Corrupt Online Gaming

[taysh075]

His last post has the feeling of someone writing their last letter, directed by the murderer who is going to shoot them.

It just didn't sit right with me.

I agree Just Play that last post just didn't sound like him at all.

[skiny]

Online gambling may be corrupt, it may not. But you can say this for a lot of things in life, especially in gambling - horse racing, greyhounds etc etc.

However, I do think that to be able to gamble online is totally irresponsible by all parties involved - the casino, the player and whoever else comes in to it.

With these outrageous betting limits on slots (now up to about £500 a spin in some places, possibly more) and also with roulette and blackjack (betting £1,000s per hands/spin) it's a sure road to disaster.

It's absolutely disgusting to think that you can sign in to a website, enter your debit/credit details and spend your life savings in a matter of a few hours or even, minutes.

Stop now. Let's go back to our parents era, or grandparents. A night out at the casino was fun in those days. Not anymore and especially not online.

The only way to beat the casinos is by NOT PLAYING at the casinos.

Online gambling should be banned outright. It's a sick hobby that doesn't need regulation, no - it needs to be stopped altogether.

Well, since we're eliminating online gambling because it can lead to ruined lives, suicide and murder I think we should clean up the rest of the planet of pesky vices that have similar potential.

Alcohol is the most obvious. Alcoholism can be directly blamed for millions of deaths and prohibition is really the only logical answer.

And of course another one of the most prevalent would be eating. Obesity has caused the death of millions. We can't actually stop people from eating all together for obvious reasons but maybe we can ban everything unhealthy and limit everyone's intake somehow. Even more efficient - we can ban the sale of food privately all together and have everyone gather to eat at lettuce and carrot juice bars a few times a day.

And of course there is sex. True sex addictions are not quite as common but sex has been the cause of death and ruin many times. I have personally never killed anyone with sex although I might have killed their appetite for it. This might be a little harder to ban without chastity belts and artificial insemination for procreation but it wouldn’t be impossible. A sex ban would probably lead to masturbation addictions though so some people might require straight jackets. I personally know more than one person who could probably use one anyway.

Now without booze, food and sex, depression will be a likely result for many but we can’t actually medicate anyone because antidepressants tend to be addictive… You know what? Maybe it would just be easier to let people spin a few slots when they’re bored and try to help the few that have a problem with moderation.

[Nate]

Actually, one of the screenshots was posted by casinojack sometime last year in the thread where he was boasting on how he could make the changes. RTG asked for this screenshot to be removed which I complied. They are at loath to have the backend of their software available for public viewing, which in my opinion is understandable. That guy never should have had access to the admin backend to begin with.

Thanks Bryan...

I have just one question, are you POSITIVE that the issue with 4OAK has to do with Casino33 and Casinojack whatsoever? Not to sound full of it but, If this is the case, could you kindly post something that proves that this Casino/Member is in fact the same issue?

Nate

[chayton]

I have personally never killed anyone with sex although I might have killed their appetite for it.

Didn't we used to date? hahahhaha....that's some funny sh*t skiny...

[Kenny Lingus]

Remember, the only changes they could make are between 3 different settings anyway and nobody playing would notice a few % change in RTP.

Really? Are you 100% absolutely positively sure of the contents of this statement?

This is the kind of assertion that many in this forum put forth in their posts, taken by many forum participants as fact. This statement is heresay at worst, and a semi-educated opinion at best. Even if this appears to be true to someone who knows the back end of a RTG casino operation, these settings might just be there for show. Who is to say there is not another, less known way to alter the software into paying out less? Certainly, if this option was available to the casino owner, it would behoove those involved to keep this "feature" of the software extemely quiet.

To repeat myself from earlir in this thread: I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO OFFER IRREFUTABLE PROOF THAT ONLINE GAMBLING, OR ANY SMALLER DEFINED SECTOR THEREOF, IS NOT MANIPULATED (above normal house advantage) FOR THE HOUSE'S GAIN IN SOMEWAY. Not your opinion mind you, or even a preponderance of evidence, but absolute proof.

There are many online casino apologists here......Any takers?

RTG asked for this screenshot to be removed which I complied. They are at loath to have the backend of their software available for public viewing, which in my opinion is understandable.

Bryan, I think your integrity is unquestionable, but I also think that some of the positions that you take are influenced by where you must stand on isssues to be taken seriously by the casinos themselves. With all due respect, I think that your stance here on this item is influenced as such.

I ask you, why is it important for RTG to keep the public in the dark about the workings of their software? My guess is that the less we know, the less chance anyone has of spotting an inconsistency.

A B&M casino cannot keep part of their operation "hidden" from gaming officials. It must be open for inspection at any moment, with the authorities acting in the public's interest to make sure all is above board.

Online casinos live in the virtual world, where their gaming operations do not exist in the tangible world, only in programmer's code. Unless you are an expert programmer with unfettered access to the entire code over time, particularily without prior notice necessary to gain access, one cannot be absolutely sure how that virtual world is being manipulated within that code. Checking the aggregate results, after the fact, which is how outfits like PwC operate, will not detect a well-camoflaged manipualation of the software.

Caveat Emptor!

[skiny]

Didn't we used to date? hahahhaha....that's some funny sh*t skiny...

Well, obiviously we didn't. You're still speaking to me.

duh.

[just play]

[chayton]

I ask you, why is it important for RTG to keep the public in the dark about the workings of their software? My guess is that the less we know, the less chance anyone has of spotting an inconsistency.

A B&M casino cannot keep part of their operation "hidden" from gaming officials. It must be open for inspection at any moment, with the authorities acting in the public's interest to make sure all is above board.

To be fair, the public isn't allowed access to the workings of B&M casino software either.

But that reminds me of something - I used to go to the casinos here and got to know a few of the people who work there. Interestingly enough, the people who were employed by the casino weren't allowed to gamble there even on their day off or while they were on holiday.

I found that interesting....what would the reason be for that? Could it be that the casino employees would have an unfair advantage? Know which slots were loose at a given time?

Sorry if this is a derail of the original thread, if so everybody just please ignore me.

[MommyMachine]

I have personally never killed anyone with sex although I might have killed their appetite for it.

[jod5413]

To be fair, the public isn't allowed access to the workings of B&M casino software either.

But that reminds me of something - I used to go to the casinos here and got to know a few of the people who work there. Interestingly enough, the people who were employed by the casino weren't allowed to gamble there even on their day off or while they were on holiday.

I found that interesting....what would the reason be for that? Could it be that the casino employees would have an unfair advantage? Know which slots were loose at a given time?

Sorry if this is a derail of the original thread, if so everybody just please ignore me.

This is no derail, it is a great question. I would think that if regular customers saw their dealer playing on their day off, the customer might think he has an inside tip from working there. And, in fact, if he did win, I KNOW players would cry foul. Human nature being what it is, it could cause too many problems for the casino.