Class 1 Casino don't pay my winning!

[cyprean]

I understand your point there.

While the threats you made were childish, they also told that you were in a desperate situation trying to find any solution to get your money. On the other hand the casino which put you in to the desperate situation in the first place has now another excuse not to pay you.


I agree that the Rogue list should be updated more. A lot of players check out the Rogue list first before playing at a casino, and if any rogue casino isn't mentioned there the players are heading for trouble.

Recently I read a thread where there was a warning about Casino Las Vegas posted by Max. Still Casino Las Vegas wasn't on the rogue list. I think they should be. EDIT: They now are. Good stuff CM&Max!


Back to the OP's point: even though your threats were childish, I think the OP should be paid. I understand that Class1Casino was reborn from the old and rogue Maxima casino and don't like to pay out. Their strategy is pretty obvious; give out big bonuses that hook the losing gamblers, and if anyone happens to win big has there been abuse or not the payment and possible confiscation of winnings is decided by the casino alone. Win win for the casino. Rogue material.

[tofu23]

Originally Posted by cyprean

I agree that the Rogue list should be updated more. A lot of players check out the Rogue list first before playing at a casino, and if any rogue casino isn't mentioned there the players are heading for trouble.

I can't see how anyone can stay on top of a 'rogue list'. There is simply too many thieving online casino rogues out there to effectively monitor.

Much more effective is a recommended or accredited list. You can police that with uncompromising standards.

But in the end I don't put much faith in 'accredited' or 'rogue' lists compiled by affiliates making a living off me losing money. I listen to the collective voice of active online players as to where and where not to play.

[jetset]

Originally Posted by cyprean

Back to the OP's point: even though your threats were childish, I think the OP should be paid. I understand that Class1Casino was reborn from the old and rogue Maxima casino and don't like to pay out. Their strategy is pretty obvious; give out big bonuses that hook the losing gamblers, and if anyone happens to win big has there been abuse or not the payment and possible confiscation of winnings is decided by the casino alone. Win win for the casino. Rogue material.

And of course when the current branding on the casino has been thoroughly besmirched by bad conduct and no-pays, why, the operator can always just rename the damned thing!

[soflat]

The player has threatened criminal actions and he admits to setting up the hardware to carry it out, so there is a chance that he has already been involved in such activity. Now that he thinks he might get some sympathy he's all like: 'sorry I didn't really mean it' and stuff. This is one scary dude.

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by tofu23

....But in the end I don't put much faith in 'accredited' or 'rogue' lists compiled by affiliates making a living off me losing money. ..

Oh, now suddenly you are my accountant and CFO?

You should reread the forum rules concerning troll-like posts.

[thelawnet]

Just got spammed by these people.

Why are they not on the rogue list?

This is clear rogue behaviour.

They have a long list of excluded games, a player chooses the best option out of those that remains and he still doesn't get paid.

And because there are a dozen players busting to every one that wins playing this way, they get to keep the winnings of all the losers, and when a winner slips through and gets lucky, they take his money too.

They are offering a 300% sticky bonus, pretty much unprecendented these days, the only way they can afford to do so is by not paying their winners.

R-O-G-U-E

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by thelawnet

Just got spammed by these people.

Why are they not on the rogue list?

This is clear rogue behaviour.

They have a long list of excluded games, a player chooses the best option out of those that remains and he still doesn't get paid.

And because there are a dozen players busting to every one that wins playing this way, they get to keep the winnings of all the losers, and when a winner slips through and gets lucky, they take his money too.

They are offering a 300% sticky bonus, pretty much unprecendented these days, the only way they can afford to do so is by not paying their winners.

R-O-G-U-E

Well, they ASSUME that the OP is blasting his way through many casinos with this tactic, and winning overall. THIS seems to justify confiscation of winnings. The tactic described by the OP fits the description of "advantage play", but a 12/1 shot is nowhere near as certain as the usual evens double-up bet using the entire bankroll. It does seem that any strategy that succeeds is SUBSEQUENTLY, and "at our discresion" retrospectively deemed "abusive play", and winnings confiscated. The subsequent "grind" was the giveaway though, as a genuine "big hitter" would continue to place chunky sized bets, and perhaps try to "ride" the luck a bit.

