Casino Reps Please Respond Here

[4 of a kind]

Many here are aware of my will to get a response from Reps concerning Video Poker software being used. It's not fair to ask them to respond in any of the threads concerning this topic that already have gone on for pages and already consist of many other topics and assumptions.

So, let's try to keep this thread on the one topic. Here's the questions:

If video poker is actually based on a random shuffle the hands will come up with their expected probability in the long run. If the cards are being drawn based on RTP settings (pre-determined house edge percentages) like slots then the decisions are being decided by variable programming with secondary decisions to eventually equate to the pre-set RTP setting eliminating expected probabilities if the RTP setting is to low.

So which type of software is being used?

1) Pre-set house edge percentages (RTP) (slot machine)

or

2) Random Draw (expected probabilities)

[Rusty]

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[jod5413]

It would be very interesting to hear from all the different software reps, but I am not holding my breath. It is an excellent topic, but I personally feel like they won't want to answer. And, if they did, we might not like the answer, I am afraid.

Come on reps, step up to the plate here!!!!

[love2winalot]

Hiya: Well, there have been many other threads entitled, "Casino Rep's respond", or like that, and i can not remember anyone ever responding?

We always have, 'Plan-B".................

[NicolasJohnson]

The answer to your question, is both. I think this question demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of these concepts.

Random Draw = Random Number Generator = Random Results
This means that the results are random, based on set odds. For example, if you flip an evenly weight coin, it has a 50/50 chance of coming out. By flipping it you create the randomness. If you have a evenly weighed dice, it has a 1/6 chance of coming out. By throwing it you are creating randomness (assuming you aren't using dice control; whether it exist or not is not at debate here, please create a separate topic if you wish to debate dice control). Depending on the payout on of a bet and the odds of a an event happening, that is what makes a theoretical % of Return to Player, also known as RTP. So if in the coin flip game you are paid one on one, the theoretical RTP would be 100% (since there is a 50/50 chance and you are paid the same amount as you bet). If on the coin you were paid $0.95 on the dollar, then the theoretical RTP would be 95%. Theoretical RTP differs from actual RTP for the very reason that it is random. The coin flip that pays $1 for a $1 has a theoretical RTP of 100%, but if you are betting heads and heads come up only 1/4 of the time, your RTP will be 50%. Of course under this circumstance, someone else is winning with tails 3/4 of the time and therefore has an RTP of 150%, which completes the theoretical RTP of 100%.

Now that I made the differentiation between theoretical RTP and actual RTP, for the rest of the post I'm going to say RTP and by this mean theoretical RTP.

If on a dice game you are paid 6:1, then that would have a 100% theoretical RTP.

Randomness doesn't affect RTP. RTP is based on the number of potential results and the payout of a bet on those odds.

Now to bring this into cards. When you are sitting with a 2 of diamonds and a 7 of spades, and the dealer is sitting with a 4 of clubs and a 7 of clubs, there are real life odds of what will happen next if you stand or hit based on the number of decks being used and the rules of the specific blackjack game. Now online blackjack should imitate these natural odds using the casinos Random Number Generator.

Now you can ask, can a software provider NOT use the real odds in creating their software, and instead skew the real life odds to ensure a higher keep and a lower RTP to player? Yes. But that is exactly why there are reputed 3rd party companies that audit, test and certify that online gaming software is what is it supposed to be.

These are brilliant people, like the guys at wizard odds, people much smarter than myself, who I'm sure can answer better than I can. I'm simply giving it my best to answer your question.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliates Manager

[NASHVEGAS]

The answer to your question, is both. I think this question demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of these concepts.

Random Draw = Random Number Generator = Random Results
This means that the results are random, based on set odds. For example, if you flip an evenly weight coin, it has a 50/50 chance of coming out. By flipping it you create the randomness. If you have a evenly weighed dice, it has a 1/6 chance of coming out. By throwing it you are creating randomness (assuming you aren't using dice control; whether it exist or not is not at debate here, please create a separate topic if you wish to debate dice control). Depending on the payout on of a bet and the odds of a an event happening, that is what makes a theoretical % of Return to Player, also known as RTP. So if in the coin flip game you are paid one on one, the theoretical RTP would be 100% (since there is a 50/50 chance and you are paid the same amount as you bet). If on the coin you were paid $0.95 on the dollar, then the theoretical RTP would be 95%. Theoretical RTP differs from actual RTP for the very reason that it is random. The coin flip that pays $1 for a $1 has a theoretical RTP of 100%, but if you are betting heads and heads come up only 1/4 of the time, your RTP will be 50%. Of course under this circumstance, someone else is winning with tails 3/4 of the time and therefore has an RTP of 150%, which completes the theoretical RTP of 100%.

