More BS from Inetbet!!

[mattsgame]

Ok, playing devils advocate here...if one breeches the T&C'c does one deserve their money back?

If one wins and breaks the T&C's does one deserve their monies back if winnings got voided?

If one loses and breaks the T&C's does one deserve their monies back?

I feel one should not get anything back on either score simply because it was not the casino that broke the T&C's , it was the player. On the other hand, if the player chooses to use a bonus then the onus is on them to make sure they understand it all in all areas of the conditions, not just in the basic terms.

I believe one cannot have it both ways. Otherwise we would all have a blast playing with bonuses then if we lost we could claim innocence on the T&C's saying it was hidden, or written poorly etc etc..and demand our monies back..each and every time..

Why not just stop the foolishness of playing with a bonus (I feel anyone playing with certain bonuses are playing russian roulette with their own monies)and demand better play and returns and forget the bonuses as they are now that do nothing but harm in every shape and form?

It is not for the casino to offer anything worth making a profit on..so why in the world would one think that this gives them a leg up on playing? Bonuses offered today are not good, period.

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Great points and I agree with almost all of it, So what would be the answer, if you are in the casinos shoes?

Casinos don't return your deposit if you have broken the t&c's regardless of whether you tried to cash out or you lose your deposit.

Most of the reputable casinos do return the deposit which is quite strange to me as I assumed T&C's where there for a reason.

This is why I seldom take bonuses,I remain to only take bonuses at 1 casino because there terms and conditions are straight forward.

Cheer
Matt

[takethemoney]

Casinos that would allow some players to run all over them, as some of you are suggesting, would not be in business for very long. Bonuses have rules and I feel nothing for people who do not read and follow them, then come whining here because their withdrawal got denied. People, please!

[Rusty]

Ok, playing devils advocate here...if one breeches the T&C'c does one deserve their money back?

If one wins and breaks the T&C's does one deserve their monies back if winnings got voided?

If one loses and breaks the T&C's does one deserve their monies back?

I feel one should not get anything back on either score simply because it was not the casino that broke the T&C's , it was the player. On the other hand, if the player chooses to use a bonus then the onus is on them to make sure they understand it all in all areas of the conditions, not just in the basic terms.

I believe one cannot have it both ways. Otherwise we would all have a blast playing with bonuses then if we lost we could claim innocence on the T&C's saying it was hidden, or written poorly etc etc..and demand our monies back..each and every time..

Why not just stop the foolishness of playing with a bonus (I feel anyone playing with certain bonuses are playing russian roulette with their own monies)and demand better play and returns and forget the bonuses as they are now that do nothing but harm in every shape and form?

It is not for the casino to offer anything worth making a profit on..so why in the world would one think that this gives them a leg up on playing? Bonuses offered today are not good, period.

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But that is exactly what the Casino is doing - taking bets with no possibility of losing, the player who breaks the T&C when making an incorrect deposit only has it one way, lose.
The point is that the Casino has taken wagers it has no intention of honouring or in other words the player has no possible way of winning - in these circumstances the casino should return the deposits of losing players otherwise they are being dishonest plain and simple.

What you are really suggesting in this situation is that a player who deposits a larger amount and incorrectly takes the final bonus should immediately have their deposit confiscated by the casino (As a sort of fine)
Actually that would be a lot more honest than taking bets in the full knowledge a player could not possibly win.

So how about it Inetbet?
Just confiscate deposits made that break the T&C's?

Oh yeah I forgot that it is impossible to determine if the rules were broken except upon a cashout request of course - how does that work again?

[LHofsdal]

I really don't think that Inet is in the wrong here. The T&C's are clearly listed with the promotion. Yes, it is only 4 dollars, but if everone made that mistake and they let it fly, they would be out alot of money.

IMOP, I think they did the right thing by refunding the deposit. This thread could have started as "Inet took my winnings and my deposit and won't give it back", but it didn't. All to often lately we have members posting here how they lost their winnings and deposit and had their accounts locked, and the "Decision is Final". But Inet didn't do that, they returned the original deposit.

