This Is Vegas Owe Me 80,000 USD

[KasinoKing]

I think this is really complicated thing for TIV.
I hope Bryan and Max will sort this out.

Looks to me like they have already made their conclusions:

... but the bottom line is the player didn't do anything wrong at TiV.
...
TiV should have never accepted this player's deposits, but they did.
He did not break the terms and conditions of TiV.
Whether he was fraudulent or not at other casinos is irrelevant.

Looks totally black & white to me: The casino is in the wrong and should pay the player.
If they don't, This is Vegas must be rogued.

I just wish some people would stop tarring ALL Rivals with the same brush; they are NOT all run by the same people.

KK

[all4greed]

What's up with some of the Rival casino managers and their pathetic excuses lately?

You played legitimately here but did this bad thing at another casino
You are a known bonus abuser that took a bonus and won
You are part of a gambling syndicate

And on and on it goes.

[deucebag]

I just wish some people would stop tarring ALL Rivals with the same brush; they are NOT all run by the same people.

All the so-called "white labels" are owned and operated by Silverstone Overseas Limited, which in turn is owned by Bonne Chance NV. So even though individual casinos are managed by different people, Silverstone Overseas Ltd/Bonne Chance NV is ultimately responsible.

"Tarring" every Rival white label with same brush is not unreasonable at all. If TiV does not pay a legitimate winner, then all Rival white labels are rogue. They are owned and operated by the same company.

[thelawnet]

All the so-called "white labels" are owned and operated by Silverstone Overseas Limited, which in turn is owned by Bonne Chance NV. So even though individual casinos are managed by different people, Silverstone Overseas Ltd/Bonne Chance NV is ultimately responsible.

"Tarring" every Rival white label with same brush is not unreasonable at all.

It might seem that way if you were promoting them on your website.

[Rusty]

This is the problem, chargebacks were made, but the OP claims these were nothing to do with him, and presents a good argument to support this in that he could never even be in a position to commit this action. The major flaw in the OPs story is the "exact machine match" evidence presented by Rival. Show this to be wrong, and Rival have a considerably weakened case for ANY connection between the 10K Chinese chargeback & the OP.

On the other hand, PROVE an exact machine match, yet completely different personal details on the account, and there is good evidence of a single machine being used for fraud, particularly if subsequent to the chargebacks, the OP somehow gets his PC back from the Chinese fraud ring.

My understanding of this was that the chargebacks were made at Slotto (I think) but it was all sorted out to both parties satisfaction.

If they were made at another Rival and the OP deposited before any resolution then I would see things a little differently _ I certainly understand how casinos need to protect themselves from fraudsters.
However, I agree with Bryan and KK that if this were the case TIV should never of accepted the deposit much less pulled all the other stunts that followed.

[Nifty29]

Looks to me like they have already made their conclusions:

Looks totally black & white to me: The casino is in the wrong and should pay the player.
If they don't, This is Vegas must be rogued.

I just wish some people would stop tarring ALL Rivals with the same brush; they are NOT all run by the same people.

KK

....and yet, after this debacle and despite past indiscretions, you continue to promote them (along with slots of fortune and other questionable operators)

I've always respected your views over the years but when it comes to discussions about Rival your business association with them is severely clouding your judgment IMO.

It's nothing personal, it's just something that has been going on for a while and needed to be mentioned, for the benefit of those who rely on this forum for advice at the very least.

[all4greed]

....and yet, after this debacle and despite past indiscretions, you continue to promote them (along with slots of fortune and other questionable operators)

I don't see how anyone could promote SOF now knowing about what happened and reading the responses from the rep on that SOF thread.

[maxd]

Read 'em and weep: ThisIsVegas Casino - Rogue.

[KasinoKing]

....and yet, after this debacle and despite past indiscretions, you continue to promote them (along with slots of fortune and other questionable operators)

I've always respected your views over the years but when it comes to discussions about Rival your business association with them is severely clouding your judgment IMO.

It's nothing personal, it's just something that has been going on for a while and needed to be mentioned, for the benefit of those who rely on this forum for advice at the very least.

Promote who - This is Vegas?
If that's who you are referring to - I have taken all their banners & links off all my sites (to the best of my knowledge - I might have missed one or two).

I do appreciate the general sentiment of your post though, and you may have noticed I created a new website last month specifically to address the good and bad Rival casino conundrum. I was waiting for the final outcome of the SoF issue, which right now does not look good - I agree. It's a shame the OP was not allowed to PAB because I would like to hear CM's official decision on it. As of right now though, he has not rogued the casino. However, I will now move them to "Not recommended" on my site.

KK

[Casinomeister]

... I agree. It's a shame the OP was not allowed to PAB because I would like to hear CM's official decision on it. As of right now though, he has not rogued the casino. However, I will now move them to "Not recommended" on my site...

Actually, I haven't gotten around to that one yet. I can still make an assessment without a PAB though