Bellavegas(Microgaming) won't pay 20K

[Dirk Diggler]

Good to see that Bryan has done the right thing and rogued these selective followers of t&cs.

I must say it's now even more blatantly obvious that these selectively invoked this underage rule after seeing they had no problems with the player having accounts at SIX of their casinos when they were an overall loser . Yeah, they could have been following protocol to let the player cashout a $5K win when they were an overall loser, and only envoke it when the player had a big win that put them in profit ...... then OJ Simpson may have actually NOT murdered his ex-wife. My personal opinion on both is exactly the same as the the US civil courts.

Bryan - I can accept your support of eCOGRA on this occasion (though not entirely agree with it), but the question that needs to be answered is how on earth can eCOGRA continue to 'approve' this group?

If they do after this fiasco (and lets not forget their regular other mishaps,
Refuse bonus after INVITING player/ Unclear T&Cs/ eCOGRA wrongly backing them!! - to name but a few) how can any player seriously rely on ecogra approved casinos?

[suzecat]

Originally Posted by caruso

You covered pretty much all angles there. Still sucks for the player, but I suppose she can take some "comfort" from the fact that the casino emerges from this with its credibility and reputation around its ankles, and in as public a manner as is possible.

Kudos for that caruso! Timely topic as this is being tossed about here in the US (underage gambling). It would seem prudent to conclude this fiasco with the casinos taking a firm stand on their due diligence operation, unless of course, they are not that interested in cementing their ability to do business with US players. Kyl, et al., are using the underage card to promote their argument against internet gambling. Take that away and much of the steam evaporates. Just a thought.

[jetset]

QUOTE: i think grandprive have had this one coming to them for a long time. UNQUOTE

I'd have to agree with this. Over the past year they just seem to have gone to hell in a handbasket, and one can only wonder how they have dropped off so steeply.

[caruso]

Prive should certainly now be a strong candidate for the first ever eCOGRA delisting. Can they realistically be allowed to carry the seal at this point? Surely not.

[Dirk Diggler]

Whatever happens from now on I believe this is a bit of a travesty for the whole industry.

eCOGRA are supposedly the regulator in the industry that are independent and going to bring it into the 20th (forget 21st by this behaviour) century. But they allow an approved member to confiscate $20K from an underage gambler and profit from it.....All that does is feed many players opinions that all they are is MGS/Cassava under another name.

I personally thought/hoped the industry was passed this, but while sh*t like this continues to happen I'm not surprised to see US politicians trying to ban online gambling. It can only fuel their argument that it is protecting US citizens.

[paul02085]

Thank you Casinomeister for doing the right thing. Ever since i first read about this situation i have felt it was a scam job by Grand Prive. Their refusal to give the money to a charity (a very fair way to settle this IMO) shows it was about the money all along.

I surely think Ecogra will delist Grand Prive and rightly so.

My main point is that Casinomeister has proven again that he stands for what is right, not what is "politically expedient" and this deepens my respect for him more than ever.

Thank you again Mr. Meister

[amandajm]

Of course Bella are rogue. I agree.

Not based on non compliance of Nevada law(s) though. I wish you never went for this Bryan.

Ladbrokes apparently ok. (no us players accepted)
Con apparently rogue. (us players accepted)
32red apparently rogue. (changed their minds to accept us players)

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I disagree with this can of worms being opened. Pay the girl or every casino must copy Ladbrokes.

It is not often I am less harsh than the Meister. Good to see, whether I agree or not.

I just don't want to see the Meister close for lack of adverts, but as it stands are'nt all the casinos promoted here as much in breach as Grand Prive?

[GemG7]

What I don't get is the previous cash out for $5000. The first time I cashed out at a Grand Prive Casino(CGB) it was August 2005 and I had to send them a copy of my drivers license and utility bill and that cashout was for a little more then $1000. Wouldn't they have asked Autumn12 for the same identification documents when she cashed out the previous $5000? Surely they would have seen she was underage and living in Nevada before she hit the 20K? Did they turn a blind eye then because it was under 10K?

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by scrollock

it wouldnt be that expensive for them to add a few lines of code to the software to check the age and country, jeez i could write it in basic now

10 rem check age and country
20 if country$="usa" and age<21 then print "you are not old enough to play at this casino, so f*** off"

LOL - exactly something I would have done (that's BASIC before it became a bit more structured) But nowadays, I can also write that in structured BASIC, plus Perl, Javascript, PHP, SHTML, and of course VBScript to boot!

The whole point is - they didn't do it - whether from ignorance, forgetfulness, laziness, whatever - one thing for sure, they cannot claim that it was too hard or complicated to do.

[Trezz]

Originally Posted by jetset

Over the past year they just seem to have gone to hell in a handbasket, and one can only wonder how they have dropped off so steeply.

The downhill turn coincides with Marc's replacement.

The feasibility that the upper echelons within Grand Prive` are unaware of major problems that the left & right hands are causing begs strong opposition imo.


I'm sorry but this next part I'm sure this will ruffles a few people's feathers, if not bust the hinges on Pandora’s box.

For example eCogra, in my view it's a huge conflict of interest. MGS/CON funded its set-up costs and both CEO's (MGS & CON) sit on the board of Directors.

Whilst I acknowledge the high calibre of Independent Directors, as you can see their sole purpose is to gauge which software developers are accepted as members & what operators can display the eCogra Seal. Apart from Casino On Net the rest are all MG casinos.

Can you say "BIASED" boys and girls.

Hence I'm kind of lost understanding the obvious witch hunt that took place over SafeBet (RTG's excomm'd players protection seal). Yet here is eCogra sealing 99% of MG casinos, whilst on the other hand is doing nothing about a Sealed Casino that is on the verge of rogue status. Personally I don't see the difference between the two!


Visiting the following URL: http://www.ecogra.com/About/DEFAULT.asp

eCogra states "The primary objective of eCOGRA is to provide player protection, by providing comfort to the player that the games are fair, the player will be paid timeously and treated fairly, and that the operators will behave responsibly. Players will be assured of this when they transact with online gaming sites displaying the eCOGRA Seal of Approval."

And Grand Prive` Group conforms to these guidelines

IMO the problem with this industry is the industry itself. Too many people in bed with each other, Casino Managers & so forth with fictional names like Sunny Daze (synonymous with a porn star) and covert PO Boxes as registered Company addresses, to name but a few of the major problems.

Instead of the hat being passed around the industry to collect money for its yearly slush fund for lobbyists, why on earth it does not subscribing to the thought that prevention is far better than its cure, is yet another reasons imo this industry keeps shooting itself in the foot.

Add the latest string of non payment issues, the number of rogue operators still active still robbing American's (and others) blind, it really does go from bad to worse.

Is it really any wonder then why the US Government and others want to ban this industry.

I wanted add of course there are exceptions, take 32Red and others who offer a stella performance and operate way above expectations.