Bellavegas(Microgaming) won't pay 20K

[amandajm]

I think that goes for every player of any age from any jurisdiction, not just this 19 year old.

Is online gaming legal where you are Winbig? Do you gamble online too? I don't know the answers to these questions.

I get the overall feeling I should accept the word from a trusted source without question because they did good by me yesterday, or because I agree with them most of the time.

[suzecat]

Just for my own curiosity autumn12, I was wondering how you were able to purchase/play in pounds when you live in the US?

Autumn12 never responded to this question. So now I will get to the cheating aspect of this whole mess.

The casino requires players to play in the currency of the country they reside. Autumn12 lives in Nevada (USA) and should therefore be playing in USD. However, she admits to playing in British pounds. How can this be?

(ChristopherB I did my due diligence) and here is what Neteller says about it:

Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'Michael'
Michael: Welcome to our live chat service. How may we help you?
suzecat: Hi Michael, I have a question about what currency I can use. I live in the US.
suzecat: Can I purchase British pounds and use them at a online casino?
Michael: Before we proceed, may I ask your security question please?
Michael: What is your Mothers middle name?
suzecat: **********. I am asking because I have been reading at Casinomeister forum about a 19 year old who lives in Las Vegas that says she used Neteller to gamble online and deposited pounds instead of dollars.
suzecat: I thought when I signed up at Neteller that I had to use US dollars.
Michael: We cannot change the currency on your NETeller account. The only way would be to open a new account with a new email address and new currency.
suzecat: I do not want to change the currency on my account, I just wanted to find out if I, as a US citizen with a US bank account, can purchase British pounds and use them to gamble.
Michael: We[ll] the funds that would go into your NETeller account would be USD. If you find a merchant that will accept funds from a USD account and they are GBP than the conversion would be done for you at the time of the transfer.
suzecat: OK, so if a casino requires that you purchase/play in the same currency as the country where you live, then it would not be possible to use Neteller unless you were untruthful about your country of residence?
Michael: No, it would be based on your currency, not your country of residence, as anybody NETeller customer can choose USD, CAD, GBP, and EUR as there base currency to their NETeller account.
suzecat: Right, so I understand that Neteller would convert funds for you but they do not confirm an account holders' country of residence with a merchant?
Michael: That is correct, we do not give any information to the merchants as far as you personal NETeller information goes.
suzecat: Michael, is it OK for me to copy this chat session and share it with people at Casinomeister forum?
Michael: This may pose as a security risk as you have answered your security question with me and you have your account information in the chat.
suzecat: OK< if I edit out that before I share this information?
Michael: This is your decision to make, as you do agree to the terms of use when you register your account that sais you are responsible for all transactions made in your NETeller account.
suzecat: Yes and I will be very careful. Thank you for pointing out the security risk.
Michael: Is there anything else I can assist you with?
suzecat: No you have been very helpful. Thank you.
Michael: You're welcome. Thank you for choosing NETELLER!
Chat session has been terminated by the site operator.


The casino has also acknowledged that she was using foreign currency. The reason she gives is that pounds are worth more in bonus money.

Since she was required by casino rules to use USD she must have been untruthful about her country of residence in order to make the casino believe she was entitled to British pounds. I'd call that cheating (conspiracy to gain an unfair advantage).

My apologies to everyone who is shaking their head and thinking that I have gone off the deep end with this dead horse. Sorry, I just couldn't get this aspect of the thread off my mind.

[spearmaster]

She would have been required to produce ID to cash out - or at least should have. Other flags would surely also have shown that she was not in Nevada.

Though I agree that perhaps Autumn was taking advantage of bonuses by using the currency valued the highest, I actually don't see anything wrong with that at all. And I believe you'll find hundreds, if not thousands, of other players doing the same thing.

If a casino wants to limit the currency being used, they need to state this up front very clearly. Hiding this in the terms and conditions would be considered dubious, at least in my opinion.

amandajm - leave other casinos out of this discussion, please - if you want to start another thread elsewhere by all means do so. 32Red, as you can plainly see, is blocking play from entire COUNTRIES with their clause - which is way more than many other casinos do. If you make your point to them I'm sure they will more than welcome your suggestions - but don't be trying to hold them up to garbage from elsewhere.

