Gambling, in general... I'm fed up!

[waynemasters]

I live in the Pittsburgh area (Go Steelers!) and have come to realize a few things about gambling, as a whole... the people "running the show(s)" care very little about the clients that keep the industry alive. I have a recent experience with Rome Casino & Diceland Casino. I have deposited close to $4000 in about a 30 day period and the payout percentage of the games (based on my game history) is about 60%. Naturally I was angry, did some research online and found the personal contact information of the owner of the two sites, who was very friendly and attentive to my needs, and credited my account with a $1000 additional bonus. I told him that bonus amounts are useless if the games are predetermined to lose at a high rate. For the record, Rome Casino or Diceland Casinos are both extremely tight, take it from somebody who lost BIG at both sites. Until they loosen up, I would not reccommend either site. If you play at either of these sites, you're basically supporting the playboy habits of a little hottie (and he is a hottie) named Josh. Not Kosher, not right. Josh, you need to do something about the low payout percentages of your sites, bro... the way they sit now is a total disgrace.

It will be interesting to see if the US Government allows passage and legalization of online gaming here in the US. Each state has its minimum payout percentage, here in PA the minimum payout percentage is 85% for all games. And with respect to bonuses, its not just for online casinos anymore. The new Rivers Casino here in Pittsburgh is crediting its club members (anyone can join) with a cash bonus to play slots, etc. It gives club members $50 to $150 per week, perhaps more based on the amount a player has spent at the casino in the prior week time period. My experience with the online side of the gaming industry has been horrible. I have spent a lot - thousands. I used to work in a Native American Casino outside San Diego. The land based side is better, but not by much.

I'm fed up with the industry. I find it funny how the owners of these sites have the nerve of complaining about chargebacks, calling those players "cheaters", when the fact of the matter if their sites adopted a true "fair gaming" mission, "chargebacks" would rarely happen. In my opinion, cheating happens more on the part of the casino to the player than the other way around.

Thoughts?

[Mavin1]

Top Game has had many ways of cheating the players. Such as removing wilds from jackpot games, thus making jackpots unwinable. Plus making the player have to wager max monies to win an unwinable jackpot. Who the heck would spend $45 to $65 a spin to lose?????
But you will find many complaint threads here and it is not just a Rome thing, it's a TG thing as I believe changes come from the top.
I was an avid fan of TG for awhile, but finally came to my senses and dumped this platform for good.

Tinker tinker tinker................

[waynemasters]

If I am not mistaken, Top Game is a satan's spawn from Parlay Gaming. There is no doubt that there is cheating going on within the Top Game sites. I worked in a land based casino and know for a FACT that if you walk into the casino with several thousand dollars, you will either hit something, OR your bankroll will last for HOURS. I have contacted Dave Stoller at Top Game and his response was "only the specific site can refund money, correct problems". As for Rome Casino and Diceland Casino, they give you bonuses yes. But if their games are set so tight, there is no point to even playing, regardless of the bonus or bankroll amount. Every time I lose big, one of the Managers at Rome/Diceland Casino says that "somebody just hit big yesterday, etc". His response is A L W A Y S the same - ALWAYS. Bottom line is avoid these two casinos. Regardless of their "TST Accrediation", which I can only imagine is as a farse as the sites themselves - there is no foundation of trust with these sites. Again, I spoke with the owner personally on the phone a few weeks ago. Very nice, credited my account with an additional $1000 bonus... but we come back to the tightness of the games. He could have added $30,000 and it wouldn't have mattered. All of my deposits were through Quicktender. I was considering talking to Quicktender about the fact that they need to drop these Top Game sites from using their service. These sites forget that they are tied to the terms and conditions of Master Card, Visa, etc. If their sites tout great payouts, etc and the player does nothing but lose, there is a legitimate reason to dispute charges.

[maphesto]

Can you help me with contact info to Dave Stoller?

[waynemasters]

Here is Dave's contact information:

Dave Stoller
Sales Manager
Topgame Technologies S.A.

Via Espana 112
Panama City, Panama
Office +1 770 2611 410
Cell +506 8911 6230Skype: cyberman_dave

[Wildfire7]

That 60% payout does not necessarily reflect the casinos overall RTP. It may happen to be your current percentage due to dare I say it, "an unlucky streak"?

Just because you deposited a certain amount over a certain period, does not give you any guarantees to expect a certain percentage back.

That is my theory how it should be, however I would not play at any Top Game casino for a whole host of reasons. For me their casinos are similar to booking a hotel, only to find it is not the same as the brochure because the builders are still there.

Top Game software as far as I am concerned is still unproven, and may as well be a Beta version. So any results at these places would not surprise me.
Stick to the big guns and you can't go far wrong.

Mike

[rockycatt]

That 60% payout does not necessarily reflect the casinos overall RTP. It may happen to be your current percentage due to dare I say it, "an unlucky streak"?

Just because you deposited a certain amount over a certain period, does not give you any guarantees to expect a certain percentage back.

That is my theory how it should be, however I would not play at any Top Game casino for a whole host of reasons. For me their casinos are similar to booking a hotel, only to find it is not the same as the brochure because the builders are still there.

Top Game software as far as I am concerned is still unproven, and may as well be a Beta version. So any results at these places would not surprise me.
Stick to the big guns and you can't go far wrong.

Mike

uhh this right out of the casinomeister rogue pit [there nfg]period
like being pregnant either you are or your not

Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence
The "Bumblings, Blunders and Negligence" section is reserved for casinos that either screw-up something fierce or are negligent by failing to protect their players from software bugs, stolen data-bases, or commit other acts of serious stupidity. In the military it's called "dereliction of duty" and is punishable by fines or imprisonment or both. This is the list:


Casino Software Provider Location Reason
Gambling Federation Gambling Federation Belize Use of Malware
Top Game Top Game Israel/Costa Rica CSR on crack and other malfunctions
Golden Palace Playtech Kahnawake Stupid Casino Tricks


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ps no direct neg reflection on wild fire just trying to show what there stats are here

[Wildfire7]

Your quite right Rockycatt, hence why I would never play Top Game.

My RTP comments were certainly not a defence for Top Game, they were general comments which applys to all the software brands.

As the OP seemed to be under the illusion that gambling is some form of investment banking, where an exact return is guarenteed.

Mike

[newguy68]

Games can be affected in so many ways, they can set RTP even for bet size.
How can you trust in fairness of the games, when they can be so easily manipulated.

[skiny]

Your quite right Rockycatt, hence why I would never play Top Game.

My RTP comments were certainly not a defence for Top Game, they were general comments which applys to all the software brands.

As the OP seemed to be under the illusion that gambling is some form of investment banking, where an exact return is guarenteed.

Mike

Even an exact return of 99% would be a terrible investment.