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The 5 million Euro Gold Rally Jackpot has been won, anybody knows where?

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Hopefully it was hit in a reputable Playtech casino.

The previous big Playtech jackpot was hit at Winner Casino ( Gladiator jackpot).

Winner Casino is one of the casinos listed in Casinomeister's Not Recommended section because of their unacceptable rules related to payouts of progressive wins (it may take a few decades to get paid).

You will find the whole list here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/
 
I took a few shots at this jackpot as well, but knew that ever actually hitting it was mostly a pipe-dream.

Considering that the average win prior to this was like $800k according to casinolistings, this might have been a great opportunity for someone who happened to have an extra million lying around to gamble. Would be nice.
 
I´m quite sure you had a big advantage, when you are consider that the payout percentage at an average jackpot size already is over 97 percent, according the information from Playtech.
 
So no idea of the winner of this yet? It took less than week for Playtech to give a press release of the 2.4€ million gladiator jackpot. Now it has been over 7 weeks since this 4.7€ million jackpot, the biggest Gold rally, and the 2nd biggest Playtech jackpot ever, was won. Has Playtech missed this PR opportunity because of amateurism? Or are they trying to keep it quiet because this jackpot was won on some casino that had some nutty progressive withdrawal limitations, so that withdrawing this going to take 40-100 years? Because of the Gladiator winner being British, the withdrawal limitations at Winner Casino (aka now as Loser casino because of predatory progressive withdrawal limitations :mad: ) were only mildly predatory, it takes 4 years for him or her to withdraw it totally instead of over 20 it would have taken for non-British. Either Playtech press release guys are total amateurs, or this progressive was won on such a rogue or borderline rogue casino that even Playtech is ashamed, and keep their mouth shut, despite of this being the 2nd biggest Playtech jackpot ever.
 
Wonder if there's any mechanism in place to make sure something like the above doesn't occur (I know casinos usually have some sort of regulating body, even if only a rubber stamp one, not sure if Playtech itself does.) Stranger things have happened, and ~$6 million is quite the incentive, even for a rather large company - if they know they couldn't get caught.
 
Finn said:
So no idea of the winner of this yet? It took less than week for Playtech to give a press release of the 2.4€ million gladiator jackpot. Now it has been over 7 weeks since this 4.7€ million jackpot, the biggest Gold rally, and the 2nd biggest Playtech jackpot ever, was won. Has Playtech missed this PR opportunity because of amateurism? Or are they trying to keep it quiet because this jackpot was won on some casino that had some nutty progressive withdrawal limitations, so that withdrawing this going to take 40-100 years? Because of the Gladiator winner being British, the withdrawal limitations at Winner Casino (aka now as Loser casino because of predatory progressive withdrawal limitations :mad: ) were only mildly predatory, it takes 4 years for him or her to withdraw it totally instead of over 20 it would have taken for non-British. Either Playtech press release guys are total amateurs, or this progressive was won on such a rogue or borderline rogue casino that even Playtech is ashamed, and keep their mouth shut, despite of this being the 2nd biggest Playtech jackpot ever.
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What I find strange is that there is no PR from the casino where it has been won. You`d expect any casino to see this as an
opportunity to get some buzz, but not this time. That to me is an indication that something is off.
Playtech is a reckless operator, to say the least. Wish they could just pay the prog winners themselves, instead of giving
jackpots to casinos and turning their backs.
 
miiisooo said:
What I find strange is that there is no PR from the casino where it has been won. You`d expect any casino to see this as an
opportunity to get some buzz, but not this time. That to me is an indication that something is off.
Playtech is a reckless operator, to say the least. Wish they could just pay the prog winners themselves, instead of giving
jackpots to casinos and turning their backs.
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Maybe it was won on some casino which "maximum withdrawal when playing with bonus is 6 x deposit" or similar term, and the casino owners chose to close the shop and retire with the jackpot money. :eek2:
 
I searched, but couldn't find anything about this. Very suspicious.

