Another example of a bad run at Goldbeard

[daveboz]

400+ spins on Goldbeard at $1-$2 no feature LOL!

 

[rainmaker]

KasinoKing has calculated the frequency of feature hitting on this game to be 120 (number on average spins).

So yea, maybe you had a bad session. But 400 spins without any "Free spins" can happen. Get used to it.

 

[The Dude]

Another example of Lucky Red fleecing customers imo

400+ spins on Goldbeard at $1-$2 no feature LOL!

!

And another example of a troll-like post. As it has been explained ad nauseam, the casino has nothing to do with the outcome of your game play. Saying they are fleecing you is unfair to them - it's being retitled.

Please refer yourself to the forum rules before further posting. Thank you.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/forum-rules/

 

[ksech]

@daveboz...
I'm just curious....

is there ANY online casino or slot you are happy with??? it doesn't appear to be, at least since you have been a member here. Or maybe you are just a negative person by nature????

 

[nisosbar]

If you don't get the hint after 50 spins or so that the game is stone cold, then I'm sorry, but you have yourself to blame, as well.

 

[chayton]

I've never gone into a casino and played just one game - if I go into a game and I don't get a feature in the first 20 or 30 spins I try another game. If there's no payout at all I don't even stay that long. lol....maybe that's why I never win a RJ?

 

[Cleveland]

I've never gone into a casino and played just one game - if I go into a game and I don't get a feature in the first 20 or 30 spins I try another game. If there's no payout at all I don't even stay that long. lol....maybe that's why I never win a RJ?

I was thinking about that today (if I jump around too much), if it would be good to attempt to grind it out on a machine every now and again in an attempt to hit the RJ. Keep feeling like that would be throwing away money though.

 

[daveboz]

KasinoKing has calculated the frequency of feature hitting on this game to be 120 (number on average spins).

So yea, maybe you had a bad session. But 400 spins without any "Free spins" can happen. Get used to it.

I've found yes, the average on most RTG slots is around that range. You have a link to Kasino King's findings? I'm curious what his estimates are on other machines

 

[daveboz]

If you don't get the hint after 50 spins or so that the game is stone cold, then I'm sorry, but you have yourself to blame, as well.

Wow and I thought I jumped around too much. I usually spin until I hit a feature. If it seemed like an unusually high amount of spins to hit the first one I usually stick around for a second one, often comes in under 50.

Maybe I should change my way of thinking? The payouts on my features lately have been pathetic. I even ramp up my bet while losing. This strategy didn't work on Golden Glove yesterday, however, over 350 spins and no dice.

 

[rainmaker]

I've found yes, the average on most RTG slots is around that range. You have a link to Kasino King's findings? I'm curious what his estimates are on other machines

Funny thing, that is actually the only RTG game he has calculated "frequency of feature hitting"

but anyway, the link:

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[Stovetopp]

Daveboz
Hoiw would you like to spin Aztec Treasure 500 to 600 times without a feature? I don't claim its fixed BECAUSE at one stage (that was why I played 500 spins) prior to this "drought" I think I got quite a few feature and in the free spins happened to get those 5 queens with the with the multiplier
So i stopped playing that. Same thing happened to me in Rain Dance. Got the feature which gave 100 free spins and from that got a total of 1100 free spins. I cant tell now when last I saw the Indian head or a werewolf. Do i think they have me pegged? No
Its the stupid nature of slots. You just have to be "lucky"
hope my experience makes you feel better

 

[chayton]

The last few times I've played RTG I've noticed that the features seem to come all bunched together. I was playing the Monkey one and got the feature 4 times almost one right after another, same thing happened with Crystal Waters - got the feature and a retrigger, a few spins later I got the feature with two retriggers. Then it went completely dead.

 

[same_old]

I just went 634 spins on BDBA without a feature and when hit I only got 40X my bet. it happens more than you think.

