Rivals dropping like flies

[dominique]

Planet 23 and Apollo are both closing their doors. Apparently because of issues with Rival.

Looks bad for Rivals...

From what I know ( I may be wrong, there may be others) the only Rival not using the Rival software processing is Slotocash.

I would be careful depositing into other Rivals at this time...

[jelsmith]

Flies stick to shite

[KasinoKing]

Planet 23 and Apollo are both closing their doors. Apparently because of issues with Rival.

Looks bad for Rivals...

From what I know ( I may be wrong, there may be others) the only Rival not using the Rival software processing is Slotocash.

I would be careful depositing into other Rivals at this time...

Just to clarify; from what I understand it is just the Affiliate / Casino Management who are quitting - the casinos themselves will probably carry on running as normal, but under 100% Rival control. (As what happened with Tradition casino).

Box24/Black Diamond and BetUS also do NOT use Rivals processor.

However, I must agree - this does not look good at all for Rival casinos.

KK

[Webzcas]

Are planet23 definately closing? Not that I play there or promote them, but just very interested.

If so do you have a source Dom, or did you hear on the grapevine?

[vinylweatherman]

Just to clarify; from what I understand it is just the Affiliate / Casino Management who are quitting - the casinos themselves will probably carry on running as normal, but under 100% Rival control. (As what happened with Tradition casino).

Box24/Black Diamond and BetUS also do NOT use Rivals processor.

However, I must agree - this does not look good at all for Rival casinos.

KK

So, no change there then

The closure of Vanguard and Slot power showed that it was REALLY a marketing portal, or "super affiliate", in charge of MARKETING the casinos. They had NO POWER to change the customer experience which was run by Rival, but ONLY the power to design and market the various promotions.

Nothing is going to IMPROVE now that the marketing partners have walked, and if such professionals decide to walk because Rival are providing such a poor level of service, surely PLAYERS ought to seriously consider taking the same walk with them.

Rival are slowly bleeding to death, yet seem unwilling to take action to stem the losses. Rival management need to consult their remaining partners, and come up with improvements that will encourage them to stay.

This entire arrangement has always been less than transparent, and we now know that we have been regularly misinformed in the past so as to prevent the nature of the arrangement from becoming known. Initially, Rival were "just the software provider", an argument which was steadily weakened when it seemed that casino OPERATORS often used the excuse that they had little or no control over even the minor issues, and had to get back to "the software provider" about issues that had nothing to do with the gaming software, but rather decisions that had been made on player accounts.

I suspect the Tradition fiasco put the boot in, since after this the hemorrhage of "marketing partners" began, and perhaps with an accompanying hemorrhage of players.

There is more chance of England winning the world cup than of Rival emerging from this pile of $h1t smelling of roses

[Webzcas]

There is more chance of England winning the world cup than of Rival emerging from this pile of $h1t smelling of roses

Slight derail. But the weather report today was not very good. There are reports of a shower of shite heading back to England from South Africa today.

[dominique]

From my mailbox:

Dear affiliates,

This Sunday, the 27th of June, I was notified by the owners of Planet23 of the termination of my employment.
Sadly, my working at Planet23 has come to an end. Due to owners and investors policy, the company took a decision to terminate all affiliate deals within the immediate time until they solve management issues with RIVAL.
I (sadly but formally) ask you to take us off your domains and from any other activity until a further formal notice made by Planet23.
Any future communication with Planet23 should and will be made via this address: affiliates at planet23.com
Planet23 management will be available for your questions at this address.

I wish you all the best,
A.

and

Dear affiliates, Due to the ongoing issues we are having with processing and Rival management we will be closing down our site in the next few days. We are committed to providing top standards of gaming and support to both players and affiliates. This decision was not easy , but the ongoing issues are not allowing us to offer these standards. Please terminate all affiliate deals within the immediate , we hope (we can't enforce this as its Rival that holds all fees), that Rival will respect and honor the current and future revenue that you are entitled to. Thank your, Michael and Emma, Royal Apollo Affiliates

What apparently happened is that Rival is now holding 40% of all deposits for an extremely long time. Hence the small casinos have to close there is no way they can pay Rival, employees, winners and affiliates.

The above is hear-say and not verified by me as yet.

[KasinoKing]

Hence the small casinos have to close there is no way they can pay Rival, employees, winners and affiliates.

AFAIK the small casinos don't pay winners and affiliates - Rival hold all the money and do all the paying (or not).
Logically then, the casinos don't pay Rival either.
What all that boils down to is that Rival are not paying the owners of the casinos their share of the profits - and so they can't pay their employees. That's why they're shutting down.

Just my interpretation of the facts I have gathered over the years - this has not been confirmed as gospel by anyone that I know of.

KK

[PaaskeDKnowUK]

Hi there

I recently started playing at VegasAces Casino, and i really like the software but never played so much on Rival casinos, as some times the money i deposited just went straight in the bin in short time
But ive decieded to give it a go again with VegasAces casino

But i sent them all my identity docs etc and asked how long they are with withdrawals etc..., and it all seems quite positive?
I recieved answer within 1 hour


Thank you for contacting VegasAces Casino,

We have received and uploaded your documentation in your account, will be reviewed and eventual approved by our processing department. We also need you print, and sign the form we sent you in our other email.

As far as payouts, we can send your money back via Money Bookers, it will take 3 business days to be processed, and few minutes to hit your Money Bookers, once the money are removed from your account.


Now that they are actually part of BetUS, does it mean they are good? and that i havent got any risk depositing here?
Just because i see all this negative talk about Rivals now, so im a bit worried etc, just want to be sure i can deposit and dont risk never seeing any withdrawals.....

But this casino should be fine as i understand, because they are run trough BetUS? sorry guys just really confused right now hehe, because everyone screaming on other forums to stay away from rivals

[dominique]

Since BetUS apparently doesn't use rival processing, it's a better bet than the ones who do.

I wouldn't leave any funds lying around though...looks like there are just a lot of other issues now too. Processing was and remains the major one though, and the casinos handling their own appear to have a better chance.

Notice though that my language is very tentative here...