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    Maybe I am still confused

    CM, banning players from your forum may not work – at least not as well. I suppose if the U.S. player can’t complain, then the fact that you are listing the Casino won’t matter. I don’t suppose there is a way they could just reach the forum without reaching the banner. But I would prefer banning to you leaving the U.S. segment.

    The reason I hate to see you abandon a segment of the market is because you have been a regulating force for casino integrity. It’s like you, Spear and Jetset are Wyatt, Doc and Morgan in the Wild West of Internet Gaming. Frist and company has shown up at the OK Corral and I don’t blame you for wanting to protect yourself but surely there is a way you can do so without abandoning the U.S. market segment.

    Perhaps you could list the casino but not the link? Wouldn’t this do the same thing as far as protection? In your example it will be like getting pulled over but someone else is driving. Surely you don’t think a review and opinion is a violation of the law. If the landscape changes, you will be in a better position to market.

    I think the landscape may well change if webmasters, casinos, and web wallets don’t panic. The banking lobby isn’t happy. And the Christian Right that Frist was trying to woo is disaffected due to FoleyGate and may well sit out the elections. The U.S. poker players may actually be a tipping point and the only way to settle them down is for Regulations to ignore the Web Wallets. All this points to Regulations that will allow Neteller to keep functioning, but we need a regulated marketplace. But it is going to be mute if there aren’t places to play.

    Just by way of example, my state has a plant that processes horses for human consumption. The residents hate it. And last year they finally got a law past that would prohibit the Agriculture Department from spending funds to inspect the plants and so the plants would close. There was much celebration. But the horse processing industry complained and the administration simply told the Ag. Department to charge for the inspections and business goes on as usual. It’s all in the implementation.

    Internet gaming has always been grey. My state attorney-general insist it is illegal in my state and we ignore him – even my friend who worked in the attorney generals office ignored him. But business went on as usual. I expect it might again.

    Speer, the point of my discussion about Snyder was only to give American Players some options. We have to go someplace and Snyder will intercede on behalf of players if he is listing the casino. That’s not going to fill the hole you guys leave behind but it is a start. And certainly being proactive in finding funding alternatives is something that will be helpful.

    I am glad CM says nothing is written in stone. I am hoping for a creative alternative. But if not, I hope players will post reputable sites that list casinos for Americans so that we can support that segment. Snyder’s is a good one.

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    If the US act went passed and I was not able to gamble ONLINE any more, I would still attend this site. I personally enjoy reading all the winning screen shots and the horror stories of people who don't know any better.

    Plus I enjoy waking up everyone morning and reading all these posts.

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    Right when we need a site like this the most, CM is joining the others by pulling out of the US market. Very disappointing; the Accredited Casinos list is what brought me here and joining the forums are what enticed me to stay.

    I guess I'll have to get used to Blackjack Forum Online and asking questions at Wizard of Odds.

    What a shame, Brian. All the work on this good-looking website, well-maintained and professional, and all your work helping keep the industry honest. I sure hope you work this out somehow, someday.
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    Maybe we need to chill and let everyone ride this out a bit more. I'm not abandoning anyone, and yes, the accredited list will expand I'm sure - and it will be available to most everyone. But jeeze people, it's only been a few days sine the bill was signed - we have a long way to go. The next few weeks - maybe the next couple of months will be a little bumpy. But hell, what do you expect?

    I didn't realize some of you came here to click away at the banners - cool

    Please bear in mind, the information (news, webcast, newsletter, other items of interest) are still applicable to players from Arizona to Zambia. I hope that this is what you are seeking. Knowledge is power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanford
    Perhaps you could list the casino but not the link? Wouldn’t this do the same thing as far as protection? In your example it will be like getting pulled over but someone else is driving. Surely you don’t think a review and opinion is a violation of the law. If the landscape changes, you will be in a better position to market.
    I actually suggested this same solution to him - in fact, it is the one I am using for my nearly-forgotten site LOL.

    However, he is obviously in possession of more information about the potential legal ramifications, seeing as that he went to Barcelona and I didn't

    I hope to hear more when I present in Dublin next month - my good friend Joe Kelly will be there and I will have hopefully a more informed opinion from him - but as it stands I certainly can't blame Casinomeister for taking the high road.

    Regarding reaching the forums without the banners, this is exactly the solution that Casinomeister is working on. In this way all US players will continue to have full access to information - just without the advertising. In the real world I think this would be a dream come true - unless you happen to enjoy watching TV ads - but here in the online world it clearly seems to have a different meaning.

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    Kengam's back in. Sorry I lost my cool. I apologize for calling you a twit and an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stanford
    The reason I hate to see you abandon a segment of the market is because you have been a regulating force for casino integrity. It’s like you, Spear and Jetset are Wyatt, Doc and Morgan in the Wild West of Internet Gaming. Frist and company has shown up at the OK Corral and I don’t blame you for wanting to protect yourself but surely there is a way you can do so without abandoning the U.S. market segment.
    Look at it this way, I'm on a jungle patrol and headed for a certain objective - let's call this objective "a successful website in the future".

    My point man has spotted an enemy ambush up on the road ahead - lying in wait. What am I going to do? Rush the ambush and engage the enemy? Or am I going to back up and regroup?

    This is the "back up and regroup phase" At this point I'm gathering intellegence and determining if there are alternative routes to bypass the enemy. It can be done - but it's not going to happen over night. We're still huddled in the jungle - locked and loaded - just give my guys some time to avoid enemy contact - we'll get there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casinomeister View Post
    Kengam's back in. Sorry I lost my cool. I apologize for calling you a twit and an idiot.
    LOL. Well, hopefully he apologised for his comment too.


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    thanks Bryan. We may not always agree, but we are on the same side.
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    Hardly a convincing apology for that unnecessary "backbone" comment. Bryan's been man enough to offer an olive branch, what about reciprocating?
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