 

[daveboz]

I just went 634 spins on BDBA without a feature and when hit I only got 40X my bet. it happens more than you think.

What's BDBA?

 

[Stovetopp]

I just went 634 spins on BDBA without a feature and when hit I only got 40X my bet. it happens more than you think.

I thought we were only discussing the wretched RTG
iF YOU DIDN'T HIT BDBA then you must ber quite unlucky today Seems almost all winning screenshots are BDBA and we cant play that from USA
I assum BDBA is break da bank

 

[H1_Roller]

I really do despair

daveboz, what do you want to achieve here exactly?

The regular posters on here will know by now that I'm not a troll in any sense, and I'm loathe to argue with anyone. I find arguing on an internet forum a childish and thankless task, which usually only leads one way. In fact, when an argument arises, I will always remove myself from the thread and ignore it. But your posts are just too surreal to ignore (perhaps that's your intent?).

I've only been on Casinomeister since March, but I've read countless threads, I've asked umpteen questions, and I've learned...
400+ spins without a feature means absolutely nothing whatsoever, regardless of platform, irrespective of game, even if the 'average' for a feature of a particular game is only 50 spins, never mind 120 or whatever. Starting a thread to moan about it; even more meaningless.

I recently played over 1000 (one thousand) spins on both BDBA and TSII without features, but I didn't start a thread; I just mentioned in another existing thread, but did it light-heartedly, because I know it happens.

To cut a long story short: No matter what the 'average' is, when you gamble you are not guaranteed ANYTHING.
As I said before: You need to quit.

 

[sandykauf]

I think Goldbeard is one of the toughest RTG slots to win on. The payout must be overall 15%. I sometimes think if I want to automatically drain my backroll, I'll play Goldbeard. Try it for a few spins, not good and them immediately move on. I very rarely see this slot hit for anything and it's basically a money loser (big time).

 

[nisosbar]

I think Goldbeard is one of the toughest RTG slots to win on. The payout must be overall 15%. I sometimes think if I want to automatically drain my backroll, I'll play Goldbeard. Try it for a few spins, not good and them immediately move on. I very rarely see this slot hit for anything and it's basically a money loser (big time).

Some slots ARE like that, and Goldbeard has always seemed like one of those, but when you do hit, you may end up winning bigger than typical.

 

[Gremmyboy]

I really think Dave needs to re-evaluate his mindset...!

You seem to think that gambling is designed to be a source of income for you and then complain when your expectations are not met!

Gambling is, as the name suggests a RISK. There are no guaranteed outcomes whatsoever! You could go 500 spins with no wins at all or you could go 5 spins and have a huge win! One never knows!

Seriously Dave....99% of posts/threads you create are whinging, whining and complaining about this casino or that casino and how this game or that game is rigged against you.....TIRESOME!

As most members have stated(Patiently and kindly I might add{Through Gritted teeth I presume}).....YOU NEED TO QUIT GAMBLING!


To summarise....

1)There are no guaranteed outcomes in gambling,
2) If you gamble then in the end you will always end up with losses,
3) The games are not rigged,
4) Long runs of bad luck happen all the time,
5) If gambling is making you feel miserable, mistrusting and depressed then it is a danger to your mental health and YOU NEED TO STOP!

Cheers
Gremmy

 

[daveboz]

Funny how its the same joeys who take the time to reply to every post offering their redundant opinions.
I still can't believe NIFTY had the gall to report me to Bryan for calling him a "tool." That took a lot of nerve. Looks like he got his hand slapped though.

Gremmy, how long did it take you to draw up that that post? lol

 

[daveboz]

Use the ignore feature.

I'm trying to win the 2011 Evil Player of the year award.

 

[Cleveland]

Use the ignore feature.

 

[DarkMage]

It is interesting to note many of the people who are commentating to this thread are not from the USA..


I think some of our outside of USA friends may not realize it's 2 completely different gambling worlds, not just different e-wallets.


