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**chayton** · 7th September 2011, 10:19 AM

Well I have a theory...I used to play RTG when they had maybe 10 games. If I played 10 or 15 spins and didn't win anything I'd try another game. Eventually I'd find the one that was paying out. But now they have so many games I usually run out of money before finding the winning one!

Not always though, I've had a few decent hits at RTG lately. Not at Rushmore though, my luck has always been crap there.

**daveboz** · 7th September 2011, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by sandykauf

Besides the lack of bonus rounds on rtg, I've noticed huge differences on
Both payout and potential of these games:

Trex, mystic dragon and crystal waters. I've always felt that any of these
Games had potential to hit big. I just feel something in the software
Has changed regarding these slots in particular. Paydirt also has gotten
Extremely tough to win anything as well.

It's ashame because I used to like playing all these games.

I see your point. I have had big winners at each of those slots but dead since. I have been p;laying the other less popular ones lately which have had some hit and miss payouts. It seems like the RTP is player and slot specific. Like the software recognizes how well this slot or that slot has paid out to you over time just based on IP address. Plus, since we know the casinos have no control over anything, or so they say, it all comes back to the servers at RTG.

**chuchu59** · 7th September 2011, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by nisosbar

Personally, I think it's the contribution to the random jackpot that lowers expected returns on each winning spin.

While this is true my belief is that the reduced payouts are not easily noticeable. I am not quite sure but werent RJs already there from Day 1 once the real-series slots were introduced.

**Nifty29** · 7th September 2011, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by daveboz

I see your point. I have had big winners at each of those slots but dead since. I have been p;laying the other less popular ones lately which have had some hit and miss payouts. It seems like the RTP is player and slot specific. Like the software recognizes how well this slot or that slot has paid out to you over time just based on IP address. Plus, since we know the casinos have no control over anything, or so they say, it all comes back to the servers at RTG.

Quite a revelation Dave.

Can you please share your data with us? You obviously have it as surely nobody would make accusations like that without it?

I'm looking forward to it.

(Does this mean, now that you have revealed the player and slot-specific RTP system that RTG employ, that you will no longer be playing at RTG? I mean, one would look quite silly if they continued to play on blatantly cheating software right?)

**daveboz** · 7th September 2011, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Nifty29

Quite a revelation Dave.

Can you please share your data with us? You obviously have it as surely nobody would make accusations like that without it?

I'm looking forward to it.

(Does this mean, now that you have revealed the player and slot-specific RTP system that RTG employ, that you will no longer be playing at RTG? I mean, one would look quite silly if they continued to play on blatantly cheating software right?)

What accusation? I have clearly stated IT SEEMS LIKE.. Which is my opinion. Man, you are hilarious.

Regarding my comment about RTG servers? All I ever hear from CS is they have no control which means RTG controls all the strings. Not bad for aa company who controls what 95% of the US market? I'm wrong to suspect any questionable activity from an organization with a near monopoly status? Applies to any industry!

**Nifty29** · 7th September 2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by daveboz

What accusation? I have clearly stated IT SEEMS LIKE.. Which is my opinion. Man, you are hilarious.

Regarding my comment about RTG servers? All I ever hear from CS is they have no control which means RTG controls all the strings. Not bad for aa company who controls what 95% of the US market? I'm wrong to suspect any questionable activity from an organization with a near monopoly status? Applies to any industry!

OK....your opinion based on what? Losing? I don't see how anyone can even have an opinion based on nothing, so I assumed you must have collated some data.

There is nothing wrong with suspecting "questionable activity" or having an opinion that it SEEMS like they are controlling payouts on a personal level or via OP. Nothing at all. What does that say about you then when you continue to play there? No way in the world would I play games that I thought were cheating, and I doubt most other intelligent people would either. If you have a good reason as to why you DO keep playing, I would be genuinely interested to hear it.....because from where I sit, it just looks like someone ranting when they lose and struggling to understand how slot machines operate, and it hardly convinces me to subscribe to your point of view when you obviously don't really believe it yourself (otherwise you wouldn't play, right?)

**daveboz** · 7th September 2011, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Nifty29

OK....your opinion based on what? Losing? I don't see how anyone can even have an opinion based on nothing, so I assumed you must have collated some data.

There is nothing wrong with suspecting "questionable activity" or having an opinion that it SEEMS like they are controlling payouts on a personal level or via OP. Nothing at all. What does that say about you then when you continue to play there? No way in the world would I play games that I thought were cheating, and I doubt most other intelligent people would either. If you have a good reason as to why you DO keep playing, I would be genuinely interested to hear it.....because from where I sit, it just looks like someone ranting when they lose and struggling to understand how slot machines operate, and it hardly convinces me to subscribe to your point of view when you obviously don't really believe it yourself (otherwise you wouldn't play, right?)

Can I ask you a simple question? Do you have a day job? Seriously what do you do away from this blog? I've already shared what I do for a living..

**Nifty29** · 7th September 2011, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by daveboz

Can I ask you a simple question? Do you have a day job? Seriously what do you do away from this blog? I've already shared what I do for a living..

Good for you.

I share personal information with selected people. You have not been selected.

In addition, your question is irrelevant to the discussion.

Also, this is not a blog.

**mrjones** · 7th September 2011, 05:44 PM

lmao (dave) ( nifty ) plz settle down guys we all know you love to hate each other ! hahahahaha

**reda** · 7th September 2011, 06:39 PM

@ chayton i have to agree with you. back when rtg had only a few slots it was much easier to find a slot that might be lose. now with so many new games available i too go broke just trying to get a feature on any of them.
i alwalys feel that the games know when its time to dry up. like if i get lucky i know it wont last long so i better make the right choices in my betting. well needless to say i never make the right choices as i bust out. but for a short time i have hope of a cash out and then *phoof * GONE