that I should not have.

Of course, the apology from the content thief was approprate... OH thats right, the content thief has not apologized nor given credit to the source of the information...

I find it funny you did not mention the content theft from here Dominique, usually you are so eloquent and opinionated on content thieft from websites.

Added>>>

These guys voted No1 casino affiliate program by Gambling Online magazien...

As far as I know this was a marketing ploy and not a real 'election' so ending up #1 does not mean anything more than Cpays paid out a little more than the others to 'win' the election.

 

[jetset]

No your way wrong. You make the same lame argument every spammer I have ever talked too has made... FYI - I have been talking too spammers for years and years and the flawed spammer argument/logic never changes.

I got news for ya, casino search spam effects everyone in the online casino business in a bad way...

Let me tell you why search engine spam is not just Googles problem.

When search engine spam costs me money, its my problem, not googles
(google does not care if I make money or not).

When my property is stolen and used by someone else to make themselves money (scraped pages) it is MY problem not googles.

When my customers and visitors are negatively effected by search engine spam it is MY business.

When the entire online gambling industry is made to look like bad guy spammers (like it does when spam fills the search engine results pages) it is my business, because it costs me money and respect.

When users are being redirected to ripoff casinos via search engine spam, it is MY business, because again, it effects my business.

Every time a US Senators wife or a Congressmens kid make a search for some innocuous fact and find non-related Casino Search Engine Spam, it is MY business, because again, it effects my business.

So when online casinos turn bad and start search engine or email spamming it is in my best interests and my customers, visitors and the online casino industry best interests to Blacklist the bad Casinos and make all their dirty little dealings very public. Then the public can make an informed decision if they want to deposit their money with a casino group that has been blacklisted like Cpays or Casava(888).

Excellent post, Lots0 and I would like to use it in our news service bulletins with your permission?

Dom, the following statement sounds like a potential news story on this topic, too - perhaps you would either post here or PM me with the details?

QUOTE: As an example, 888 has cleaned up the majority of it's engine spam as a result of being confronted about it, and went as far as sending a rep to the Vegas conference to attempt to find an effective solution to catch these spammers on their own. UNQUOTE

 

[lots0]

I would like to use it in our news service bulletins with your permission?

Thank you. I don't have a problem with you using it as long as CM does not have a problem with it.

 

[Webzcas]

Great post Lotso on defining why search engine spam promoting online gambling is bad for the entire online gambling industry.

Also on the subject of CPays, how on earth did they get the
Link Removed (invalid URL) award bestowed on them???? - Maybe I should start dishing out awards as well, at least IMO the winners would be more worthy!

Seriously the only awards in the industry I recognise are those that are dished out by Bryan each and every year.

CPays in my experience as an affiliate offer the earth but in reality are one of worst programs you could sign up with. Barge pole I would not touch them with.

Then from a player point of view, why play at the likes of Monaco Gold and Club Dice, whereby you are made to jump through the proverbial hoops, when you would have a much better hassle free experience by playing at a decent online casino.

 

[Webzcas]

As far as I know this was a marketing ploy and not a real 'election' so ending up #1 does not mean anything more than Cpays paid out a little more than the others to 'win' the election.

Isn't that the case with the majority of awards that GOM dish out

 

[dominique]

Dom, the following statement sounds like a potential news story on this topic, too - perhaps you would either post here or PM me with the details?

QUOTE: As an example, 888 has cleaned up the majority of it's engine spam as a result of being confronted about it, and went as far as sending a rep to the Vegas conference to attempt to find an effective solution to catch these spammers on their own. UNQUOTE

I am packing and need to catch a plane home, but will be happy to elaborate in a day or two.

 

[WagerWitch]

Alright - I've been working with SEO on my own and learning the ropes.

I do have to say that the CPAYS2 promo is clogging up Google with senseless sites in the top positions - even if only for a few days/weeks.

HOWEVER.... I'm seeing a WORSE, more evil intrusion that is coming about by competitive Google Farmers and Search Engine nasty people...

The request that your site be removed.

In my humble opinion - places like MSN and GOOGLE should make website owners sign up and join with name and password - so that NO ONE can take your site off the index - without you knowing about it.

Scary, the tactics that I am seeing - but I thought I'd toss that one out there because I think that it is quite possible that the CPays competition might be partially responsible for the removal requests - in the attempt to remove more legit sites - for the SEO competition to make the top 10.

Just my thoughts.

Wager Witch
luckymeki

 

[lots0]

Looks like the search engine SPAM from CPAYS agent 'aimer' is on the come back.

Lots and lots of NEW CPAYS 'aimer' SPAM in the google search results.