It is my long held theory that once the USA regulates Online gambling it will most likely start with Poker but gradually expand to the Casinos, it will spell the end for the RTG platform.

 

[footdr]

Totally Agree....

I think Goldbeard is one of the toughest RTG slots to win on. The payout must be overall 15%. I sometimes think if I want to automatically drain my backroll, I'll play Goldbeard. Try it for a few spins, not good and them immediately move on. I very rarely see this slot hit for anything and it's basically a money loser (big time).

It is one of a handful of RTG slot games I stay clear of. I agree that the payout on this particular slot, is extremely low, even when hitting the bonus round.

While it might be a good slot for another player, it has never been worth it for me to play it.


I have my own thoughts on the payout percentages of various casinos, games and the randomness of online games.

Hoever, I don't want to open a can of worms or be subjected to verbal attack by other members. So I won't go there.

Sad that we can't comment as we like without fear of being attacked.

 

[chuchu59]

And another example of a troll-like post. As it has been explained ad nauseam, the casino has nothing to do with the outcome of your game play. Saying they are fleecing you is unfair to them - it's being retitled.

Please refer your self to the forum rules before further posting. Thank you.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/forum-rules/

Never mind. I understand RTG will soon release a sister slot to Happiness Golden year of the ox ie. Unhappy gloomy Year of the RAM/SHEEP to celebrate the Chinese New Year.. That's where the fleecing really begins.

 

[kauphy]

It is one of a handful of RTG slot games I stay clear of. I agree that the payout on this particular slot, is extremely low, even when hitting the bonus round.

While it might be a good slot for another player, it has never been worth it for me to play it.


I have my own thoughts on the payout percentages of various casinos, games and the randomness of online games.

Hoever, I don't want to open a can of worms or be subjected to verbal attack by other members. So I won't go there
Sad that we can't comment as we like without fear of being attacked.

very good post and i agree thank you

 

[maxd]

Funny how its the same joeys who take the time to reply to every post offering their redundant opinions. ... I'm trying to win the 2011 Evil Player of the year award.

If you keep it up with the pointless and inflammatory jabs at your fellow forum members you'll find that you'll get an "award" long before then. We call it a "vacation" and it's intended to give you some time to chill out and adjust your attitude.

 

[The Dude]

Use the ignore feature.

I'm trying to win the 2011 Evil Player of the year award.

How about "Failure to Follow Instructions" award for week 29 of 2011. 3 day vacation for ignoring my warning.

 

[felicie]

I really do despair

daveboz, what do you want to achieve here exactly?

The regular posters on here will know by now that I'm not a troll in any sense, and I'm loathe to argue with anyone. I find arguing on an internet forum a childish and thankless task, which usually only leads one way. In fact, when an argument arises, I will always remove myself from the thread and ignore it. But your posts are just too surreal to ignore (perhaps that's your intent?).

I've only been on Casinomeister since March, but I've read countless threads, I've asked umpteen questions, and I've learned...
400+ spins without a feature means absolutely nothing whatsoever, regardless of platform, irrespective of game, even if the 'average' for a feature of a particular game is only 50 spins, never mind 120 or whatever. Starting a thread to moan about it; even more meaningless.

I recently played over 1000 (one thousand) spins on both BDBA and TSII without features, but I didn't start a thread; I just mentioned in another existing thread, but did it light-heartedly, because I know it happens.

To cut a long story short: No matter what the 'average' is, when you gamble you are not guaranteed ANYTHING.
As I said before: You need to quit.

He doesn't sound any worse than the rest of the people in here that get sick of sitting on a long bad streak. The minute he wins he'll feel differently, we all do. It's called gambling.

 

[Zoozie]

#spins to hit scatter probability chart

Here is an old post where I calculated probabilites for hitting scatters within a given number of spins. 400 spins is really nothing, probability for that is around 5%.
With your slot experience I am sure you know better and just was trolling...

