Resolved King Solomons: loss after loss!

[Wagerjunction]

Praytech a little note for you - my CRM team have reviewed your game play and an email with all of your game play data and percentages will be sent to you in due course . I will PM you with further information

Regards
Greg

[maxd]

Originally Posted by praytech

If you are a moderator, why are you wading into this debate, instead of 'moderating' ?

Actually I don't think I was debating anything, I was just trying to bring a little perspective to the scene. Please notice that I didn't say anything about the validity of your request to KS to cough up some data for you, I was just trying to remind you that gamblers have swings and it could well be the case that you're on one of them. Maybe, maybe not, but if you re-read my post with a beer in your hand instead of a hatchet you might see that.

Originally Posted by praytech

As you say, you failed statistics, so that sort of discounts any input you might have ...

Actually you might want to have a look at that again. I said I failed it 'the first time'. I did quite nicely on the second go.

Originally Posted by praytech

And when did I even say that $0 end sum was proof of a rigged game? I NEVER said that, so I would appreciate it if you don't put words in my mouth.

Having just re-read your posts I think I'm quite comfortable in stating that that's virtually all you have been saying. Statements like "I have actually never come across a casino where the odds are so stacked against a player" have formed the bulk of your contribution here and it's hard to read things like that any other way.

You're entitled to your opinion of course but my point was and is that your opinion seems more about your rage at losing than anything else. Hence I don't see that I was putting words in your mouth at all, merely highlighting and underscoring what you've already said.

Originally Posted by praytech

Are you also telling me that if a player suspects that the games may be rigged, he should just say nothing, and let other players lose thousands of dollars to the same operator?

You don't know much about my work here do you? Have a look at the Past PABs and you'll have a good idea how misplaced your question really is. The PABs since December have been the bulk of my work here at Casinomeister.

Originally Posted by praytech

I don't think that it helps Casinomeister to go on the attack like Max did ...

Again, I suggest you read those posts a little closer. You're doing the attacking sweat-pea, not me.

Originally Posted by praytech

He has waded in to this debate, which is about my personal experience with a rogue operator, in a manner that is not helping this situation, but merely having the effect of tarnishing my rep in this regard.

(a) Just to be clear, KS is not officially a 'rogue casino' at this time. You're obviously not liking how thing's have gone for you there but that doesn't make them Rogue. (b) Your 'rep' was plenty tarnished by your highly inappropriate use of our forums from the get-go, for which you've made no apology as I recall, not to mention your in-your-face approach to this discussion since. I can't see that I've done anything to worsen that.

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Max ... has an interest to do the job he gets paid for which is to moderate the complaints section in this forum.

An excellent point, which I'll take as a queue to abandon my attempt to help settle praytech's mind and recognize that I will find my time better spent elsewhere at Casinomeister today.

[praytech]

well, i guess we agree to disagree.

Fact is, I have lost ten times quicker at King Solomons than at any other of the 10 casinos I have played at...

[praytech]

Originally Posted by GrandAcesGeisha

Praytech a little note for you - my CRM team have reviewed your game play and an email with all of your game play data and percentages will be sent to you in due course . I will PM you with further information

Regards
Greg

To quote your pm,

Hi Justin

My guys have pulled a report that has indicated to us that your overall payout ration is 92.1%

They are emailing over the details of each game and the overall and then you can examine it if you wish

I look forward to hearing from you re this

Regards
Greg

Rubbish! Let's see the report! I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you would help here, and give me truthful answers, but that ratio goes against not only what I have experienced but also what I have already been told by your own staff.

How can you possibly get that ratio with the low level of wagers I have been able to make with my deposits?

[Fleur-De-Lis]

May be it is not too wise to get involved in such a heated discussion, but I just felt obliged to share my experience, since I was playing in KS for over half a year. While I did have a fair share of complaints (concerning customer service people who are not too helpful, slower-than-one-would-like withdrawal processing etc.), I must say they in no way struck me as a potential rogue enterprise. In fact, for the time being it might be the only casino I regularly play at where I have "plus" balance - i.e. where I withdrew more than I deposited.
The KS games ARE very streaky, especially slots, that's true... but that's just SO nice when you get the LUCKY streak

[praytech]

Originally Posted by Fleur-De-Lis

May be it is not too wise to get involved in such a heated discussion, but I just felt obliged to share my experience, since I was playing in KS for over half a year. While I did have a fair share of complaints (concerning customer service people who are not too helpful, slower-than-one-would-like withdrawal processing etc.), I must say they in no way struck me as a potential rogue enterprise. In fact, for the time being it might be the only casino I regularly play at where I have "plus" balance - i.e. where I withdrew more than I deposited.
The KS games ARE very streaky, especially slots, that's true... but that's just SO nice when you get the LUCKY streak