I DID find out about some poor sod who who $1.5 million on the same game at Titan Casino (Rogue!) in May last year.
With their ridiculous $10K/month cash-out limit, that guy still has another TWELVE YEARS to wait for the casino to give him the money which NEVER BELONGED TO THE CASINO IN THE FIRST PLACE. :mad:

Makes me want to vomit! :barf:

KK
 
KasinoKing said:
I searched, but couldn't find anything about this. Very suspicious.

I DID find out about some poor sod who who $1.5 million on the same game at Titan Casino (Rogue!) in May last year.
With their ridiculous $10K/month cash-out limit, that guy still has another TWELVE YEARS to wait for the casino to give him the money which NEVER BELONGED TO THE CASINO IN THE FIRST PLACE. :mad:

Makes me want to vomit! :barf:

KK
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Exactly, who knows where Titan will be next years, nevermind in a decade. The worst part is that they are not only
cheating the winner, but also the countless people who contributed to the jackpot. Hope this is not Joyland all over again.
 
KasinoKing said:
I searched, but couldn't find anything about this. Very suspicious.

I DID find out about some poor sod who who $1.5 million on the same game at Titan Casino (Rogue!) in May last year.
With their ridiculous $10K/month cash-out limit, that guy still has another TWELVE YEARS to wait for the casino to give him the money which NEVER BELONGED TO THE CASINO IN THE FIRST PLACE. :mad:

Makes me want to vomit! :barf:

KK
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What makes it even more disgusting is that Titan Casino is 1 of 5 Europartners Affiliate casinos, and Playtech owns Euro partners affiliate program and all 5 Euro partners Affiliate casinos have that term.

:barf:

Playtech Acquires Euro Partners Affiliate Program (2011)
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It's now over 2 months since this jackpot was won. Nothing related to the jackpot on Playtech press releases.

In cases of unclaimed lottery prizes, vast majority of lottery programs put the unclaimed prizes back in the prize pool after certain amount of time. Even on those few cases where this doesn't happen, at least the money goes to whatever charitable causes the lottery organization donates to. If there was some clear cheating, multi accounting, etc., from the part of the player, if the Playtech decided to be lame and keep the money or the casino did that rather than put the money back to prize pool, at least they should have integrity to confess that. All lottery organizations release some information from the winner. At least Playtech should tell the winner's home country and the casino where it was won, or give some explanation what happened to the money.
 
Playtech need to start taking care of the people who are making them money. It is not enough to merely blame it on the operators. Would be harsh against the operators that do care about their customers, but maybey iff enough players bocoytted all PT outfits for some weeks would put some pressure on PT?
 
zreb said:
I took a few shots at this jackpot as well, but knew that ever actually hitting it was mostly a pipe-dream.

Considering that the average win prior to this was like $800k according to casinolistings, this might have been a great opportunity for someone who happened to have an extra million lying around to gamble. Would be nice.
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This is harder to do with this slot than with many other progressives. The biggest issue that there is no autoplay. Also the animation is long and cannot be interrupted, and the max bet is "only" 18 €/£/$. So you can't throw in money as fast and as efficiently and comfortably in this slot than in many other progressive slots.

Maybe someone tried to do this, and used macros to run this slot 24/7 on several casinos, and was caught and Playtech confiscated the jackpot because of this.

Anyway, if there was anykind of cheating, it would have been much nicer of Playtech to put the money back to the progressive jackpot.
 
I have been looking for information on this for a long time. There is no Playtech press release, no casino publicity, nothing. Googling for various searches with the jackpot name and the date returns this thread as a top result. That is completely suspicious because the casinos love to publicise a big winner, even if they don't mention anything about the player such as their name and where they come from.

My conclusion, like the previous Joyland Casino rip-off, is that Teddy Sagi "won" it.
 
I see CasinoMeister hasn't viewed this thread yet - I'm going to alert him to see if he can find out from Playtech what happened here.

