[Rogue] WinAsDealer / BeTheDealer group

[Roanan]

Known rogue casino WinAsDealer has returned with a new skin and spam campaign:

The ownership isn't even in question:

http://www.vipbetstar.com/AboutUs.html
VIPBetStar.com is licensed and authorized by the Government of the Netherlands Antilles and operates under the Authority of Master Licensing and Hosting provider Cyberluck Curaçao N.V. as an Information Provider legally authorized to conduct online gaming operations.

The casino is owned by White Label Partners Inc and is powered by software provider CV on Net N.V., Emancipatie Blvd 31, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles.

http://www.winasdealer.com/AboutUs.html
WinAsDealer is licensed and authorized by the Government of the Netherlands Antilles and operates under the Authority of Master Licensing and Hosting provider Cyberluck Curaçao N.V. as an Information Provider legally authorized to conduct online gaming operations.

The casino is owned by White Label Partners Inc and is powered by software provider CV on Net N.V., Emancipatie Blvd 31, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles.


The spam itself is actually coming from the casino.

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:17:03 +0100
To: xxxxxxxxxx@telusmail.net
From: William Miller <william@vipsstar.org>
Reply-to: william@vipsstar.org
Subject: Claim $50 to try our platform

Click here to Claim Your $50 NO-DEPOSIT require to try our games platform
91.192.195.191/Browsing/welcomeVBS.htm


The IP address/affiliate link shown in the spam is: 91.192.195.191

The IP address for VipBetStar is: 91.192.195.196

The IP address for WinAsDealer is: 91.192.195.199



So of you get anything from them, send it SpamCop and run like hell.

[maxd]

Just out of curiosity have you ever looked into the possible connections between WinAsDealer (WAD) and BeTheDealer (BTD)?

I started dredging around on this based on some insider info I received but got side-tracked and then very much otherwise occupied.

I thought someone of your demonstrated skills might've found, or be able to find, something interesting.

[Roanan]

Just out of curiosity have you ever looked into the possible connections between WinAsDealer (WAD) and BeTheDealer (BTD)?

I started dredging around on this based on some insider info I received but got side-tracked and then very much otherwise occupied.

Hmmm.....

What do YOU think?

http://www.bethedealer.com/AboutUs/AboutUs.html
BeTheDealer Casino is licensed and authorized by the Government of the Netherlands Antilles and operates under the Authority of Master Licensing and Hosting provider Cyberluck Curaçao N.V. as an Information Provider legally authorized to conduct online gaming operations.

The casino is owned by CV on Net NV, Emancipatie Blvd 31, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles. The support center Casiopea Group Ltd provides customer support to the Casino.

http://www.winasdealer.com/AboutUs.html
WinAsDealer is licensed and authorized by the Government of the Netherlands Antilles and operates under the Authority of Master Licensing and Hosting provider Cyberluck Curaçao N.V. as an Information Provider legally authorized to conduct online gaming operations.

The casino is owned by White Label Partners Inc and is powered by software provider CV on Net N.V., Emancipatie Blvd 31, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles.

(Also notice the first paragraph is word-for-word identical.)

[maxd]

Highly suspect to be sure, but no self-declared connection that is solid enough to base conclusions on ... yet.

I seem to remember some time back they were using the same support email addys, but that changed a while ago.

[Roanan]

Enough to proceed as if they were...and dig further

[maxd]

Enough to proceed as if they were...and dig further

Don't let me stand in your way.

[Roanan]

Don't let me stand in your way.

No problem....at a time that ISN'T 12:30am

[maxd]

No problem....at a time that ISN'T 12:30am

Ah yes, 9h30 here in my corner of the EU, albeit 9h30 on a Saturday.

[Roanan]

Ah yes, 9h30 here in my corner of the EU, albeit 9h30 on a Saturday.

Ahhh....but now I'm intrigued.

I'll post something shortly

[Roanan]

Okay...initial investigation:

Seeing how the spam contained an IP address as the affiliate link, and that address traces back to a casino, let's start typing in more IP addresses and see what we come up with:

91.192.195.191 = cvgaming.com
91.192.195.192 = PlayAsDealerCasino.com
91.192.195.193 = StartCasinoProgram.com
91.192.195.194 = CasinoRoyaleTbilisi.com
91.192.195.195 = EuropeBetClub.com
91.192.195.196 = VipBetStar.com
91.192.195.198 = 777Dealer.com
91.192.195.199 = WinAsDealer.com


In addition, please note the following contact information for BeTheDealer:

http://www.bethedealer.com/AboutUs/AboutUs.html

Contact Us:

E-mail: manager@cvgaming.com
Fax: 18667851836


That is the exact same email and fax number on the 'about us' page for EVERY SINGLE CASINO listed above.


I think that should be sufficient to show that BeTheDealer is the same outfit