God save Obama

re: the obama/mccain coverage, even beyond the fact that not a single person has explained or defined what makes an article "negative", there's a big difference in how they campaigned.

Obama campaigned in specifics about issues, legislation and made very specific promises and outlined his political platform.

McCain and Palin campaigned on a platform of negativity and fear.

Clearly when you let loose with quotes like "Obama is palling around with terrorists" or you can't coherently answer a single interview question from Katie Couric, or you can't name a single magazine or newspaper you read, or that you have foreign policy experience because Putin might fly over Alaska to come to the US, or you repeatedly blunder and misstate facts, or you repeatedly question someone's religion and patriotism or claim the Vice President is in charge of the Senate, or that death panels are going to be created you are going to attract far more negative articles than candidates who shockingly actually stick to political issues and rise above mud slinging character attack politics, (ie, the Karl Rove campaign special). If anything, Palin received far less proportionate articles for the sheer amount of hyperbolic drivel and baseless, disprovable character attacks that came out of her mouth during that particular election cycle.

There's a reason why the rating of negative opinion of Palin was at an all time high during the 2008 election cycle, and why she has a higher negative rating still than nearly every member of congress including polarizing politicians such as Nancy Pelosi and Michelle Bachman. I mean she just had a speaking engagement benefitting military families cancelled because there was an overwhelmingly negative response.

Let's be honest, 2008 had little to do with John McCain. It mostly dealt with the failed presidency of George W. Bush, the optimism offered by Obama, and the cynical nomination of Palin for VP by a desperate GOP who assumed they had no other shot of winning, as well as the subsequent revelation that she was completely unprepared to hold any kind of political office. McCain and Biden were barely even persons of interest during the election cycle.

I really hope she is the nominee in 2012, she is pretty much the only person the GOP could nominate that Obama has 0% chance of losing to, especially with her violence-encouraging comments (Beck too) that ended in the Gabrielle Giffords debacle.
 
YES! EXACTLY! We should compare the two. In doing so then why would you be for socialist values? Why would you be against the principles that made America so strong? Why would you be against sturdy self reliance? For govt reliance? Against free market values? for govt control? Against individual rights? For govt controlled enterprise?

Think about it.

LOl - I missed this before.

Yes I am against the "free market".

You do understand that America was a
Protectionist Country up until 1994...right? Ever heard of NAFTA?

So called 'free trade' had nothing whatsoever to do with making America great... Trade Protectionism helped make America Great. Quit listening to all that misinformation on Fox.

Actually, once America started "free trade' in 1994 our Economy started to go down as jobs left to countries with lower pay and less regulation. A lot of very smart people believe that enacting NAFTA "Free Trade" was what started this Great Recession in the first place.

In 1992 Ross Perot said NAFTA (Free Trade) would sound like a great sucking sound as jobs and money left the economy...
Actually it has sounded more like a long sad sobbing cry of pain.
 
gaydave

of the four links you put up only one actually works and it goes to AIM a radical left wing group that still tries to convince people President Obama is not a citizen, among other things.

I would no more trust AIM to be UN-biased than I would trust a Politico to keep his/her campaign promise.

No one has presented any real evidence in this thread to support the point about liberal media bias and nisosbar was correct.

Good to see you back active on the forum, Lots0.....although I respectfully disagee with every word of every opinion you have ever posted :p It's amazing, really, how 2 intelligent, thoughtful people can see reality in completely opposite views. Political forums would suck if everyone believed the same thing.
 
wow. You must have caught it at an odd time.

Seriously, just google the stats on the negative/positive stories on each side of the issue. Just goole something like msnbc or fox more biased Any of those things will put the actual facts at your fingertips and allow you to stop guessing.

No not at all. I didn't catch it at the wrong time or am I guessing.

I been working at home since Jan 2004 and have the news (Fox, CNN and MSNBC) on all day and half the night. (right now I have Beck on) I hear the same reports aired multiple times throughout the day on several networks and many times 2 and 3 times on the same network.

As a matter of fact when you hear the same report several times often more and more facts are revealed some that make you change your entire pov on the matter, formed from the version of the report aired earlier.

As an FYI although I like O'Reilly his show is often way behind on facts and much of his news content is rather stale. So those that work all day and get info just from his show usually gets an abbreivated version.

I can't even begin to count the number of times I watched his show and said to myself that is not even accurate, having already heard the report numerous times that day.

The stat about Fox having 40 postive and 40 negative stories, well I remember hearing it live on Fox when it was released. I'd be interested in seeing stats for a 6 week period of Kerry/Bush 2004.

However to be fair, I never had MSNBC until 2010 so that is my starting point for comparing the 3 major cable networks.

I watched Fox and Friends for years and now I watch Morning Joe and there is no comparison as to which are the more fair minded folks. I suggest people watch Morning Joe for a week and Fox and Friends and see for themselves.

I find I get the best grasp of the issue when I hear the same report for both sides on different networks vs. opposing views by two guests on the same networks like Fox does.
 
I tried watching Morning Joe and to be honest, it sucked:D, to each their own my friend is all I can say:)

Laurie

yes its slow and boring but the content is not full of the anti Obama
that Fox and Friends has. Like I said that gets tiring after a while.
 