However, this tactic is still sufficiently coverable by a specific set of terms and conditions, and a simple one would be banning bets of more than x% of starting bankroll on any singe event, AND covering more than y% of possible outcomes on any single event. This suggestion would have been good enough to outlaw the play of the OP, and since he would have specifically seen this as being "not allowed" would have either played differently, or tried elsewhere, however, C1C would have lost the chance to "nab" an "evil bonus abuser" by giving them a no-win situation, where they could either lose, or have their deposit returned. This is simply C1C being an "advantage casino", as they know full well there are scores of bonus hunters out there, so set the bait (300% SUB), and wait for them to bite, and then look to keep the money from the 11 in 12 failed attempts, and refunding the deposits of the 1 in 12 that win & grind out WR. This gives the casino quite an advantage, and one they would not have if they were specific in what was, or was not, seen as "genuine play".

Here is the really interesting bit:-

The Casino reserves the right to bar any promotion abusers from receiving any further promotions at CLASS 1 CASINO, as well as the right to pass on any information regarding known abusers to Playtech. This will ensure that they will be barred from promotions at all Casinos utilizing the services of Playtech.

This is the clearest description that I have ever seen that this blacklist is specifically a Playtech one, rather than an "industry database", and that the route by which this information reaches this database is via Playtech.

For the rep - are you aware that, according to Playtech, no such database exists, and you are SERIOUSLY damaging the credibility of Playtech in suggesting otherwise? Is this just a threat without substance, to scare off "bonus abusers"?

IF this is complete BS, since we are assured that no such database exists, i.e. one specifically for Playtech casinos, and OPERATED by Playtech, then Playtech should be all over this outfit to DEMAND the removal, and REBUTTAL, of this damaging statement that has implicated Playtech in having direct involvment in operating a database of "bonus abusers".

OP could even test this out. Open an account at a COMPLETELY UNRELATED Playtech casino, and THEN ask support to check whether or not he is eligible for bonuses. Perhaps give them a hint, as they may not actually check, say the question is because there was some trouble with another casino over bonuses in the past.

Unfortunately, threats of DDos attacks from the OP have seriously undermined his credibility, and chances of receiving a resolution, HOWEVER, the Meister has not banned him based on this, even though he has admitted he did indeed make such threats.

[Markus]

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

OP could even test this out. Open an account at a COMPLETELY UNRELATED Playtech casino, and THEN ask support to check whether or not he is eligible for bonuses. Perhaps give them a hint, as they may not actually check, say the question is because there was some trouble with another casino over bonuses in the past.

After this event I have signed up at several other Playtech casinos and received their bonuses with no problems whatsoever. I haven't ask the support everytime if I'm eligible for the bonus or not, but I guess if there would be such a database they would check it before they give me any bonus.

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by Markus

After this event I have signed up at several other Playtech casinos and received their bonuses with no problems whatsoever. I haven't ask the support everytime if I'm eligible for the bonus or not, but I guess if there would be such a database they would check it before they give me any bonus.

Looks like an idle threat then, however, the issue of whether or not there is a database of "bonus abusers" is hotly debated, and when casinos have such terms, it lands Playtech in the proverbial, especially so this one, as it states very clearly this is a "Playtech database" rather than the generic "industry database".

As for checking it, more likely this will happen when you CASH OUT, rather than when you are credited with the bonus, so you are NOT out of danger by any means, and you could find yourself faced yet again with confiscation of winnings. If this ever happens, ask why, it SHOULD relate to your play at the casino in question, even though any answer will be vague. Only when you cash out from a Playtech SUB can you be sure this was a bluff on the part of C1C in their terms, perhaps as I said, to scare off the "evil bonus abusers".

[Markus]

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

As for checking it, more likely this will happen when you CASH OUT, rather than when you are credited with the bonus, so you are NOT out of danger by any means, and you could find yourself faced yet again with confiscation of winnings.

I have just looked into my statistical records and I have counted 49 Playtech withdrawals since then. In all of them a bonus was involved and none of them were confiscated.