Looks like aimer just waited and collected a list of sites that had not updated their plone CMS and PHPBB software. Once he had a list of sites he started this new attack, using all these sites that have not and look unlikely to upgrade their software.

The Cpays affiliate manager has said that Cpays closed the affiliate account of aimer...

Its obvious now that CPAYS and their affiliate managers are a bunch of liars.

All this nice nice talk at the affiliate thing in Vegas from Cpays was just them blowing smoke up everyones asses.

Somthing to note: I have seen the search engine spam running on the latest yabbforum software.

xxwww.thewildrose.net/anyboard9/forum/posts/12071.html

Be careful, that is a javascript redirected URL... If you want to see what it really looks like turn off the javascript in your browser before you look.

 

[kwblue]

Yes, 'aimer' is alive and well at CPays because they were waiting to spam the next set of plone sites.

I will compile a list of those sites soon, but it is also those idiots with comments turned on and not moderated that help this shit climb to the top of the serps. It wouldn't get there if there were not thousands of links pointing to it.

I know because I put some traps on a couple of my sites and now I log all the comment spam the 'aimer' servers are spewing.

I noticed a huge increase in this 1 week ago, which is no doubt where this is all coming from.

 

[jargon]

Hey lotso you have a lots to learn. People actually do things without self interest in mind. There is more to come, in the meantime try and educate me.


"These people at CAP are a joke, I am ashamed that I am in the same business as them"

greek39

 

[dhayman]

Hi Lots0,

Just saw your post. If you look at the CAP link that I posted (that's referenced in your post above), I do mention that I took the synopsis from "another board". Some webmasters are sensitive about hard-coding links from other boards, so that is why I didn't "give you credit" explicitly. But, I did mention that I got the information elsewhere.

Believe me, I could care less about taking credit for your post, so apologies if this offended you. I'm in the business of ridding the system of these spamming pirates, and am definitely making some progress. I think we are on the same side of the battlefield.

Good luck with your efforts.

Dhayman

 

[jargon]

Hi Lots0,

Just saw your post. If you look at the CAP link that I posted (that's referenced in your post above), I do mention that I took the synopsis from "another board". Some webmasters are sensitive about hard-coding links from other boards, so that is why I didn't "give you credit" explicitly. But, I did mention that I got the information elsewhere.

Believe me, I could care less about taking credit for your post, so apologies if this offended you. I'm in the business of ridding the system of these spamming pirates, and am definitely making some progress. I think we are on the same side of the battlefield.

Good luck with your efforts.

Dhayman

dyhayman I don't think you owe anyone one an apology, your mind and heart are in the right place. The Cpays issue concerns all parties in the gambling industry.

Doing things for the right reasons is paramount. It seems quite apparent to me Lotso is infected with notoriety disease. When I post I could care less about the browny points, after all "a candle loses nothing by lighting another candle".

Lotso signature "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too." Voltaire

I studied philos sophia (love of wisdom) for seven years. Voltaire 17th century French philosopher used this quote in the context of religious freedom. He rejected all dogmatic religions because it did not allow for freedom of thought. The French eventually outcasted him for his radical views and he died in 1778.

Perhaps Lotso if you have some useful information to post do it for the right reasons. In your idiotlogical world I should be getting paid to make this post. This I believe is a public forum or I am wrong? dyhayman has done nothing wrong. In addition I feel you should retract your slanderous statement or forever have my finger pointing at you.

In regards to Cpays I find searching for things like you average neophyte does little good. Find the root of the problem and cut it down at the source.

A hint what does cpays and 888 have in common? Find out and you have your answer. Is "aimer" an affiliate of Cpays I think not.

greek39

 

[lots0]

Thank you both for all your kind words...

dyhayman You don't need the information I have...

Heck, the greek can fix it all for you, just listen to him/her... Greek has done such a good job stopping the spam in the past and rooting out all this useful information, I am sure he can do it all for you.... So I'll just shut up and go about my business and let greek fix it all up for you. Of course greek will have to stop talking in riddles and start talking straight first... wait, I don't think that is possible.


Oh ya dhayman, I am going to steal some content from your site, but hey its going to be for a good cause (So I can make some more money. Is that not why you stole the content from here, so you could stop the spammers and make more money yourself? - now that's self interest) so I am not really stealing it according you... Oh ya, I will tell everyone it is from a "another site" so that should make it all better... {sarcasm}

dyhayman I just have to ask this... You really don't see the irony in stealing content to try to stop someone from stealing your content???

And yes you stole the content without giving a link or written credit, what else you gonna call it... borrowing it without asking?

dyhayman Funny you and greek show up here right AFTER a new wave of SPAM has hit...

