Bellavegas(Microgaming) won't pay 20K

[soflat]

Spear.

I told you it is not possible to rogue an ecogra casino without rogueing ecogra, now you want to pull rank today?

I protested your support of ecogra personally, now you want to bar me because I turned out to be right.

That's just poor logic. They (Casinomeister and ecogra) have different criteria. If they didn't, then what would be the point?

Personally, I don't think eCogra is that great anymore, but they do serve a limited purpose.

[caruso]

Just for my own curiosity autumn12, I was wondering how you were able to purchase/play in pounds when you live in the US?…Autumn12 never responded to this question. So now I will get to the cheating aspect of this whole mess.

Did you happen to miss the answer she gave DIRECTLY following your question back then?

Autumn12, I guess you did not read/understand the general terms and conditions on the Bella Vegas website, to wit: "Players residing in the United States of America may only wager in US dollar."

When I played there they did not have a term that Pounds are not allowed for US players. They added it after I played , I think couple of months after.

Link to the post for anyone else suffering from Selective Memory Syndrome:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/95080-post70.html

Let's take a look at Suzecat's chat - manifestly designed to elicit responses about this player's "illegal" transfers which she spectacularly failed to elicit:

Question: "I just wanted to find out if I, as a US citizen with a US bank account, can purchase British pounds and use them to gamble."

Answer: "We[ll] the funds that would go into your NETeller account would be USD. If you find a merchant that will accept funds from a USD account and they are GBP than the conversion would be done for you at the time of the transfer."

So yes – you can. We all know that anyway. BFD.

Question: "OK, so if a casino requires that you purchase/play in the same currency as the country where you live, then it would not be possible to use Neteller unless you were untruthful about your country of residence?"

Where did that come from?? The casino does NO such thing, and nothing in the Neteller rep’s answer suggested any such thing. All he said was that the conversion would be done at the time of transfer. Exactly WHERE in his response did you deduce "so, if a casino requires that you purchase/play in the same currency as the country where you live…"?

Obvious answer: "No, it would be based on your currency, not your country of residence, as any NETeller customer can choose USD, CAD, GBP, and EUR as there base currency to their NETeller account."

Question: "Right, so I understand that Neteller would convert funds for you but they do not confirm an account holders' country of residence with a merchant?"

Why would they?? Since when was it down to Neteller to tell a Costa Rican casino that Caruso, playing in USD, is from England??

Obvious answer: "That is correct, we do not give any information to the merchants as far as you personal NETeller information goes."

Well duuuuuh, big surprise there.

Dramatic finale: "Michael, is it OK for me to copy this chat session and share it with people at Casinomeister forum?"

Yeah, I mean we learned a lot there, didn’t we? We learned that Neteller doesn't reveal to the casino details of their (Neteller) customers' accounts. Pretty important to get Neteller's express permission before posting THAT chat wasn't it? I mean, countries might fall now. Wars might start.

Why didn’t you just ask Michael if he eats corn flakes for breakfast? We’d have had a more meaningful insight. LMAO.

Just to back up what has already been said anyway: casinos WANT players playing in GBP – that's why the offer multiple currencies. GBP are bigger than USD, so represent a bigger win rate for the casino. Clearly, they also represent a bigger win rate for the bonus hunter – which is the downside from the casinos' perspective.

Oh, and now I come to think of it, tell me this Suzecat: since in your opinion "if a casino requires that you purchase/play in the same currency as the country where you live, then it would not be possible to use Neteller unless you were untruthful about your country of residence?"

…and since I personally use Neteller to play is US dollars as a UK citizen, Neteller is actually condoning my illegal account operation. Correct?

Think carefully before answering, because you might not be best advised to state that both myself and Neteller are basically frauds.

Maybe I'm just not getting your point, but what do you mean by this question: 'OK, so if a casino requires that you purchase/play in the same currency as the country where you live, then it would not be possible to use Neteller unless you were untruthful about your country of residence?'