Good to see you back active on the forum, Lots0.....although I respectfully disagee with every word of every opinion you have ever posted :p It's amazing, really, how 2 intelligent, thoughtful people can see reality in completely opposite views. Political forums would suck if everyone believed the same thing.
LOL Thanks.
I like arguing with you too... :p

Added - you simply can't disagree with everything... For example, I am a huge on Gun Owners Rights and the 2nd Amendment. I also like to think of myself as fiscally conservative, much along the lines of William F. Buckley Jr..



slotplayer said:
I find I get the best grasp of the issue when I hear the same report for both sides on different networks vs. opposing views by two guests on the same networks like Fox does.
I'm the same way, I'm a news junkie too. But I get a a lot of my news from outside America, (the only US News source I really trust is PBS) I watch and listen to the BBC, NHK, Pravda, chinaview and Al Jazeera among others.
You think the stories 'facts' change between US networks, you should see the differences in how stories are reported and 'facts' change between different cultures...

For example, the Chinese people still don't have a clue about what has happened in Egypt and the middle east over the last couple of weeks. Their so called 'news' refuses to publish or talk about the uprisings...

I like Morning Joe, Minka is hot and Joe is very fair mined(IMO)... for a Conservative. ;)
 
LOL Thanks.
I like arguing with you too... :p

Added - you simply can't disagree with everything... For example, I am a huge on Gun Owners Rights and the 2nd Amendment. I also like to think of myself as fiscally conservative, much along the lines of William F. Buckley Jr..




I'm the same way, I'm a news junkie too. But I get a a lot of my news from outside America, (the only US News source I really trust is PBS) I watch and listen to the BBC, NHK, Pravda, chinaview and Al Jazeera among others.
You think the stories 'facts' change between US networks, you should see the differences in how stories are reported and 'facts' change between different cultures...

For example, the Chinese people still don't have a clue about what has happened in Egypt and the middle east over the last couple of weeks. Their so called 'news' refuses to publish or talk about the uprisings...

I like Morning Joe, Minka is hot and Joe is very fair mined(IMO)... for a Conservative. ;)

I agree, Joe is quite fair minded and Minka is a hottie.
Not surprised about China. For now the Chinese folks are getting some share of the equity pie so all is well but once that stops my prediction is uprising. That will be ugly.
 
No not at all. I didn't catch it at the wrong time or am I guessing.

I been working at home since Jan 2004 and have the news (Fox, CNN and MSNBC) on all day and half the night. (right now I have Beck on) I hear the same reports aired multiple times throughout the day on several networks and many times 2 and 3 times on the same network.

As a matter of fact when you hear the same report several times often more and more facts are revealed some that make you change your entire pov on the matter, formed from the version of the report aired earlier.

As an FYI although I like O'Reilly his show is often way behind on facts and much of his news content is rather stale. So those that work all day and get info just from his show usually gets an abbreivated version.

I can't even begin to count the number of times I watched his show and said to myself that is not even accurate, having already heard the report numerous times that day.

The stat about Fox having 40 postive and 40 negative stories, well I remember hearing it live on Fox when it was released. I'd be interested in seeing stats for a 6 week period of Kerry/Bush 2004.

However to be fair, I never had MSNBC until 2010 so that is my starting point for comparing the 3 major cable networks.

I watched Fox and Friends for years and now I watch Morning Joe and there is no comparison as to which are the more fair minded folks. I suggest people watch Morning Joe for a week and Fox and Friends and see for themselves.

I find I get the best grasp of the issue when I hear the same report for both sides on different networks vs. opposing views by two guests on the same networks like Fox does.

As an example, does anyone happen to remember what the set of CNN looked like leading up to the last presidential election? Does the phrase "A BROKEN GOVERNMENT" ring a bell? The phrase was posted in big letters all over the set. Since GWB was president at the time, could viewers infer that CNN was suggesting that a change was necessary to fix it? And what was Obama's slogan? "Change for Hope", I believe.
 
"Media Bias" is a relative term.

Believe it or not, a lot of folks think President Obama is way to Conservative and some thought Bush was to Liberal... It is all how you see things (Your Personal Bias).

I think the issue should be "Fairness" in the Media and not "Bias", hell we are all biased to some extent.

Is the Media Fair??? Nope not at all, not on either side or even the middle... just my opinion..

Here is link I just had to share... (If your a big Fox Fan Don't click the link...)
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"Media Bias" is a relative term.

Believe it or not, a lot of folks think President Obama is way to Conservative and some thought Bush was to Liberal... It is all how you see things (Your Personal Bias).

I think the issue should be "Fairness" in the Media and not "Bias", hell we are all biased to some extent.

Is the Media Fair??? Nope not at all, not on either side or even the middle... just my opinion..

Here is link I just had to share... (If your a big Fox Fan Don't click the link...)
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I didnt click:D



Red Skelton--from his television show in 1969 WOW ! Just think, he said this on his television show in 1969 and really had no clue it would ever come about. SAD, isn't it? What a wonderful and worthwhile clip to watch.





Laurie

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