What we must all remember is that it is OUR(the players) responsibility to read the T&C's and understand them. While it is a PITA that Inet does not have live support to help players, the OP had stated they have played at Inet for a while. We are all human and we all make mistakes, it happens. But I really don't see what all the hoopla is about here against Inet. The OP made a mistake, Inet refunded the deposit and she did deposit there again.

We are all going to have our own opinions on this, and IMOP Inet didn't do anything wrong.

Just my 2 cents.

LH

[silcnlayc]

Rusty:But that is exactly what the Casino is doing - taking bets with no possibility of losing, the player who breaks the T&C when making an incorrect deposit only has it one way, lose.
The point is that the Casino has taken wagers it has no intention of honouring or in other words the player has no possible way of winning - in these circumstances the casino should return the deposits of losing players otherwise they are being dishonest plain and simple.

This is why I say a player is playing russian roulette with their own monies by taking a bonus.

I really, really do not feel sorry for anyone that takes a bonus and tries to bend the rules their way. Of course the casino is going to allow a player to play wrong. Why not? I feel that is in no way dishonest. Because it is right there in front of the player the rules. If the player chooses to ignore them then they should not be rewarded with returning their monies, should they?? I mean c'mon, really??

If the player didn't read it, then how is that the fault of the casino? Why should a casino give back monies played already ? The player enjoyed it while they played didn't they? And all this talk about gambling for "entertainment " purposes only ? Why then demand you r monies back after screwing up if it was for this purpose and you enjoyed it regardless??

Think of it this way. To make a deposit, it costs the casino monies for every transaction, deposits or withdrawals..if a player is foolish enough to play on a bonus and not read the rules, then it is not up to the casino to "babysit" them is it?

I mean, if I walked into the grocery store, purchased something for $5 bucks and gave the cashier $20 bucks...walked out of the store with $10 in change not realizing I was shortchanged by the cashier after driving down the road a few hundred miles (spins), you have 2 options here..drive all the way back (which would cost more than it is worth in your reputation) and demand your money back without proof of being shortchanged or keep on driving and bite the bullet over the loss (knowing you were at fault)because you failed to count your monies and see no way to "prove" you were shortchanged...this would happen only one time with me before I chose to not take odd bonuses...

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[Rusty]

This is why I say a player is playing russian roulette with their own monies by taking a bonus.

I really, really do not feel sorry for anyone that takes a bonus and tries to bend the rules their way. Of course the casino is going to allow a player to play wrong. Why not? I feel that is in no way dishonest. Because it is right there in front of the player the rules. If the player chooses to ignore them then they should not be rewarded with returning their monies, should they?? I mean c'mon, really??

If the player didn't read it, then how is that the fault of the casino? Why should a casino give back monies played already ? The player enjoyed it while they played didn't they? And all this talk about gambling for "entertainment " purposes only ? Why then demand you r monies back after screwing up if it was for this purpose and you enjoyed it regardless??

Think of it this way. To make a deposit, it costs the casino monies for every transaction, deposits or withdrawals..if a player is foolish enough to play on a bonus and not read the rules, then it is not up to the casino to "babysit" them is it?

I mean, if I walked into the grocery store, purchased something for $5 bucks and gave the cashier $20 bucks...walked out of the store with $10 in change not realizing I was shortchanged by the cashier after driving down the road a few hundred miles (spins), you have 2 options here..drive all the way back (which would cost more than it is worth in your reputation) and demand your money back without proof of being shortchanged or keep on driving and bite the bullet over the loss (knowing you were at fault)because you failed to count your monies and see no way to "prove" you were shortchanged...this would happen only one time with me before I chose to not take odd bonuses...

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How is having a void bet returned being rewarded?
If you make a void bet on a betting high street office your money is refunded, period, no reward no gain for anyone, just quits.
The only reward here goes to the Casinos by the way of void bets being retained.

Is the grocery store teller dishonest?

