888 / Reef Club Casino. Accredited or not ?

[rainmaker]

888 Holdings do have a couple of casinos in the baptism by fire- section (pending accredited casinos). They have been listed since at the end of November 2010. I guess their soon will be promoted to the accredited list or...you know...be dumped.

My personal opinion is that it would be crazy to include a 888 Holdings/ Cassava Enterprises casino in the accredited list.

I know several people who has used their casinos and it's almost funny how much they dislike them now. I even has an old account at 888.com. Once a week or something they sends me a mail like "hurry!! final chance to claim your first time bonus!"

This is from the mail I got from they yesterday:

Hurry, grab your Xtra bonus today

Download Casino-on-Net today, deposit as little as 10 EUR, type the code XXXXXXX in the cashier to grab:

Your Welcome Bonus
up to 500 EUR + FREE 20 EUR
Bonus

Remember, winners never stop spinning!

Regards,

888.com


And did I mention that I actually did claim a "first-deposit" bonus several years a go? I have even contacted the CS to tell them that I already has been given this bonus. Do they care? No. They still sends me crap like this all the time. The problem is of course that they are offering me a bonus that will cause me to break T&C if I accept.

Anyway. I just wanted to know what you think. Should Reef Club Casino / 888.com be promoted to the accredited list, or be dumped ?

Oh, and I need to add that the rep at this forum (Rachel) seems very skilled and friendly. That is the only positive thing I can say about this case.

[maxd]

Couple suggestions:

• you might want to word the thread title as a question so people know you're looking for input. Something like "should 888 be Accredited?" or the like.
• better yet, add a poll asking exactly that. Polls are easy for people to do -- just takes a second or so -- so people are quite likely to contribute.

Just sayin'.

PS. if it's too late for you to edit the thread to add these any Mod can do the first one for you, might need to ask Bryan to add the poll since I can't seem to find a Moderator option to do it.

[rainmaker]

Thank you for the tips Mister Max Too late for me to do changes, but please add a poll if possible.



(By the way, sorry for a bit bad language / spelling in the text. Did not have time to correct it.)

[Nifty29]

I agree with you rainmaker.

There are too many questions raised about 888/Cassava and not nearly enough answers. E.G. what exactly is the relationship between white labels and the software provider? Cassava say 'we only provide software', yet players are having their winnings confiscated for having an account at more than one Cassava-connected casino including WLs. Looks like far more than a 'software provider only' relationship.

If they are REALLY keen to clean up their act they have a strange way of showing it IMO.

The fact that there is so much confusion amongst players about what I mentioned above is enough to deny accreditation IMO....but that ain't my call.

[rainmaker]

I am most familiar with Net Entertainment and Playtech casinos/companies, so please correct me if I am wrong here.

But as I understand it, 888 Holdings do own Random Logic Limited. Random Logic was founded to provide software to 888. 888 Holdings also owns Cassava Enterprises who operates sites like 888.com, Reef Club Casino and others.

As you mentioned Nifty, I know there has been some cases where players has been refused winnings because they have been accepting bonuses from different sites within the 888 Holding group. As I see it, it is almost impossible for an average player to understand the structure of this company.

In my opinion, it will damage the good reputation of the accredited section if a casino like 888.com is promoted to join Centrebet, 32Red and other reputable casinos on the list. I just can not see it happens.

You would never see a casino like 3Dice sending promotion mails like "hurry!! last chance to get your bonus!"...not only one time, but several weeks in a row. I have seen that they sometimes blame affiliates for "spamming" without the 888-permission. That is BH in my opinion. And as I have said before, what's up with all the 888 advertisements on porn sites. I can not even surf on porn without being bothered by a pop- up ad from 888

[jod5413]

And as I have said before, what's up with all the 888 advertisements on porn sites. I can not even surf on porn without being bothered by a pop- up ad from 888

Thats a great place to advertise. Both porn and gambling are considered vices. Great marketing technique.

[Nifty29]

Thats a great place to advertise. Both porn and gambling are considered vices. Great marketing technique.

Yep.

After all, you only need one free hand to click 'spin'.

[maxd]

Too late for me to do changes, but please add a poll if possible.

I've done the "Report Post" thing (see below) so Bryan will know that you'd like the poll added.

No worries about the imperfect English, you should hear my feeble attempts at French.

[KasinoKing]

Anyway. I just wanted to know what you think. Should Reef Club Casino / 888.com be promoted to the accredited list, or be dumped ?

My personal opinion? They should be dumped.
I'm with you; always been too many dodgy goings on with this group - and there still are. If they would totally "clean up their act" and keep it clean for say 6-months, then yes, accredit them.

KK

[maxd]

If they would totally "clean up their act" and keep it clean ....

Just out of curiosity, and I'm being wholly sincere here, what would that entail? What would "clean" be? How would we know it if we saw it?