Now that I made the differentiation between theoretical RTP and actual RTP, for the rest of the post I'm going to say RTP and by this mean theoretical RTP.

If on a dice game you are paid 6:1, then that would have a 100% theoretical RTP.

Randomness doesn't affect RTP. RTP is based on the number of potential results and the payout of a bet on those odds.

Now to bring this into cards. When you are sitting with a 2 of diamonds and a 7 of spades, and the dealer is sitting with a 4 of clubs and a 7 of clubs, there are real life odds of what will happen next if you stand or hit based on the number of decks being used and the rules of the specific blackjack game. Now online blackjack should imitate these natural odds using the casinos Random Number Generator.

Now you can ask, can a software provider NOT use the real odds in creating their software, and instead skew the real life odds to ensure a higher keep and a lower RTP to player? Yes.But that is exactly why there are reputed 3rd party companies that audit, test and certify that online gaming software is what is it supposed to be.

These are brilliant people, like the guys at wizard odds, people much smarter than myself, who I'm sure can answer better than I can. I'm simply giving it my best to answer your question.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliates Manager

They may be brilliant but also totally unreliable which is giving them the benefit of the doubt.

See The Wiz's work on English Harbour.

Even better is Jacobson's BJ audit fiasco on 3 Dice where there has never been anything even close to full transparency to date. If so, heads would turn and that is a no-no!!

Ever heard of that reputable accounting/auditing firm Arthur Andersen?? What a crock!!.........and yes I know the then defunct AA had it's good name restored on appeal, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!

Try again pal!!

[funeral979]

Even better is Jacobson's BJ audit fiasco on 3 Dice where there has never been anything even close to full transparency to date. If so, heads would turn and that is a no-no!!

Did I miss something? Can you point me to a link so I can catch up?

[NicolasJohnson]

They may be brilliant but also totally unreliable which is giving them the benefit of the doubt. See The Wiz's work on English Harbour. Even better is Jacobson's BJ audit fiasco on 3 Dice where there has never been anything even close to full transparency to date. If so, heads would turn and that is a no-no!!

I'm sure a mistake has happened someplace somewhere. Even lunar landings don't go perfect. But that is different from what you are insinuating; which is a conspiracy. Also a small mistake may not alter the statistics (if you are sampling 20 million gaming results, one wrongly annotated result may not result in a statistically significant error). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error

If you believe that the Software providers, independent auditors, webmasters like casinomeister and everyone in this industry is conspiring to earn a little more, then I suggest you don't gamble online.

But if you truly believe that, then why do you think casinos bonus restrict you from Blackjack? I know, I know, what someone is going to answer: to keep up with the conspiracy. But don't you think that at least one operator out of thousands would go ahead and offer a 1000% cash able bonus with 5x play on blackjack and crooked software and be able to pay because of the artificial game play?

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliates Manager

[NASHVEGAS]

I'm sure a mistake has happened someplace somewhere. Even lunar landings don't go perfect. But that is different from what you are insinuating; which is a conspiracy. Also a small mistake may not alter the statistics (if you are sampling 20 million gaming results, one wrongly annotated result may not result in a statistically significant error). There is no such thing as perfect, only 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99% perfect.

If you believe that the Software providers, independent auditors, webmasters like casinomeister and everyone in this industry is conspiring to earn a little more, then I suggest you don't gamble.

But if you truly believe that, then why do you think casinos bonus restrict you from Blackjack? I know, I know, what someone is going to answer: to keep up with the conspiracy. But don't you think that at least one operator out of thousands would go ahead and offer a 1000% cash able bonus with 5x play on blackjack and crooked software and be able to pay because of the artificial game play?

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliates Manager

Thanks for the suggestion. I certainly can believe whatever I wish. Accountability, transparency, factual information, etc. are one of the primary basis(es) pal for what I believe and/or know.

The online gambling industry, nothing more than a bunch of fanantics that are an insult to the heads of the religious cults. Just a bunch of crap the masses are to believe as you just proved!!

[NASHVEGAS]

Did I miss something? Can you point me to a link so I can catch up?

You can do a search but most is meaningless as the BJ audit SOF I was billed for and paid in full was pulled from this site 10 minutes after I posted it. There would eventually be another 4 or 5 more SOF's, LOLOLOLOLOL, with the last one (several months after the prior fiasco) being the most disturbing and unethical (in so many ways that still have never been revealed to this forum.)