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Nedplay ALLOWS Cheaters

Roanan

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Hmmmm.....

It seems that Nedplay ALLOWS people to have multiple accounts and ALLOWS them to abuse and cheat the freeroll tournament.

First and second place are the SAME PERSON. :eek:
 
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I do realize that multiple accounts are not allowed.

I'm just appalled that, we the player, have to do the job the site's security department are PAID TO DO.

As I am in the top 10 for that particular tournament (the only reason I noticed) and first and second were won by the same cheater, I should be given 5th place prize instead of the 7th place that I got.
 
But its not always immediately obvious - that player may have only just registered the second account, maybe a different IP, email address, address etc. The software will only do so much recognition and that is down to Microgaming, not the casino. Email them, tell them, you might get pumped up the list :)
 
I have PM'd DutchRobin regarding this issue.

I would contact Nedplay directly, but we already know that their customer service/support department sucks.

They never respond when a live chat is requested, and their support ticketing system has always taken them at least 5 days to respond.
 
Maybe its someone from the Casino playing, that would explain that he wins really good money.
Dont beleive everything that is written in Casino terms and conditions, owners and reps do play at the casino, when the casino has a lot of money to pay, they play so they lower that percentage, so the players get even less...
 
Woot!!:eek::eek:
He comes in first AND second place in the Tombraider tourney, and now also first/second in the Avalon tourney?
Smells fishy. Or, smells like an entire fishmarket.:mad:

The fact that he has multiple aliases can be explained, but how the hell does he manage to WIN with all of them?!:confused:

Cant wait to hear what Nedplay has to say about this.
 
Hmmmm.....

It seems that Nedplay ALLOWS people to have multiple accounts and ALLOWS them to abuse and cheat the freeroll tournament.

First and second place are the SAME PERSON. :eek:

Am I missing something here? Only the names you have circled are different?
First place is Jospatnp
Second place is Josasanp

Coincidence perhaps the names are similar? For all you know it could be 2 friends competing against eachother, maybe 2 brothers, who knows!

Other than that, it may just be as Simmo pointed out that a multiple alias has slipped through the net for now.

Mike
 
Am I missing something here? Only the names you have circled are different?
First place is Jospatnp
Second place is Josasanp

Coincidence perhaps the names are similar? For all you know it could be 2 friends competing against eachother, maybe 2 brothers, who knows!

Other than that, it may just be as Simmo pointed out that a multiple alias has slipped through the net for now.

Mike

Simply put: criminals are stupid

Jospatnp
Josasanp

Changing a few letter in one's name is not enough for intelligent players to realize what is going on.

Try opening any poker site on the IPN network (Paradise, InterPoker, etc.) and check out the nightly freeroll tournament.

You will find that at least 20% of the field are cheaters.
Some of them with as many as eight accounts.

Yet, two years after bringing this to the attention of IPN security, they have done NOTHING about it.

One of the reasons that this particular network is simply untrustworthy.

Now it seems that MG casinos are falling prey to the same scam artists unless, as newguy68 eluded to, the scammers are working for the casino themselves, but I doubt it.

I almost guarantee that this jack&%$ is one of the players you will find at the IPN sites playing multiple accounts too. He already has multiple computers with multiple IP addresses set up already so why not try and cheat every site he can?

Woot!!:eek::eek:
He comes in first AND second place in the Tombraider tourney, and now also first/second in the Avalon tourney?
Smells fishy. Or, smells like an entire fishmarket.:mad:

The fact that he has multiple aliases can be explained, but how the hell does he manage to WIN with all of them?!:confused:

Cant wait to hear what Nedplay has to say about this.

The jack&%$ has amassed 162.50 in ill gotten gains in the last two days alone, so he's rebuying his way to the top of the field.

...and Nedplay is STILL nowhere to be seen.

Considering all the threads complaining about Nedplay:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/nedplay-payment-issues.33929/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/vladik7-vs-nedplay.34371/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/email-from-nedplay-casino-unreal.33697/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/nedplay-casino-support-awol.33506/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/nedplay-locked-my-account.33287/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...t-give-nd-nonus-to-players-from-norway.32989/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/several-unknown-accounts-on-my-machine.32857/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/nedplay-withdraw-process.30990/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/nedplay-casino-first-deposit-bonus.32507/

is there any wonder why CM made this decision:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/nedplay-removed-from-baptism-by-fire.34873/

Although they haven't made it all the way to the 'rogue pit' yet, they're surely on their way.
 
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If he's a real player he's unlikely to see his money soon, if ever, given Nedplay's reluctance to play in a timely manner. What is more likely is the player is a house bot. It is very difficilt for a geniune player to have such a high win rate in mg slots tournies. Nedplay have all the hallmarks of a seriously rogue casino.
 
Well....now it's day three of this current 'cheating scandal' and another 50 put in the pocket of a cheater.


