PR: ECOGRA REPORT ON THE GRAND PRIVÉ AFFILIATE PROGRAM INVESTIGATION

[spearmaster]

Lets say they don't. But common sense tells you that a high % of these players would have come from affiliates. Either way MGS would have some idea as to the number of players migrated over.

If you had read the post more carefully, you will see that I said

The only detail they would likely know, if at all, is how many records (equating to number of players) were created.

But - we were operating on the assumption that the aff system was being migrated, NOT the player system/servers. There is absolutely no reason why MGS would have to perform any player migration - only information pertaining to affiliates and player IDs attached to the affiliate. So, in theory, the % would've been 100...

[AussieDave]

only information pertaining to affiliates and player IDs attached to the affiliate.

What they wouldn't have a ball park idea as the number of players attached to aff id's? The number of DB records? I find that hard to believe.


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Dave

[dominique]

But - we were operating on the assumption that the aff system was being migrated, NOT the player system/servers. There is absolutely no reason why MGS would have to perform any player migration - only information pertaining to affiliates and player IDs attached to the affiliate. So, in theory, the % would've been 100...

Correct.

And regardless of the numbers, Microgaming knows that eCOGRA was not shown the complete data.

And as far as GP forgetting Referspot - LOL!

The whole thing was an exercise designed to stop paying on legacy players from US affiliates who could not continue to deliver as before after Microgaming left the US.

It is the same basis of thinking that is used when programs try to install quotas - if you don't send us more players we will discontinue to pay for work already performed.

GP, at this point, did exactly what it set out to do.

[spearmaster]

And as far as GP forgetting Referspot - LOL!

Not forgetting the program - but forgetting that they had stopped doing data migrations... easy to do if you are expecting to shut down a program. Also very stupid, I might add...

AussieDave - I said that the only detail they MIGHT possibly know is # of records - which is the same as # of players referred by affiliates. They wouldn't likely know any other details because the system is automated and by rights they should not be able to keep any of the other data anyhow.

MGS would not expect to know anything more, I don't think they would likely have been shown the results of the audit before eCOGRA informed the affiliates either. There are too many ass-u-mes being made that make no sense.

You can speculate all you like - I have already put in a request through CM for MGS and/or GP to explain EXACTLY how the player migration process was implemented. I'm doing this because I want the affs to get what they are entitled to, and not because I expect anyone to be absolved.

[AussieDave]

by rights they should not be able to keep any of the other data anyhow.

Most of this thread is based on speculation, so humour me.

At the time MGS, like right now, today (correct me if I'm wrong) but they collect royalties on every deposit. So they'd have to have some sort of records that they could cross reference.

What I'm saying is MGS would have some idea as to the number of players involved here and more importantly the amount of money involved.


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Dave

[spearmaster]

Most of this thread is based on speculation, so humour me.

At the time MGS, like right now, today (correct me if I'm wrong) but they collect royalties on every deposit. So they'd have to have some sort of records that they could cross reference.

What I'm saying is MGS would have some idea as to the number of players involved here and more importantly the amount of money involved.

First of all, they don't collect royalties on deposits; they collect royalties based on play. This is the same for every major gaming software manufacturer, the only difference being the % of royalty.

Secondly, if anything, they may have a total number of players referred by affs involved, which is not the same as the data of each individual player. Also, the total # of players referred by affs <> total # of players in system. Thus they wouldn't be able to correlate those numbers either.

Let's try and find out what went wrong before making wild accusations and apportioning of blame here. I am pretty sure eCOGRA was not complicit, just naive, hence my first post in this thread about integrity. And I am sure MGS is not happy about this situation either but someone has to find out what went wrong first before they can take action.

[AussieDave]

They don't collect royalties on deposits; they collect royalties based on play.

<derail>
Well that's not what I've been told.
I've got that from numerous MGS casino managers & upper management operational personnel.

That's why the casinos changed over to the flash games for bonuses. EG - get $1,000 and 1 hour to play. Before that was introduced the casinos would deposit a $10 free chip or similar into a each new casino players account.

The casino would pay a % of that (base was 25%. The more casinos you had the lower the %) which was paid to MGS. The same goes for every deposit.
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Dave

[spearmaster]

<derail>
Well that's not what I've been told.
I've got that from numerous MGS casino managers & upper management operational personnel.

That's why the casinos changed over to the flash games for bonuses. EG - get $1,000 and 1 hour to play. Before that was introduced the casinos would deposit a $10 free chip or similar into a each new casino players account.

The casino would pay a % of that (base was 25%. The more casinos you had the lower the %) which was paid to MGS. The same goes for every deposit.
</derail>

You've been misled. Royalties are not paid on deposits.

[bonustreak]

After reading this latest letter from Sean at eCogra I really feel that their hands are tied on this. They were approached and asked to do an audit, they did the audit with whatever Grand Prive decided to hand over (remember they had a year to cool the books) and that is that. I for one am done with it and will just be happy to update my blacklist pages and make sure it contains the newest keywords to match all that has gone down these last few weeks and call it a day I cannot be bothered to spend more time on this.

[dominique]

Bryan, have you gotten in contact with Microgaming?

Still patiently waiting, but getting more miffed by the day here. Starting to look like Microgaming doesn't give a flying leap about it's affiliates.