WHY I TRIED TO PAY FOR AN AUDIT!!! I THINK EVEN 3DICE WILL VOUCH FOR ME???

NASHVEGAS

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A few selected affiliates et al just claim software is fair and for we,the players to prove it is not. Then you call their bluff and more rhetoric. Basically I am to accept their word and/or shut up and not play! (do not worry about newbies or others who may not read this forum).....shame on the selected culprits and I will continue at my expense and time to seek a non paradoxical answer (there are other auditors available and others now in higher ranks who may want some answers). Here is an excerpt from Tennessean.Com in October 2007 that was the icing on the cake that software (similiar to gaming software) can be flawed (possibly with intent or without intent.) I hold no hard feelings against any affiliates or players who question my motives or tactics to obtain the truth. Enzo, I wish you could share some thoughts but I understand your situation and I appreciate the respect you have shown me as you and I both know this is about BJ software in the industry as a whole. In fact we (really Enzo) are now going to experiment with some BJ software ideas together (Kudos). I just happened to have access to the log files at Enzo's casino at the time I commissioned an audit.

"Board members said they wanted to wait until auditors had completed their reports on a computer coding error that kept certain numbers from being drawn before deciding whether to return to the system in which balls pop up with the winning numbers.

Several members noted they were hesitant to change because lottery sales are up in both games and because switching back to the old system would cost perhaps $5 million more because of higher television broadcasting costs.

The dramatically escalating cost convinced the board to switch to computers to pick the winning numbers. The change was made July 28, but an error in the systems computer code kept the computers from drawing any numbers that had repeating digits, such as 1-1-4 or 5-5-5-5. The error was discovered Aug. 20, and the public was informed the next day.

The boards audit committee met this morning to hear reports from the auditors who have been looking into the August glitch.

An auditor from KPMG Canada reported that the firms preliminary work found no problems with the system. The firm was hired to determine whether the computers now were operating properly. KPMG also will be comparing the error-plagued code with the corrected code.

The boards internal auditor, Khristie Stoecklein, gave the audit committee a report on how the error occurred based on interviews with lottery staff and employees of SmartPlay International, the company that sold the lottery the computers, and another firm that was hired to verify the computer code didnt have any errors. Stoecklein said she found nothing to indicate fraud.

The state Comptrollers Office also is looking into the glitch and will be looking at whether fraud could be a factor, as well as other issues"
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I'd stay on it Nash, but the emotions will shear it if not careful. Also, hard to read because it rolls from the person who helped you into a lotto-like thing.

I'd suggest a closed thread for a couple of days - that you remain a member here to expose what you are on to - and that no other memebrs, regardless of status, goad you.

I believe you 100% that NO blackjack game online can be the same as a deck, or 60 decks, and it is time for the industry and their self-appointed apologists to answer, truthfully, in a way that any player can understand WHY.


It's time for the casinos to prove to us; not their ploppets, affiliates, and mathatiscians.

You have raised a question for the ages and I challenge as well.

For the casual or interested reader, please note that 3Dice - to the best of my knowledge, and that is GUT, would never intentionally provide an unfair game. If they built their stuff on 'acceptable practices' that return the fair percentage, then blame the standard setters, not them!

And, as I always have, I challenge 3Dice - I have never been disappointed, and won't be this time.

I see this as (and forums be damned) the rightful rising of the current potential ultimate casino.

Fair is fair, young is young.

Truth is truth.
 
I don't know what a rigged state lottery has to do with online blackjack, but for some reason I was reminded of a Wikipedia article about the
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. The gist of it is:

It is philosophically justifiable to believe that every individual lottery ticket won't win, but not justifiable to believe that no lottery ticket will win.
Happy New Year!
 
I don't know what a rigged state lottery has to do with online blackjack, but for some reason I was reminded of a Wikipedia article about the
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. The gist of it is:


Happy New Year!
It may have been flawed! One thing we agree on prolly is rigged and flawed are not one and the same. I always felt there may be a difference between a B & M game (advantage players, of course there is so exclude that) and online BJ so I quit on my own (as I realize you always suggest) and then began again late Sept. 07 playing online BJ....I see alot of things that you do not see but that does not make either of us the gospel. Do I not have the right to seek the gospel (assuming there is one) despite the rhetoric and obstacles to date (i.e. documents and SOF's in hand that I have offered CM all of it and still do)......Anyways,for now you and I can hopefully just agree to disagree on why I am pursuing the issues...........SIDENOTE:the debate of balls for the public's trust versus computer at least to me was somewhat analogous(sp-fixed) to B & M cards versus online RNG cards....Respect:thumbsup:
 
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Ask me here bra, no secrets. eff em if they can't take the truth. Whatever that is.
 
Ask me here bra, no secrets. eff em if they can't take the truth. Whatever that is.
Maybe let it rest til tomorrow, want to keep it civil hopefully, and then speak your mind if you need (to me I assume).....just a suggestion but do as you please when you please:thumbsup:
 
Ftr and because my OP is confusing per a few PM's...The excerpt is in quotes and blue and red colors...The lottery is the Tennessee state lottery (some thought it may have been about a lottery in Canada,my bad) in which the state lottery headquarters is in Nashvegas and this was a daily headline in the media for sometime with multiple issues not included in the excerpt.....This is the subject article excerpt's headline fwiw:Monday, 10/29/07

Lottery won't switch back to plastic numbered balls despite problems
 
it might be because im hung over a bit but wtf is this thread about?

That online BJ might be rigged?
 
I felt exactly the same way when I first read this thread.
That's usually the way I feel in any thread that Nash posts.