[jpsartre]

Suzecat: As far as I know there is no problem choosing GBP as your preferred currency when signing up at a casino, even if you are a resident of USA. Some casinos enforce special rules about this (like, you must choose USD if you are american etc), but I've never had a problem choosing GBP even though I'm not in country where this is the currency. Also, there is no problem having a Neteller account in USD and using it to deposit at casinos where you are playing in a different currency. I do this all the time. So I don't see any reason to suppose that Autumn12 would have had to lie about her country of residence in order to play in GBP.

EDIT: Maybe I'm just not getting your point, but what do you mean by this question: 'OK, so if a casino requires that you purchase/play in the same currency as the country where you live, then it would not be possible to use Neteller unless you were untruthful about your country of residence?'

[amandajm]

Bust my balls G2b, go ahead. Be right though is preferable no? I'm easy either way.

There are casinos accepting deposits from barred jurisdictions left right and centre. Including 32red.

To rogue Grand Prive, on the basis they did not do their due diligence re jurisdictional gaming laws is the Meister's least finest moment, but you want to bust my balls and tell me about garbage?

Unrevocable FACT - Ecogra said they cannot get a list together of barred jurisdictional laws and stay up to date, but they are sweet as, and Grand Prive are rogue for lack of due diligence?

This ruling needs a serious rethink from all parties Spearmaster and I expect and trust you and many others to lead the call, not me.

[spearmaster]

The reason I'm roasting your chestnuts is because your posts are attempting to do damage to another operator for no realistic reason other than you are unwilling to tell them yourself.

Furthermore, you have no proof that they are accepting wagers from Nevada - you are just saying so because it does not explicitly say so otherwise on their website.

Does that mean I can enter your home any time unless you have a sign outside specifically forbidding my entry?

No more of this part of the discussion in here. Start a new thread if you like. But any more in here unrelated to the issue at hand will earn you a vacation.

[bb1webs]

Mr Spear:

I just thought I'd toss my 2cents into the ring by stating that while I must admit I didn't ever read the casino's T&Cs whether or not I must use my country's currency ...

I surely have thought it was my choice of what currency I chose to play because it asks you ...

and to further that point I would note that I play in poker rooms every day where the buy in is in pounds and they simply convert it over for me.

so following that line of thinking I'd surely not have guessed it was breaking any rules to choose to gamble in pounds rather than dollars. Furthermore it wouldn't matter with the exception for the amount of bonus chips you'd gain but keep in mind that its not actually that much of an extra bonus if you consider that it won't buy you any more spins on the major millions (assuming major millions has a pounds amount it pays out because I don't know how that works) but anyway if a spin costing a pound = $2.00 or a spin in dollars costs $1: well its all relative isn't it?

not sure that was said in the best way but I think it has merit. ... if not I'm sure Spear will correct me.

... great to see you Bud. (so to speak).

[amandajm]

Spear.
Attempting to damage 32red by comparance? You know better.

Earn a vacation?

For daring to disagree and for using a casino or three as an example of how wrong this ruling is?

This is an ongoing discussion and I put it to you, that you are now being selective re 1 post out of 10/0/0.

I told you it is not possible to rogue an ecogra casino without rogueing ecogra, now you want to pull rank today?

I protested your support of ecogra personally, now you want to bar me because I turned out to be right.

Never thought i'd see the day Spear. Not from the self-confessed-maverick-you.

[spearmaster]

amandajm -

I asked you to start a new thread. I didn't say you could not bring up the issue - I did say that it does not belong in this discussion.

I'll ask you one last time - if you want to talk about different casinos and their terms (and btw 32Red is NOT eCOGRA-certified) then do it in another thread - not in this one.

Let's keep this issue on track - thank you for your cooperation.

BB-

Hey bud... LOL... long time no "speak/see".

I agree - I don't think the actual currency in use should be an issue - as you can see I did say that I can't see anything wrong with that

You're also right about the progressives - the payout is in whatever currency you play in, and the risk ratio is exactly the same. At least with MGS and PT if I am not mistaken...

[Vesuvio]

To rogue Grand Prive, on the basis they did not do their due diligence re jurisdictional gaming laws is the Meister's least finest moment, but you want to bust my balls and tell me about garbage?

Just two points:

1) Grand Prive wouldn't have been rogued if it was only for not doing due diligence, as you're right that few casinos even approach that. They were rogued for using it as a neat trick to pocket 20k they had no right to.

2) Grand Prive have deserved rogueing for a very long time based on their general conduct. It's a bit like Al Capone being done for tax evasion