Seriously though , if you want an analogy the betting shop void bet is a more realistic and relevant one in my view and yes you should expect your money back from an honest operation.

As I say, if your argument is that players deserve what they get and Casinos are within their rights to retain void bets then Inetbet may as well confiscate the deposit immediately - only they don't for good reason.

If forum members believe a player being penalised their deposit for what may easily be a genuine mistake is not only ok but right and fair I don't know what to say to be honest.

If Inetbet are within their rights under the T&C's to void all winnings because all bets were void then they also have a moral (and legal if properly regulated) obligation to return all losing bets that were void under the same conditions.

For gaming the system should:
i. be capable of voiding gambles and restoring the amount gambled to the customer automatically, or in conjunction with manual operational controls

[silcnlayc]

Rusty: How is having a void bet returned being rewarded?

What I am understandeing you say is that it really is not void until the player tries to claim something from doing wrong. Then it should be deemed void? They already enjoyed the pleasure of playing the games so they already had their "enjoyment" so to speak whereas a voided bet has not been completed at all...which nullifies it..when depositing and playing for hours or minutes etc..you already got your return for the monies invested unlike a bet that never materialized or made it to completion...the other has, the deposit..right up to a withdrawal or total loss..a void is for something NOT completed...JMO..

Rusty: Seriously though , if you want an analogy the betting shop void bet is a more realistic and relevant one in my view and yes you should expect your money back from an honest operation

Yes, I am lousy with anologies..but at least I try to get a thought across in my own inept way..here is another one as I said...one that is completed cannot be a void..

Why are my bets void on some Tennis matches where a player retires and not on others?
The Betfair policy is to void matches where at least one set isn’t completed.

Unlike some players that COMPLETE their play then request a withdrawal..only to find that they misread or did not follow rules..how is that a refundable policy? I am trying to reach where you are trying to go but cannot since you are saying one thing when another has already happened...such as the player already had fun but wait! They did it wrong so give them their monies back..is the way I am seeing it..

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[winbig]

Audimaninboro et al - nice assumptions but incorrect I am afraid.

nygirl30 has agreed they made a mistake with this particular promotion and has drawn a line under it.

They actually played again yesterday - so it doesn't look like the OP has stopped playing as you assume. In fact they claimed another chip, cashed out and were paid already.

I hope you all had a great Labor Day yesterday.

Best Regards
iNetBet Promos

So how about answering Rusty's question?

Have you went through and audited the players that deposited more on the last bonus and refunded their deposits back to their account and made them start over, as well?

I mean, that is the rules and all...you said it yourself. All play is void if a player deposits more on any given bonus level.

[Rusty]

What I am understandeing you say is that it really is not void until the player tries to claim something from doing wrong. Then it should be deemed void? They already enjoyed the pleasure of playing the games so they already had their "enjoyment" so to speak whereas a voided bet has not been completed at all...which nullifies it..when depositing and playing for hours or minutes etc..you already got your return for the monies invested unlike a bet that never materialized or made it to completion...the other has, the deposit..right up to a withdrawal or total loss..a void is for something NOT completed...JMO..Yes, I am lousy with anologies..but at least I try to get a thought across in my own inept way..here is another one as I said...one that is completed cannot be a void.. Unlike some players that COMPLETE their play then request a withdrawal..only to find that they misread or did not follow rules..how is that a refundable policy? I am trying to reach where you are trying to go but cannot since you are saying one thing when another has already happened...such as the player already had fun but wait! They did it wrong so give them their monies back..is the way I am seeing it..

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Hey Silc, where did that tennis quote come from - nothing to do with me.

No I am saying that if the T&C are broken upon the deposit and not during the wagering as in this instance then all and any bet made from such a deposit are void.
How can a bet that is void before it is even placed be completed?

I am only using the same rule as the casino do to justify denial of winnings.
It has nothing to do with whether one gets enjoyment from playing from a deposit they can not win on thereafter though personally I don't understand how anyone would enjoy such a situation as to have their real money treated as play money.

