RTG and RTP - the official word

**Casinomeister** · 7th June 2010, 03:20 PM

Ah yes, another RTG RTP thread

What makes this one different is that it's an official statement from RTG

When I was in Montreal for the GIGSE, I sat down with one of their executives and clarified a few things - one was the RTP that has created a number of discussions. Here is the scoop on what goes on:

There are three settings for the RTP on RTG slots. 91.5, 95 & 97.5%. When games are released they are set at the default 95%. The 91% is designed primarily for those operators who use RTG software for Asian kiosks and Internet cafes where these games are played. 95% of all RTG casinos have their slots set at 95% - ed. note: we've already seen two operators (iNetBet, ClubWorld) state that they have never messed with the settings. We can assume that their slots are all set at 95%

The operator does not have the ability to change the setting. If the operator wishes to have a setting change, he/she must submit a request for the change in writing with a reason. Once this is processed by RTG the setting is changed. This change affects the game for the entire platform - not for specific players.

Future game releases will probably omit the 97.5% RTP and only include 91 and 95 with the 95% gut remaining as the default. Players need to understand that the RTG real time slots are very volatile, and your results may be higher or lower depending on the length of your play time. These games are tested with over 100 million spins before being released.

I hope this will clear up any misunderstandings, rumors, etc.

**KasinoKing** · 7th June 2010, 03:25 PM

Well I suppose that's good news!

Funny they didn't mention the ones which have a 94% setting instead of 95%. I guess we'll have to assume that would be the default on those.

KK

**chuchu59** · 7th June 2010, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

Well I suppose that's good news!

Funny they didn't mention the ones which have a 94% setting instead of 95%. I guess we'll have to assume that would be the default on those.

KK

Am I wrong in saying that the statement by RTG means there should be no settings other than 91.5%, 95% and 97.5%?

Slots are volatile by nature but IMO RTG should have clarified this a long time ago especially when Dogboy001 was still active in the forum. Oh well, better late than never I guess. Hopefully, the casinos wont adopt the 91.5%. It's way too low especially when there are huge WRs to be met. A pity that 97.5% will be omitted for the new releases. Seems there will be less playtime for your buck in future.

**winbig** · 7th June 2010, 06:26 PM

Hold on...I'm confused.

note: we've already seen two operators (iNetBet, ClubWorld) state that they have never messed with the settings. We can assume that their slots are all set at 95%

Ok, this statement makes it seem as if the operators can change the settings at will. Why would they take an operators word, and assume that their RTP % are set to 95%, if the below statement is in fact true?

The operator does not have the ability to change the setting. If the operator wishes to have a setting change, he/she must submit a request for the change in writing with a reason. Once this is processed by RTG the setting is changed. This change affects the game for the entire platform - not for specific players.

If this was in fact true, then there is no reason that RTG has to "assume" that their payouts are set to 95%. They would have a hard copy of the change request, and would be able to quote from that.

Again, why would the operator have to tell RTG what their RTP is? RTG should know this stuff.

**Simmo!** · 7th June 2010, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by winbig

note: we've already seen two operators (iNetBet, ClubWorld) state that they have never messed with the settings. We can assume that their slots are all set at 95%

Hold on...I'm confused.

Ok, this statement makes it seem as if the operators can change the settings at will. Why would they take an operators word, and assume that their RTP % are set to 95%, if the below statement is in fact true?

You missed out two important letters in your quoted text Winbig:

It said "Ed. Note"...not "Note" as you quoted.

"Ed. Note" standing for "Editors note", meaning Bryan noted that - it wasn't part of the RTG statement.

**Casinomeister** · 7th June 2010, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Simmo!

You missed out two important letters in your quoted text Winbig:

It said "Ed. Note"...not "Note" as you quoted.

"Ed. Note" standing for "Editors note", meaning Bryan noted that - it wasn't part of the RTG statement.

Correct - that was my note. Since the default is set at 95%, and both these operators have stated that they have never messed with the settings, then we can assume that the RTP for their slots is 95%.

**Simmo!** · 7th June 2010, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Correct - that was my note. Since the default is set at 95%, and both these operators have stated that they have never messed with the settings, then we can assume that the RTP for their slots is 95%.

FYI, Club World told me theirs was 95% back in January and Tom recently posted their annual payout percentages in another thread which seemed to back this up.

**takethemoney** · 7th June 2010, 09:41 PM

I'm sitting here right now trying to calculate how big of a bankroll I'm going to need to play 100 million spins, so I can test the RTP.

Thanks CM!

**funeral979** · 7th June 2010, 10:30 PM

My only question is here is, where does the whole 'double pear' on Fruit Frenzy fit into this?

This was something that was only noticed recently (maybe in the last year or so?). If I remember correctly, it was pretty much implied that casinos with the double pear on FF had their slots set at the lowest setting (91.5%). Even if it wasn't though, this was noticed at alot of RTG casinos.....so we can only assume from this that there were quite a few RTG casinos that had their RTP settings changed at some point in the last year or so. So either the figure of 95% of all RTGs have their slots set at 95% is an exaggeration....or the double pear was/is in fact a HIGHER setting?

Or am I missing something here?

**blacklabrador** · 7th June 2010, 11:11 PM

I have played nothing but MG sites up until 2 months ago. From my expieriences, MG is much more steady it seems on payouts than RTG sites. I have had some nice cashouts on video poker over the years on Riverbelle which has MG ( Hit 2 royals in one night totalling 30k.) However, it seems as if RTG is VERY streaky when it comes to slots and video poker.

I have been on the good side of bonus round after bonus round on games and also been on the the bad side where you can spin a couple hundred times and get no bonuses. I am on club world and I am wondering if it is 95% or 91%, i highly doubt it is 97%.