I myself have been at 1200 spins once (on Iris) and very often over 800 spins.
If you want to hit scatters all the time, go play "5 reel circus" at Rival Casinos, you will hit the feature all the time, but of course it will not pay much. You can not
both get frequent feature and high wins on the features.


https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/scattered-odds.16965/

 

[ksech]

/derail/ welcome back Nifty... I know I may be in the minority with the greeting

Anyways...
I never had any or much luck with Gold beard myself, when I did hit the wins weren't very big. I used to do pretty good playing Honey to the Bee (?) and The Penguin one (sorry it's been so long I can't remember the names of some of them). The Wizard one when it would hit could pay out pretty decent. And I liked the Santa one with the naught and nice helpers. There were a few I definitely steered cleared of, but I have to think on it for a bit as I've totally put them someplace that I can't even remotely begin to even remember what they are (another sign of old age and prescription drugs ). If I think of them I will post them...

Around this time last year (I think) pinababy did a thread about how long you could make a small deposit last on varius platforms. I will see if I can find the link to it. It was pretty interesting to see the stats for different games.

 

[KasinoKing]

Funny thing, that is actually the only RTG game he has calculated "frequency of feature hitting"

but anyway, the link:

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That's because I didn't work it out!
That figure was posted by DogBoy a couple of years back in a thread somewhere around this forum.

I would like to know the odds of features on loads more games, but working out the reel layouts is tedious, boring & VERY time-comsuming...

KK

 

[ksech]

Okay, here is the thread Pinababy69 started...
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/typical-rtg-session-for-me-with-bonus.37548/

it was using a bonus at iNetBet with a small deposit, showing the outcomes on different slots to make WR. If a mod wants to move this to start a new thread (if anyone is interested in re-debating outcomes for RTG slots and so we aren't necroing an old thread ) please do!

 

[weplant]

I was thinking about that today (if I jump around too much), if it would be good to attempt to grind it out on a machine every now and again in an attempt to hit the RJ. Keep feeling like that would be throwing away money though.

I think when you are going to hit a RJ you are going to hit it..I hit one at Alladians Gold and it was probobly on my 10th spin..Good luck..

 

[chayton]

Funny how its the same joeys who take the time to reply to every post offering their redundant opinions.
I still can't believe NIFTY had the gall to report me to Bryan for calling him a "tool." That took a lot of nerve. Looks like he got his hand slapped though.

Gremmy, how long did it take you to draw up that that post? lol

Karma's a b*tch huh?

 

[weplant]

It is one of a handful of RTG slot games I stay clear of. I agree that the payout on this particular slot, is extremely low, even when hitting the bonus round.

While it might be a good slot for another player, it has never been worth it for me to play it.


I have my own thoughts on the payout percentages of various casinos, games and the randomness of online games.

Hoever, I don't want to open a can of worms or be subjected to verbal attack by other members. So I won't go there.

Sad that we can't comment as we like without fear of being attacked.

Well footdr, I would love to hear your thoughts on payout percentages of various games. It is sad that if we complain about a really bad game it opens up a can of worms.. You can pm me if you like..Good luck to everyone on every game

 

[ksech]

I think each player has his/her own perceptions of how a slot pays out (JMO) and there isn't anything wrong with that. What is wrong is when someone tries to force feed some kind of conspiracy theory of how a casino rigs a slot so only certain players can win ( and yes there have been a small contingent who have tried to strong arm the community here into believing they are all rigged ).

There is nothing wrong with having a healthy debate on which may be a favorite slot, not everyone is going to enjoy the same thing all the time, if we did what a boring lot we would be! What I don't enjoy is coming here and reading the continuous pissing and moaning from the same newbies in multiple threads about the same thing. In the 4 short years I have been an active member and the previous 5 years I was a lurker I've mostly enjoyed reading what MOST of the newbies have contributed. You need the new to keep things fresh, but you also need the old to keep an even keel... experience.