Yeah, run this one by us, Suzecat.

[Pinababy69]

I give up...you are just f**ing rude Caruso. Was it really necessary to post that long a post picking apart every single word she said? And accuse any or all of us who don't agree with your point of view on everything of suffering from Selective Memory Syndrome? WTF is wrong with you that you can't just make your posts in a civil manner, and why do you have to talk down to anyone who doesn't agree with you? I've even seen you do it to Bryan, and to many others here. What is it that's so special about you that you think you can talk to people the way you do? Learn some tact, learn some diplomacy and for Christ's sakes learn some people skills...people may actually take you seriously. I've said it before, your motives are pure and I'm sure you have some great ideas, but man, this sarcasm and negativity and better than everyone else attitude......it's getting you absolutely nowhere, and real fast. All you'll succeed in doing is alienating alot of people who read your posts...and if you ever hope to work in this industry as a mediator, you'd better lose the attitude. If I were a casino operator and researched your style, I'd run for the hills as fast as I could. Not that you care two shits what myself or anyone else thinks, but I feel better for having said it. That post of yours above mine was totally uncalled for and rude.

[soflat]

It was kind of rude, because I don't think Suzecat knew much about playing in different currencies (how easy it is, and that it is no big deal at many casinos, etc).

[Pinababy69]

It was kind of rude, because I don't think Suzecat knew much about playing in different currencies (how easy it is, and that it is no big deal at many casinos, etc).

That was my point exactly Soflat...there is no need to ridicule someone and pick apart in detail the way he did. Misinformed or not, she meant well, and that was uncalled for.

[silcnlayc]

Pinababy69 said: but I feel better for having said it

BREATH......in...out...in...out......now...relax one toe and work it to the ankle..wiggle the ankle and work it to the knee...you get the idea, yes?

Hoping you feel even better soon!

[Pinababy69]

Maybe some meditation or yoga Silc?

[spearmaster]

I tried the deep breath technique myself yesterday - it's been a long two weeks here and my body was stiff as a board from all the tension and headaches.

So I can vouch for the deep breath technique - it works.

(of course, the 4 Tylenol I took before going to bed might've helped as well!)

[Casinomeister]

...To rogue Grand Prive, on the basis they did not do their due diligence re jurisdictional gaming laws is the Meister's least finest moment, but you want to bust my balls and tell me about garbage?

Apparently you didn't bother to read much about what I wrote about why they ended up in the rogue section.

And if you have a problem with what I do, how about say it to my face - or email me your dissapointment - don't start making obscure cryptic postings. And like Spear said, if you feel you want to go off on some tangent unrelated to this topic, start another thread. Do not dis the moderators, or you'll find yourself out on the street looking up at the stars.

That's just poor logic. They (Casinomeister and ecogra) have different criteria. If they didn't, then what would be the point?

Thank you. We are different enties that have different functions. Period. amandajm, if you want to start your anti-eCOGRA crusade over here, you are in the wrong place, my man. You are free to take that to your website.

Caruso - one more thoughtless post like that i.e. rude, you're out of here. Sorry, but you have been warned way beyond enough concerning your writing style. If you cannot show consideration towards your fellow members here, you need to find another home.

Now everyone have a nice day

[suzecat]

In over 10+ years of onling gaming I have never confronted the issue of using foreign currency to gain an unfair advantage. I live in the US, if a casino tells me to use my resident currency, then that's what I do. Never thought "well, how can I get around that to get some extra bonus chips?" So I am better versed on that aspect of the industry and find yet another reason to view this forum as an incredibly useful tool. Kudos to you CM for providing it to us.

I have no doubt why a casino's T&Cs read like the Library of Congress. Evidently there are some people whose existence is predicated on how much they can screw with these same T&Cs to get some [undeserved] cash. Online gambling is supposed to be FUN..........why do some people get so involved you'd think their life was dependant on it?

OK, soapbox fell over.......time to go..........