Jod
Yes dear ,you and your cohorts have made that quite clear for several months now......as Tim said you and cohorts come looking for a fight, will not happen,sorry and Happy New Year to all of you....I may e-mail Pina eventhough we have had our differences but she always stood for player fairness so maybe we can put our other differences aside for the good of the player;)
 
Nash Dear,

Me and "my cohorts" have made it quite clear for several months now.....that you were invited by Mrracetrack to visit and express your thoughts on Sucks.

You probably can find Pina on there.....but I doubt she would really want to have anything to do with you.

The invitation still stands.

Jod
 
Nash Dear,

Me and "my cohorts" have made it quite clear for several months now.....that you were invited by Mrracetrack to visit and express your thoughts on Sucks.

You probably can find Pina on there.....but I doubt she would really want to have anything to do with you.

The invitation still stands.

Jod
Did not know I was still welcome after November as my invites were prior to November....I will PM Track, he has always been a stand up gentleman in our prior PM exchanges.....not sure why you speak for Pina and I will make the effort to reconcile (as she always was first and foremost a talented and skilled advocate for the player) but respect her decision either way!
 
Nash,

Mrracetrack invited you to come to Sucks on at least three occasions. The invitation still stands. Mrracetrack is not interested in any PM exchanges with you here on Casinomeister.

Jod
Well now that we both derailed this thread for now, he has a PM from me and still not sure why you keep speaking for others. Track is welcome and hopefully will consider responding to my PM...Once again,HNY!
 
Strange as it may seem.... I think I know where you're coming from, Nash. BJ anywhere online definitely does not feel like playing BJ with real cards. However, are the end results the same? I guess that's what you want to know.

Also... what happened with independent audits of all the casinos/softwares? PWC jumped ship and ran away when the US anti-online gaming crap hit the fan, but didn't I read sometime back that eCogra was in charge of audits? That's rather.... weird...
 
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Strange as it may seem.... I think I know where you're coming from, Nash. BJ anywhere online definitely does not fell like playing BJ with real cards. However, are the end results the same? I guess that's what you want to know.
Also... what happened with independent audits of all the casinos/softwares? PWC jumped ship and ran away when the US anti-online gaming crap hit the fan, but didn't I read sometime back that eCogra was in charge of audits? That's rather.... weird...
Spot on.......Also,I think PWC just gathered the info. supplied or as given by the MG casinos, then iirc then several months of no info from any source, and then eCogra set up shop, no clue what their audits entail.....others here will know alot more about this than I and these audits may just be for show, not sure how reliable they are! ....Interestingly, that after a couple PM's much earlier this morning I was able the clear up where I may have confused some and strangely they see (I assume) the analogy now....HNY:)
 
NashVegas.........I'm a little confused by your post as others are. ;)
I'm not sure how your post about state run lotteries relates to online gambling (BJ specifically,) but I've done quite a bit of reading online about lotteries in the US, and there are plenty of stories to find about the lack of randomness in the way the numbers are picked to outright cheating by lottery officials, etc.. There has been more than one controversy surrounding payouts and how the lotteries were voted in (North Carolina for example). Just do a google search and you'll find plenty of reading material if you are interested.
Are you trying to make a point that if state run lotteries get away with cheating that it's not such a stretch to think that it could happen with reputable online gambling establishments also?
 
NashVegas.........I'm a little confused by your post as others are. ;)
I'm not sure how your post about state run lotteries relates to online gambling (BJ specifically,) but I've done quite a bit of reading online about lotteries in the US, and there are plenty of stories to find about the lack of randomness in the way the numbers are picked to outright cheating by lottery officials, etc.. There has been more than one controversy surrounding payouts and how the lotteries were voted in (North Carolina for example). Just do a google search and you'll find plenty of reading material if you are interested.
Are you trying to make a point that if state run lotteries get away with cheating that it's not such a stretch to think that it could happen with reputable online gambling establishments also?
Sorry you are confused........the analogy is obviously hard to grasp but I am not implying cheating necessarily at all but the lottery issue based on some of my past personal BJ experiences made me say once and for all I want to figure out why online BJ seems so different than B & M BJ. Is it simply a matter of perception as I have posted,or are the online skewed log files in favor of the house time and time again possibly the result of flawed software,or as you state I may be stating possibly cheating,or possibly just the random shuffle or the software is possibly designed similiar to a slot type game,etc.....I do not have the answers but as I state and Mousey mentions, I am trying to find out if online BJ (results,perceptions,etc,) really are the same and why so much seems to the contrary. An audit went in circles leading to more confusion for all parties particularily myself and 3D (I can PM you later a brief summary of the circle if you like) but as I also state Enzo is working with me on the macro issues and questions so he must understand what I may not be able to express without confusing some. Not sure if he will try to put this in a better perspective of the issues and questions. I am not directly with malice making accusations re online BJ only seeking my own answers for now based on fact.
 
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I dont know how you can prove or disprove anything related to blackjack.

I think any auditor could be kept in the dark with the information they use.
 
I dont know how you can prove or disprove anything related to blackjack.
I think any auditor could be kept in the dark with the information they use.
I do not necessarily disagree as I did post regarding an auditors,mathmatician's,statiscian's wiggle room with skewed results,expectations and standard deviations. Maybe I should say eff it but not quite yet. Let me see if maybe Enzo's idea can verify that 3rd party audits may not prove one thing so to speak but I hear ya loud and clear!
 
Nash,

Mrracetrack invited you to come to Sucks on at least three occasions. The invitation still stands. Mrracetrack is not interested in any PM exchanges with you here on Casinomeister.

Jod

You're violating rules trying to start a portal war, Jod.
 

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