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Hey Bryan, hope you're doing well. Just wanted to report that my son, 19 and in the navy, was underage at a vegas casino, and all they did, when they caught him, was to usher him out with his bucks in a cup-- it's illegal here in the USA to allow someone to make a bet, then deny their winnings, regardless of any and all other circumstances (too drunk, too young, etc.).
Grand Prive has been rogue in their behavior ever since I've known them. I grant them the "blow me" award (even if I am a gal).
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Sorry for the rant but here goes
Bryan I am glad that you didn't just let this issue die. And I commend you for punishing Grand Prive for their behavior.
You probably experienced the same treatment from them via e-mail that I did.
Bella Vegas absolutely should not carry the Ecogra seal of approval. And the blacklisting of Bella Vegas is actaully the blacklisting of Ecogra, because Ecogra is approving and recommending a rogue casino.
I will tell you one thing, after playing at Bella Vegas for a couple of months on a weekly basis and getting paid whenever I won I had no idea that I was not a legitmiate player. When I registered there, like in many other online casinos, I always looked for the 18+ symbol. Once I saw this symbol I figured that I was ok to register and play there. And I didn't have any problems using my correct date of birth and home city and state.
Does anyone out there really think that Bella Vegas cares about the age of 21? I was not 10 years old or 13 years old, I was 19---which is more than 18if I'm doing the math right. And it's 18+ at Bella Vegas. Unless you win and then they don't want to pay you!
Below is an e-mail sent from Bella Vegas
Dear,
You may or may not be aware of this, all the Casino accounts have been locked.
It has come to our Attention that you are under the age of 21 years and that you too are using a foreign currency to play with at our casino.
Below is a list of all the accounts with our group of casinos. The amounts used to Purchase and the outstanding amounts that have already been returned to the Neteller account used to fund the Casino accounts. The total amount used to purchase has already been returned to you. So there is no out standing amounts that are due to you!
Yours Faithfully
Relations Manager
Nice, huh? Do you see how they also used the 'wrong currency' reason as a reason not to pay me? And when I showed them that nowhere in the terms did it say this, then they zeroed in on the age issue. It is crystal clear that they were looking for a reason, any reason, not to pay me.
Four times a week they sent me e-mail to come and play, and I did. And look what I got. Nothing.
Thank you again Bryan.
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Autumn did Bella or any of the other GP casinos ask you for ID on any of your cashouts before hitting the 20K? Is there a reason why you were playing in foreign currency?
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To answer the questions trkwak...Bella Vegas didn't ask for my ID until I made the large cash out. And the reason for the pounds well my momma didn't raise no dummy becasue pounds is worth more than dollars (in bonus money).
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Just for my own curiosity autumn12, I was wondering how you were able to purchase/play in pounds when you live in the US?Originally Posted by autumn12
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mmmm, Foxy.
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The amounts used to Purchase and the outstanding amounts that have already been returned to the Neteller account used to fund the Casino accounts. The total amount used to purchase has already been returned to you. So there is no out standing amounts that are due to you!
Operators: If you don't know what Transparency means, then here you go.....now how about practicing it?
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Thanks Bryan... You did the right thing... way to go.
This is from the Grand Prive site.....responsible gaming ......ha!
http://www.grandprive.com/responsible.asp
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Autumn12, I guess you did not read/understand the general terms and conditions on the Bella Vegas website, to wit:
The casino is limited to individuals of legal age of majority in their jurisdiction (the "Player"). You cannot play under any circumstances if you are not at least eighteen years of age, however, should the legal age of majority in your jurisdiction be older than eighteen – you shall abide by those restrictions.
Any and all play by any ineligible person shall be voided, including any winnings accruing to any ineligible person.
Players residing in the United States of America may only wager in US dollar.
I am done with this thread and hope it goes away.........
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That's like asking me how I can play in US$. I don't understand your reasoning here suzecat? Unless it's based on the T&C's of "Players residing in the United States of America may only wager in US dollar.".
Which really is a farse as the casino accepted 17 deposits and all corrisponding wagers placed.
What I do understand is that autumn12 has suplied Grand Prive` Group (Belle Vegas) with proof of ID docs and signed up with factual information. She's made 4 withdrawls of which I'm also sure she'd have supplied verifaction for @ least the $5K one too. GPG accepted her wagers they should pay her, no if's not buts...
(Suzecat my appologies if I mis-interprited your post)
Last edited by AussieDave; 31st March 2006 at 07:49 AM.
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When I played there they did not have a term that Pounds are not allowed for US players
They added it after I played , I think couple of months after.
That was number one.
Number two, they never asked for documents for my $5000 cashout.
The only time they asked for document was for the 20,000K
I registered with my real and correct date of birth from the beginning
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