In the last year or two I've seen many valued members depart for whatever reasons. Our loss for sure, because they took with them much knowledge we can't begin to imagine. Each one of us helps to make this site complete, Bryan, webzcas, simmo, maxd, the casino reps, and the members...If we can't have rational, friendly debate/discussion to learn. to share... then what the fuck are we doing here????

 

[kauphy]

He doesn't sound any worse than the rest of the people in here that get sick of sitting on a long bad streak. The minute he wins he'll feel differently, we all do. It's called gambling.

mines been going on so long that i,ve forgotten what it feel like to win lol.

but you are so right we all feel this way at one time or the other and right when we win we feel better.

but things are so tight right now its unbelivable.

but good post anyway ty

 

[jod5413]

/derail/ welcome back Nifty... I know I may be in the minority with the greeting

Glad you are back, Nifty!! Like Ksech said, I may be in the minority also. However, this "minority" we are in has a hell of a lot more knowledge and value than the newbies put together. And, that's the truth!

It seems like nowadays we get new members that immediately demand we listen to them and they feel free to diss older members. They do not "discuss" things, they belligerently "get in the face" of anyone that disagrees. While some of us are a bit "sharp" sometimes, we mean well and WE USUALLY KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT and do not appreciate the smart ass crap we put up with when we open our mouths.

It goes both ways, people. I will not "name" names. You know who you are. And I know who I am, an imperfect but savvy member. And the BS about being "afraid to post" is not only a cop out, it is truly the mark of a manipulative personality, IMO

Welcome Back, Nifty.


Oh yeah, sorry for the derail.

 

[rainmaker]

I would also like to say welcome back Nifty

Me too....sorry for the derail

 

[Gremmyboy]

<derail>

Welcome Back Nifty!

Been quiet(read: Boring) around here without you!


</derail>

Cheers
Gremmy

 

[footdr]

Glad you are back, Nifty!! Like Ksech said, I may be in the minority also. However, this "minority" we are in has a hell of a lot more knowledge and value than the newbies put together. And, that's the truth!

It seems like nowadays we get new members that immediately demand we listen to them and they feel free to diss older members. They do not "discuss" things, they belligerently "get in the face" of anyone that disagrees. While some of us are a bit "sharp" sometimes, we mean well and WE USUALLY KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT and do not appreciate the smart ass crap we put up with when we open our mouths.

It goes both ways, people. I will not "name" names. You know who you are. And I know who I am, an imperfect but savvy member. And the BS about being "afraid to post" is not only a cop out, it is truly the mark of a manipulative personality, IMO

Welcome Back, Nifty.


Oh yeah, sorry for the derail.

It seems like nowadays we get new members that immediately demand we listen to them and they feel free to diss older members

I have been a member here longer than you yet you feel free to diss me, isn't that somewhat hypocritical.

And the BS about being "afraid to post" is not only a cop out, it is truly the mark of a manipulative personality, IMO

let me explain what I said, it is not worth posting some comments as you open yourself up to people like yourself and others(you know who you are) who don't provide factual rebuttals but instead simply comment that the poster is stupid or has their own agenda or some other simple-minded comment that helps nobody. By the way, you mention "manipulative personality", do you have a degree in psycology? By the comments you make, I would say you probably don't.

Apparently other members agree with me. I do agree with you on one thing, you are in the minority.

 

[jod5413]

Gold Beard and I have a love, hate relationship. He either gives me everything or nothing. GGLaurie said a long time ago that if you weren't getting two coins, only one here and there, you would get no bonus round. I laughed, said come on, that is crazy. Every time I play I watch for those coins. Laurie was right.

 

[felicie]

I missed ya nifty welcome back.

 

[ksech]

@footdr, my post wasn't directed directly at you , so I hope you didn't take it as such. It was meant as a generalization. Lately, it seems like there has been an upward trend of "its my way only" of newbies (maybe it's just my imagination). There should NEVER be ANY member afraid to post THEIR opinion, because after all it is their opinion and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

When you have a debate, you must be able to be flexible to perhaps SEE the other side or possibilities. Of course, there will always be the ones who have tunnel vision and can't see possible detours.