I mean, we are talking about 5 MILLION Euros of PLAYERS money just vanishing into thin air (or Playtech pockets :mad:) - this is a VERY serious issue IMHO.

KK
 
KasinoKing said:
I see CasinoMeister hasn't viewed this thread yet - I'm going to alert him to see if he can find out from Playtech what happened here.

I mean, we are talking about 5 MILLION Euros of PLAYERS money just vanishing into thin air (or Playtech pockets :mad:) - this is a VERY serious issue IMHO.

KK
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Did anything come of this?
 
rshkrn said:
is there any chance that the player who won it had some sort of anonymity agreement or something.....???
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Why would the casino and Playtech pass the free advertisement, they are not obliged to do so. For them to go along with some nutty paranoia like keeping the name of the casino secret and not giving even any generic press release which in no way compromises player identity, the player would have to be nutty enough to pay the casino and Playtech a considerable chunk of the prize to compensate for the missed free publicity and advertisement.
 
There has to be something shady going on here. A large jackpot winner would be announced even if no names were mentioned. The fact that there has been no press release or updates of any kind from Playtech leads me to believe all is not kosher here. Also I find it odd that some casinos seem to be dumping Playtech for other softwares very recently. Probably totally unrelated but you never know. We will probably never find out what happened to that jackpot;)
 
zanzibar said:
This whole thing reeks of Playtech doing the dodgy yet again. We should contact the guy from Daily Mail who was doing the hatchet job on Teddy Sagi last week and ask him to do some digging.
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By "Dodgy" do you mean that PT pockets the money themselves whenever an illegitimite player wins it? Actually wouldn't it be the casino that tries to take the money and not PT or do the two share profits somehow on the progressive games?
 
osulle said:
Who the hell knows but at this stage anything is possible.
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Whatever the story, I'm sure the win was illegitimate, otherwise the player who won would've bitched all over the internet! Nevertheless, 5 mil could've (and probably did) go missing in the eyes of the casino community.

I don't play PT so obviously I wouldn't know, but it shouldn't be difficult for most PT players to deduct about whether an individual casino or PT took the money.

For instance, if progressive jackpots are paid out via all PT casinos contributing a percentage of the jackpot the same way MG progressive are, then there is no way an individual PT casino could pocket the money themselves without pissing off all the other PT casinos (as they would've had to pony up). Thus fraud by an individual casino couldn't work under those kinds of payout conditions.

On the other end of the fence, if PT pockets the money, then the casino's are losing out because all of the monetary contributions from the progressive that go to the jackpot either always goes to PT or to a legitimite player who wins the jackpot.

The only conclusion is that for fraud to take place, PT and all of the casinos that use this software would have to have some sort of "deal" that allows everyone to a share of the money when a player wins illegitimately
 
This industry really does need a good looking over. Due to the amount of Casinos that are popping up from every corner of the world it really needs some more solid rules put in place. If i won money like that and the company vanished i would still do everything in my power to catch up with the CEO..
 
maphesto said:
No answer yet? No Casinomeister looking at thread either... Have to report it again!
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Did YOU report it?
As of the time of this post, he STILL hasn't looked at the thread.

KK
 
jshort said:
By "Dodgy" do you mean that PT pockets the money themselves whenever an illegitimite player wins it? Actually wouldn't it be the casino that tries to take the money and not PT or do the two share profits somehow on the progressive games?
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Last time something like this happened when Joyland Casino ripped off a woman in 2009 who won over €4m by only paying her €2m, the money was pocketed by the casino. But the casino was owned by Teddy Sagi, majority shareholder of Playtech. So he effectively paid himself €2m.

As for this jackpot, seeing as no casino is claiming the win which is highly unusual, it seems to me that there has to be some other explanation.
 
Guys, Bryan is on the road and will be for several more days. He checks in frequently but I doubt he'll have time to look into this until he's back in the office.
 