Well, congrats then. My experience has been the opposite, and from other posts on casinomeister, it seems the vast majority of other players have experienced what I have.. a casino that just takes your money

[Janek12]

Praytech, I myself lost more than 20k USD over the last 2 years, mostly in Playtech casinos; so I think I know how it hurts to lose a lot of money.
I have a lot of experience with various Playtech casinos and now, when I avoid lots of errors that I was doing as a novice and do not let the way I play be influenced by unrealistic expectations, I find the software fair (at least it seems to me that it is fair to me :-)).

I also think you need to take your experience on Playtech software as a whole:
You won 12k at Casino Tropez and lost 8k at King Solomons. So you managed to win 4k overall. Statistically, you are way ahead, in my opinion.
So I think, from a purely mathematical point of view, even if you encountered another loss of a few thousand at KS (not that I would wish you to experience it), it would still not mean that the software is rigged, IMHO.

Also, if you do not use any steep progressions (you wrote your bets are from 1 USD to 5 USD), I think it is quite possible to experience a downswing and to lose 8k (especially with 5 USD bets).

To sum it up, I think your point of view should be that so far, your slots payout percentage has been way above 100 % on Playtech, since you are 4k USD up (if I get the numbers right from what you have posted).

Best of luck in your life!

[Wagerjunction]

Praytech i am helping you - I am giving you the cold hard statistical facts that we have on your game play . This is taken directly form the Playtech system .

If you wish i can and will send a screenshot of this to the Casinomeister for verification of this data

You are welcome to post the data that you get from my CRM team as well seeing as you posted my PMs .

I also think that there is not much more to be said re this - you seem bent on tarnishing the good reputation of KS because you had an unlucky streak .

I am sorry that you lost but that is why they call it gambling .

As for your statement

Well, congrats then. My experience has been the opposite, and from other posts on casinomeister, it seems the vast majority of other players have experienced what I have.. a casino that just takes your money

I dont think that i need to point out that winners hardly ever draw publicity to themselves .

I do wonder though if there is some other force at play here . Ever the Cynic i am .

[praytech]

Originally Posted by Janek12

Praytech, I myself lost more than 20k USD over the last 2 years, mostly in Playtech casinos; so I think I know how it hurts to lose a lot of money.
I have a lot of experience with various Playtech casinos and now, when I avoid lots of errors that I was doing as a novice and do not let the way I play be influenced by unrealistic expectations, I find the software fair (at least it seems to me that it is fair to me :-)).

I also think you need to take your experience on Playtech software as a whole:
You won 12k at Casino Tropez and lost 8k at King Solomons. So you managed to win 4k overall. Statistically, you are way ahead, in my opinion.
So I think, from a purely mathematical point of view, even if you encountered another loss of a few thousand at KS (not that I would wish you to experience it), it would still not mean that the software is rigged, IMHO.

Also, if you do not use any steep progressions (you wrote your bets are from 1 USD to 5 USD), I think it is quite possible to experience a downswing and to lose 8k (especially with 5 USD bets).

To sum it up, I think your point of view should be that so far, your slots payout percentage has been way above 100 % on Playtech, since you are 4k USD up (if I get the numbers right from what you have posted).

Best of luck in your life!

I agree with your post. I have NO issues with the playtech software, and I enjoy the games (though I wish there was more of them). I simply have an issue with one particular playtech casino. I had never said at any stage that I felt the software itself was rigged. I think though that each casino has a level of 'manipulation' of the payout ratio on a given day, week or month.

[praytech]

Originally Posted by GrandAcesGeisha

Praytech i am helping you - I am giving you the cold hard statistical facts that we have on your game play . This is taken directly form the Playtech system .

If you wish i can and will send a screenshot of this to the Casinomeister for verification of this data

You are welcome to post the data that you get from my CRM team as well seeing as you posted my PMs .

I also think that there is not much more to be said re this - you seem bent on tarnishing the good reputation of KS because you had an unlucky streak .

I am sorry that you lost but that is why they call it gambling .

As for your statement



I dont think that i need to point out that winners hardly ever draw publicity to themselves .

I do wonder though if there is some other force at play here . Ever the Cynic i am .

Other force? OMG! What? A conspiracy? There seems to be only one conspiracy here, buddy. That is taking my $8,000 ! If you want any justification for motive, how about that for starters!

I got the stats now from the pitboss, Riaan, which I will include in the next post.