BTW - I like Voltare - And I like religious freedom and the freedom to be free of religion...

In America the battle to outlaw online gambling is a religious battle. Those that want to force their religion on other people - and those that don't want someone else’s religion forced on them.

 

[jargon]

Thank you lotso for your vacant comments, you must have lots of rental space in your head.

greek39

 

[kwblue]

ok guys... let's keep this on topic. This is about 'blacklisting cpays, clubdice, carnival, new york, usa casino, and cdpoker' - not about anything else.

Let's do an update....

Last check:

CPays Spammer 'aimer' is still alive and thriving. Although the plone spam wave was halted (for the most part), it is beginning to have a resurgence of sorts.

Here is the what addresses are currently being spammed by 'aimer':

Pharma SPAM
xxhttp://www.setric.org/setric/portal_memberdata/portraits/comd
xxhttp://www.setric.org/setric/portal_memberdata/portraits/afal
AND others on this domain such as gogi, balda, ash, fusher, rogov, stalin, lenin, etc...

xxhttp://www.engineering.ucl.ac.uk/portal_memberdata/portraits/bums
xxhttp://www.engineering.ucl.ac.uk/portal_memberdata/portraits/alas
AND - ahas, rembo

xxhttp://www.marktwainpto.org/Members/ops/1_amoxicillin.html
xxhttp://www.marktwainpto.org/Members/ops/acyclovir.html
AND - adipex.html, allegra.html, ativan.html, and a ton more

xxhttp://www.anyboard.net/demos/testb/uploads/acyclovir.html
xxhttp://www.anyboard.net/demos/testb/uploads/1_adipex.html
AND - tons more

xxhttp://strange.toheart.to/urlmemo/cache/20060919043804.html
AND - many more of these strange numbered html files

xxhttp://ntc.egerton.ac.ke/Members/bucks/alprazolam.html
AND - many more of these drug.html files

xxhttp://www.campus.enea.it/Members/ops/ambien.html
AND - many more of these drug.html files (same as others above, different spammed domain)

xxhttp://ingenieria.ean.edu.co/Members/batva/ativan.html
(Same as above)

xxhttp://katrina.telascience.org/Members/rol/ambien.html
(Same as above)

xxhttp://plone.gufi.org/Collaboratori/rek/ambien.html
(Same as above)


Financial SPAM
xxhttp://hometown.aol.de/prevedkirkoroff/cl.html
xxhttp://hometown.aol.de/prevedkirkoroff/rl.html
AND - cc.html, ci.html, fl.html, pl.html, and too many others to list


** I'm done - Too many to post


SO - right now they are focusing on Pharma, Financial, and Gay Porn.


I hope that is where they keep their focus, but I think not.

 

[jargon]

Just a question if this is a cpays issue why then upon visiting xww.casinos777portal.com/ I find the following:
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entercasino.com Not a cpays brand ! aff tag 163000 Does cpays offer this brand, if so where is it?
Administrative Contact:
EMPIRE ONLINE Ltd.

Registrant Contact:
EMPIRE ONLINE Ltd.
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clubdicecasino.com

Administrative Contact:
EMPIRE ONLINE Ltd.

Registrant:
Empire Online Ltd
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Newyorkcasino.com

PDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET 204.74.108.1

EMPIRE ONLINE Ltd.

PDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET 204.74.108.1
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carnivalcasino.com

Registrant:
Empire Online Ltd

Registrant:
Empire Online Ltd
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
usacasino.com

PDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET 204.74.108.1

EMPIRE ONLINE Ltd.

PDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET 204.74.108.1
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There are two aff tags on this site "aimer" and 16300000. I always have more, but I will tell you this with confidence. The spammy affiliate is belongs to Empire and is not Russian.

My theory was asking myself "what is the common denominator between 888 and cpays?" Empire of course and cpays is having a tough time as did 888 in correcting the spam situation.

Is this non cryptic enough for everyone? Now go get famous lotso.

Sorry forum moderators for the rude comments.
greek39

 

[kwblue]

Hate to disagree with you here.. But...


'aimer' is using CPays tagging, so is tracked by CPays and paid by CPays. Nothing cryptic about that one. I don't care if they are from Jamaica - they should be stopped.

As any spammer would do.... Diversify. Entercasino is new and welcomes them as an affiliate. That just gives them more possibilities for income if CPays ever decides to stop paying.


I agree that Empire is likely part of this, but CPays still pays them.

 

[jargon]

I agree cpays are responsible for their brands and should be held accountable. My point was the affiliates belong to Empire and not cpays. We witnessed this very same scenario with 888.

greek39