Bellavegas(Microgaming) won't pay 20K

**autumn12** · 28th March 2006, 10:40 PM

Everyone who understand something in onling gambling knows that this kind of behaviour from an online casino is totally not acceptible.

If the casino is the wrong side why I have to be punshied for this.

If the casino is in the wrong and I am in the wrong, the casino should be fined and I should be fined, but the winnings should be paid.

The casino accepted players from Nevada and still accepting them, what will happen if again a player will win there and they don't pay, will you also say that the player is in the wrong and the casino is in the wrong and that is it ??

Also, the casino decided to be the king of the world supporting laws, what happened to them ??? Are they really law supporters ?

It reminds me an offer I got in the email stating Tax Free winnings this weekend and in their terms it says that you have to pay Tax if the law at your country state so. I magine a player won and have not paid Tax and then the casino refuse to pay him anymore of their winnings because they support the law in the Country this guy played from.

This is exactly the same, when it come to the point they have to pay, they all of a sudden no better than anyone what are the rules in Nevada ?

What if I played from the Indian jurisdiction in Nevada ?

The IP I played from shows Nevada ? In Nevada there are areas that 18 is the minimum age of play.

Supporting the casino in this case is a totally mistake .

You can see also on the winneronline.com that most users support my side.

**autumn12** · 28th March 2006, 10:45 PM

and for everyone who is sick to hear about this case, believe you feel much more sick when someone made fun of you and didn't pay you $20,000 he owes you.

Until this case will be resolved, no matter how many supprter I am going to have I wil make sure it will be on first page everywhere I can.

**Pinababy69** · 28th March 2006, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by autumn12

and for everyone who is sick to hear about this case, believe you feel much more sick when someone made fun of you and didn't pay you $20,000 he owes you.

Until this case will be resolved, no matter how many supprter I am going to have I wil make sure it will be on first page everywhere I can.

I wasn't in any way, shape or form making fun of you.....simply stating that this issue has been hashed and rehashed many times, and at the end of the day, all the public posts in the world are not going to change things. Your best recourse is to hang tight and see what Bryan can work out for you, if anything. Just some well-meaning advice.

**autumn12** · 28th March 2006, 11:07 PM

As I said I still believe that I can convince or let other convince Bryan that what they did is actually not right if not more than that.

They took advantage of me, they knew my age when they processed the $5000, the software knew my age even before that.

If I won't convince Bryan and still he will sort any kind of resolution , I will be happy and thankful too.

**silcnlayc** · 28th March 2006, 11:09 PM

If the casino is in the wrong and I am in the wrong, the casino should be fined and I should be fined, but the winnings should be paid.

No where would you ever be paid for something done illegally. You would be fined and so would the casino and any and all so called "winnings" would be a moot point and/or confiscated or made immaterial to the fact that it was achieved in an illegal way.

Hence, you have NO WINNINGS as per the state you are in and the casino you have played at sad to say.

**soflat** · 28th March 2006, 11:26 PM

If you are in Nevada, then why don't you just go to a local casino and play? Why bother with online play where you might not get paid?

**jetset** · 28th March 2006, 11:43 PM

Can you spell C A R V E-O U T!!!!!

That's in relation to the TVG site btw....

**suzecat** · 29th March 2006, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by soflat

If you are in Nevada, then why don't you just go to a local casino and play? Why bother with online play where you might not get paid?

Soflat: the legal age for gambling in Las Vegas is 21 and picture ID is required for proof. The LV casinos are pretty anal about this law and underage gamblers will be promptly escorted off the property.

Autumn, I feel for you, really. I can image you had lots of plans for the $20K that cannot now materialize. However, since I don't rule the world, you are going to have to abide by the law of the land, Las Vegas, and accept that the casino can rightfully stiff you.

Posters above have pointed out that federal law does not specifically address online gambling legality. Therefore, in this case, the laws of the State where the player resides are controlling.

No one is going to argue that gambling online is a crap shoot. If you are underage you may fall under the radar for a time, but should you hit a big win, well...............if you have given them a way out, they will probably take it.

Bryan routinely juxtapositions the casinos interests with the players' interests. I am in agreement with his take on this matter and hope the player will eventually come to terms with their own culpability. (I can hear my law professor saying (over and over) that ignorance of the law is not a viable defense.)

**paul02085** · 29th March 2006, 02:43 AM

IMO this is nothing but a ripoff by the casino.

There is no way in h.ll they would call this person if she had lost $20k and said hey you arent supposed to play here, you are not of age, sorry we just realized it, so we are going to give you your $20k back and close your account.

Painting the casino as just upholding the Nevada laws is laughable IMO. Come on now. Does anyone really believe that?

The casino execs are probably sitting there laughing saying can you believe that bs about underage worked, lol.

**Pinababy69** · 29th March 2006, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Like I mentioned, I have made some suggestions on how to have some sort of resolution. I'm waiting for word back on this. I'd recommend that everyone keep this thread mellow. Thanks!

I don't see how slamming the casino is going to help anyone. Grand Prive have already shown that public posts have little or no effect on them....*heavy sigh*