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    Deuces royal EV: x45
    4 to natural royal EV: x20

    Is getting a natural royal worth chucking away 600 odd credits? 'cos that's what you'd basically be doing...
    Probably not - but depending on the circumstances (ie. a second of madness) I might still do it. If I were playing for the "long run" scenario of course it's obvious I wouldn't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spearmaster
    Guess I'm not a real man, Meister... but I bet you aren't either! Like Simmo said, no contest... decision was already made but I wanted to see what kind of reaction I'd get I came up with the same numbers Simmo did... so 900x6 vs 1250x1 is absolutely silly.

    A straight flush, I might have thought about it. A deuces royal, no way. 4 to the royal, might have tossed the lone deuce.
    This is a no-brainer. Of course all 5 cards must be held. Even if you got 4 deuces on one of those hands,your bankroll wouldnt have improved much,would ya. Likewise,if nothing crops up and you get 4 of a knind on all 4 hands,you lose much. And you are also right in discarding 2 cards for a straight flush since you dont have too much to lose anyway unless either one of the non-deuce cards is an ace,king,queen,jack or ten. This would be a tough decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxlevine
    Yea... I did that... real man... real big loser of a man! And don't expect a screenshot to prove my manhood, I threw it out the window along with the pc!

    Mental note: Never listen to Meister when playing VP.

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    Lol - well you only had a 1 in 12 chance of getting the Royal. So chucking that Deuces Pat Royal away 12 times to get your Royal, you'd be throwing 10,800 coins away to get 4,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuchu59
    And you are also right in discarding 2 cards for a straight flush since you dont have too much to lose anyway unless either one of the non-deuce cards is an ace,king,queen,jack or ten. This would be a tough decision.
    Yep... See my post up there

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuchu59
    This is a no-brainer. Of course all 5 cards must be held. Even if you got 4 deuces on one of those hands,your bankroll wouldnt have improved much,would ya. Likewise,if nothing crops up and you get 4 of a knind on all 4 hands,you lose much. And you are also right in discarding 2 cards for a straight flush since you dont have too much to lose anyway unless either one of the non-deuce cards is an ace,king,queen,jack or ten. This would be a tough decision.
    Nah, still a no-brainer. Keep 3 deuces for everything except wild royal or 5 of a kind 10s or higher.

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    Please explain to me the math, why is it 1/6?

    Cheers,
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    Sorry, I forgot to put Simmo's quote in here, that's why this message appears 2 times :/

    Caliban
    Last edited by caliban; 2nd February 2005 at 09:20 PM. Reason: double message

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simmo!
    1 in 6 chance of 4x2's (1250) or guaranteed 900. No contest SM :-)

    PS. And Bryan never did buy me that coffee!!
    Hi!

    Please explain to me the math, why is it 1/6?

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by caliban
    Hi!

    Please explain to me the math, why is it 1/6?

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    No problem Caliban....here goes in non-techie terms...

    You were dealt 5 cards and you hold the 3 Deuces. So there's 47 cards left for the second deal and only one Deuce, but you have two turns (or chances) to get it on each line. So thats a 1 in 23.5 chance (we're calling it 1 in 24). You're playing "4" hands simultaneously so you have 4 x (1 in 24) chance of getting it, or put another way, 4 in 24. Or put another way, 1 in 6
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    Please explain to me the math, why is it 1/6?

    Each line has 47 cards left in a deck. You have 2 chances to get the last deuce out of 47. For 4 lines it's 2/47*4 = 8/47 or approximately 1/6.



    Simmo beat me by split second but explanation is almost identical
    Last edited by HateMG; 2nd February 2005 at 10:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HateMG
    Simmo beat me by split second but explanation is almost identical
    Sorry about that MG - but your explanation is much more succinct


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