We all know the situation for US players absolutely sucks. Payouts delayed, deposit options dwindling away. Casino choices becoming almost extinct.

Okay, back on topic....


****side note....I do have a minor degree in abnormal psychology does that count?***

 

[Cleveland]

Lately, it seems like there has been an upward trend of "its my way only" of newbies (maybe it's just my imagination). There should NEVER be ANY member afraid to post THEIR opinion, because after all it is their opinion and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Only problem with that is when their opinion is based off extemley faulty logic. That opinion is then broadcast to thousands which directly effects a business.

You can go around saying Mcdonalds is a bad place to eat because they use cat meat for their burgers. You may truly believe that based on what you heard but it doesn't change the fact that by you broadcasting your opinion on a major forum, you are spreading out right lies about a business that could in turn hurt their bottom line.

One could even argue that someone telling someone else that their opinion is false is merely that person exercising his freedom and right to tell someone else that they are wrong. We could easily argue in circles on this one. But I'm of the opinion that trying to hide behind the line "it's my opinion" is BS. On certain subjects you're either right or wrong.

In a nutshell: I'm just saying nobody should be afraid to post what they "think" but they shouldn't be afraid to have that post criticized. Welcome to the world of facts and ideas.

Sorry to go off topic of the original thread.

edit: Read a few post I missed in this thread and it seems more is going on in it than I thought. Just wanted to point out that my post was directly related to the single topic I quoted and not this thread.

 

[daveboz]

Here is an old post where I calculated probabilites for hitting scatters within a given number of spins. 400 spins is really nothing, probability for that is around 5%.
With your slot experience I am sure you know better and just was trolling...

I myself have been at 1200 spins once (on Iris) and very often over 800 spins.
If you want to hit scatters all the time, go play "5 reel circus" at Rival Casinos, you will hit the feature all the time, but of course it will not pay much. You can not
both get frequent feature and high wins on the features.


https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/scattered-odds.16965/

if this is truly the case then feature payouts + RJ's should be huge! RJ's are rare but are factored in. Tugh to maintain a 75% RTP at 400 spins average before hitting a feature though, that's robbery.

 

[daveboz]

What's with the reference to Nifty and welcome back on this thread? Don't see a post from him.

 

[Nifty29]

if this is truly the case then feature payouts + RJ's should be huge! RJ's are rare but are factored in. Tugh to maintain a 75% RTP at 400 spins average before hitting a feature though, that's robbery.

RJs account for 1.5% of RTP.

Where you get the 75% RTP figure from I do not know.

400 spins before a feature isn't unusual. If it happened every time it would be suspicious, but it doesn't, so it isn't.

 

[gerilege]

My 2cents on Goldbeard.

One of my favorite slots. I would compare it to SuperSuits @ 3Dice. Extremely dry outside feature play. This is only my best guess, but I would say if the overall RTP is 95%, then normal game payout contributes with around 30-40%, while feature payout with around 60-70% to that overall RTP.
Also worth mentioning that the feature in my experience tends to either pay in the 10-40 x total bet range, or in the 100+ x total bet range on that game, end there is not much in between. If you get a few wilds on reel1 and reel3 in the feature, you reach 100x, if you don't, you will stay lowish. This is of course a generalized approach, but probably helps you understanding how the game works.
Another example for the feature of Goldbeard:
Imagine a Jacks or better VP game in which you can not control which cards to hold. Instead of a normal full pay game you only get your bet back for each winning hand below (and including) straight, you get 10x bet for a flush, but everything which is at least a full house will pay 100x bet.
In general, games with extra wilds added during feature to an otherwise unchanged reel strip tend to have higher feature contribution to the payout (Avalon, Mad Hatters, Paydirt, etc).