Hello folks, I am the editor at Casino Listings. We have been pursuing an explanation for this one from Playtech and a couple of operators for a few months now without success. We have published a story that references this thread and summarises our findings here:
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There is a complete lack of transparency as no-one is answering any questions and we are left to guess at what might have happened. To me, the strangest thing is that there is no mention made of this jackpot win in Playtech's annual report for 2013 but there is a full page ad highlighting the Gladiator win which was for half the amount. The annual report aggregates all jackpot liabilities so it isn't easy to work out if the funds are still in the system somewhere or if they have been removed due to a win or something else.
 
CL-Ed said:
Hello folks, I am the editor at Casino Listings. We have been pursuing an explanation for this one from Playtech and a couple of operators for a few months now without success. We have published a story that references this thread and summarises our findings here:
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There is a complete lack of transparency as no-one is answering any questions and we are left to guess at what might have happened. To me, the strangest thing is that there is no mention made of this jackpot win in Playtech's annual report for 2013 but there is a full page ad highlighting the Gladiator win which was for half the amount. The annual report aggregates all jackpot liabilities so it isn't easy to work out if the funds are still in the system somewhere or if they have been removed due to a win or something else.
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Well, that could provide the leverage needed to solve this story. Issuing a false annual report is a criminal offence (the directors are ultimately liable), and the fact that it makes no mention of the movement of such a large sum should be enough to challenge the company over the validity of this report. Playtech is listed in the UK, so this is one matter where they are NOT beyond the law. Whether they pay the player or void the win is not a matter for the UK (yet), but failing to account for the money in their annual report IS most certainly a UK regulatory matter.

The usual tactic a journalist might employ here is to buy a single share in the company, and then ask the awkward question in the AGM. Another way is to object to the report's accuracy with the relevant authorities, but I am not sure how one does this without oneself having an interest in the company.

The fact that the pool vanished on a given date can be proven from information in the public domain, and this can then be used to prove whether or not the information on this must be in the 2013 report, or can wait until the 2014 report.

I doubt the current "no comment" stance from Playtech will work when it's the regulators asking the questions rather than journalists.
 
The problem is that the annual report only lists the total outstanding jackpot liabilities (i.e. all jackpots combined) at the end of the year for each of the past 2 or 3 financial years. So it is not as if they are omitting or falsifying anything because they don't list individual wins apart from the full page Gladiator ad. The win definitely occurred during their 2013 financial year so if they were going to boast about it, that annual report would have been the one in which to do it.
 
CL-Ed said:
The problem is that the annual report only lists the total outstanding jackpot liabilities (i.e. all jackpots combined) at the end of the year for each of the past 2 or 3 financial years. So it is not as if they are omitting or falsifying anything because they don't list individual wins apart from the full page Gladiator ad. The win definitely occurred during their 2013 financial year so if they were going to boast about it, that annual report would have been the one in which to do it.
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It's such a large sum that whether explicitly noted or not, it should be reflected in the accounts.

If they only list overall liabilities, it may still be possible to reconcile the numbers in the accounts with data from the various jackpot tracking sites regarding the known and confirmed payouts. Go back 3 or 4 years and see if their is a pattern that shows everything normally adds up, but which in 2013 does not add up to an amount equivalent to the jackpot in question.

As well as no news from the casino, there is no news from a player either, not even a hint, yet the money did disappear from the pool.

One question that needs to be asked is whether this is just normal procedure for the odd occasion when a player asks for the highest level of anonymity, or whether this is a truly unique level of jackpot secrecy.

A key aspect in the trust between player and casino is transparency. How can players trust Playtech to administer the progressive pools fairly when they dig their heels in this deep and keep any news of this win secret for 8 months or more. It only adds to suspicions when it turns out the amount was unusually high before it was "won" in complete secrecy late last year. Was it really won at all, or is this a cover up of a major technical issue with the game that was rectified at the end of last year.
 

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