In a scenario where the T&C's are only broken during play then my view is that all bets from this point become void - the player and Casino can neither win nor lose.
It could be argued that all prior bets from the same deposit should be void as well because it could affect how the player bets later.
Again if you believe the player should be penalised for any breach of T&C's by forfeiting their deposit to the casino as a means for the casino to protect itself from any advantage players, I do not agree.
If I did agree it would need to state this clearly in the Casinos T&C's.
"Any breach of the Casino T&C's will result in confiscation of the players remaining balance"
Not sure that will ever make print though many casinos seem to act upon such an invisible clause.

The T&C's are there to protect the casinos (they are made by the casinos not the players you know) and as in this case they can be applied to deny winnings. Hence they are protected.
Whether there should be any discretion as to what constitutes a bonus abuser or real player who makes a genuine mistake is another argument but I think it is safe to say in this case that the player made a genuine mistake and indeed Inetbet themselves have proved this by stating the player accepted their decision and still plays at their Casino- hardly the actions of a bonus abuser.
Anyway would an advantage player really deposit $15 with -ev bonus?

Lets be honest, the casino knew full well the player made a genuine mistake but chose to enforce the T&C's and confiscate the winnings.
They were within their rights to do so but my point is that if they are such sticklers for the rules then they should be seeking out all the losing void bets and refunding them as well - you know if rules are rules.
The heads we win tails you lose scenario which you ascribe to is not justifiable and the only way I would ever consider a Casino retaining a players deposit (where the loss was not from valid losing bets made) would be in a case of fraud.
In that instance I would expect the Casino return the funds where possible to the rightful owner.
If a player attempts to defraud a casino with his own money then my sentiments may be different depending on the circumstances.

[silcnlayc]

Rusty: Hey Silc, where did that tennis quote come from - nothing to do with me.

No I am saying that if the T&C are broken upon the deposit and not during the wagering as in this instance then all and any bet made from such a deposit are void.
How can a bet that is void before it is even placed be completed?

I am only using the same rule as the casino do to justify denial of winnings.
It has nothing to do with whether one gets enjoyment from playing from a deposit they can not win on thereafter though personally I don't understand how anyone would enjoy such a situation as to have their real money treated as play money.

In a scenario where the T&C's are only broken during play then my view is that all bets from this point become void - the player and Casino can neither win nor lose.
It could be argued that all prior bets from the same deposit should be void as well because it could affect how the player bets later.
Again if you believe the player should be penalised for any breach of T&C's by forfeiting their deposit to the casino as a means for the casino to protect itself from any advantage players, I do not agree.
If I did agree it would need to state this clearly in the Casinos T&C's.
"Any breach of the Casino T&C's will result in confiscation of the players remaining balance"
Not sure that will ever make print though many casinos seem to act upon such an invisible clause.

The T&C's are there to protect the casinos (they are made by the casinos not the players you know) and as in this case they can be applied to deny winnings. Hence they are protected.
Whether there should be any discretion as to what constitutes a bonus abuser or real player who makes a genuine mistake is another argument but I think it is safe to say in this case that the player made a genuine mistake and indeed Inetbet themselves have proved this by stating the player accepted their decision and still plays at their Casino- hardly the actions of a bonus abuser.
Anyway would an advantage player really deposit $15 with -ev bonus?

Lets be honest, the casino knew full well the player made a genuine mistake but chose to enforce the T&C's and confiscate the winnings.
They were within their rights to do so but my point is that if they are such sticklers for the rules then they should be seeking out all the losing void bets and refunding them as well - you know if rules are rules.
The heads we win tails you lose scenario which you ascribe to is not justifiable and the only way I would ever consider a Casino retaining a players deposit (where the loss was not from valid losing bets made) would be in a case of fraud.
In that instance I would expect the Casino return the funds where possible to the rightful owner.
If a player attempts to defraud a casino with his own money then my sentiments may be different depending on the circumstances.

Still reading and re-reading...working on comprehending and understanding your thoughts..be with you in a minute!

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