I FINALLY recieved a response from Nedplay, but it was a pathetic one as usual:

Perla, Dec 12 15:10 (CET):

Dear Roanan,

This case is being investigated by the control department. We will solve this problem. Thank you for the advice.

Regards,

Perla.


Being investigated? Yeah...sure....then why is this a$%hole still winning tournaments and defrauding the legitimate player?
 
...and now Nedplay has decided to make things worse by taking their support page COMPLETELY OFFLINE:

The webpage "support.nedplay.com" cannot be found
DNS error occurred. Server cannot be found. The link may be broken.


So DutchRobin is MIA and Nedplay support no longer exists.

DEFINITELY DESERVING OF ROGUE STATUS.
 
Well....now it's day three of this current 'cheating scandal' and another 50 put in the pocket of a cheater.


I FINALLY recieved a response from Nedplay, but it was a pathetic one as usual:

Perla, Dec 12 15:10 (CET):

Dear Roanan,

This case is being investigated by the control department. We will solve this problem. Thank you for the advice.

Regards,

Perla.


Being investigated? Yeah...sure....then why is this a$%hole still winning tournaments and defrauding the legitimate player?

Check the entire list of players from the last tourney, I've picked these names only from the first 100

samsulnp
secbajnp
adykarnp
mijbarnp
alibosnp
edijamnp
fikdabnp
jojkornp
josasanp
gorhulnp
harkurnp
anabilnp
dusprinp
edikojnp
jansarnp
amisuknp
afaolonp
enebajnp
jospatnp

All 8 digits, all np as the last 2.
But ofcourse this all just a coincidence, nothing fishy...just a group of 'friends'
Yeah right...:rolleyes:
 
Check the entire list of players from the last tourney, I've picked these names only from the first 100

samsulnp
secbajnp
adykarnp
mijbarnp
alibosnp
edijamnp
fikdabnp
jojkornp
josasanp
gorhulnp
harkurnp
anabilnp
dusprinp
edikojnp
jansarnp
amisuknp
afaolonp
enebajnp
jospatnp

All 8 digits, all np as the last 2.
But ofcourse this all just a coincidence, nothing fishy...just a group of 'friends'
Yeah right...:rolleyes:

Now I have seen all these names, then I quite agree with you, something defintely fishy going on here. The very fact that all these names end in NP is no coincidence. Unless the system randomly picks a name for guest players who don't assign themselves an ID.

Surely if the casino was cheating then why make it so blatantly obvious? These names are defintely randomly generated by a computer, for what reason I am sure we will eventually find out.

Mikenp
 
Seeing how Nedplay's only response to me has been of the bland, generic variety, I decided to reply to them and blatantly accuse them of cheating.

MAYBE we'll get a satisfactory response, but I doubt it.

Cheaters always lie, even after they get caught.
 
NOW I'M SERIOUSLY FU$%&#G PISSED! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Most of us are aware that Hitman is one of the slowest games MG have to offer.

In the tournaments you start with 18000 coins and have 5:00 minutes to play them.

Using ALL of your coins is very difficult to do.


Keeping that in mind, and what has been posted in this thread previously I would like you to take a look at the following set of screenshots from today's tournament:
 
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You have now found evidence that these different tournament players are linked. Now, not only are names similar, ending in the "np" which initially aroused your suspicions, but they ALL manage to use all their coins up. This points to them being at the very least a group of friends who "know their onions", colluding together to beat the tournaments. The evidence also points to faster than average gameplay, which would take a fast PC, perhaps the SAME fast PC;), for all of them. They may also have found a cheat. I recall mention of errors in these tournaments very occasionally resetting a player's time to the full amount, but letting them continue from where they left off. If these (this?) player has found a way to trigger this "bug" reliably, then they could guarantee being able to use their coins simply by using this time reset.
I have never seen it myself, but it has been the constant problems with these tournaments booting players off the system in mid game that lead to these VERY odd "bugs" revealing themselves. Once you have seen it, and understood it's advantages, you might wonder if it could be triggered deliberately, perhaps by closing the casino during tournament play in a certain manner (not a normal exit, but a "crash" exit).

I HAVE noticed that the clock sometimes "counts funny", where it will count down two seconds TOO QUICKLY during play, and then revert to normal speed. These are "stolen" fractions of seconds, that can add up over the length of a tournament, but would signify that there HAS to be a vulnerability somewhere, and it could be an advantage to get it to err in the opposite direction, to reset to the full starting time, stop counting, or count down too slowly.
One suggestion has been that the LOCAL PC clock runs the countdown during play, occasionally getting corrective instruction from the server. If you can convince the client application that the clock has not yet reached zero, can you still play more coins, even though the server has counted the full length of playing time.
 
I tend to agree with VWM.You've definately stumbled on something here Roanan, although its' not clear if it's player fraud or something more sinister. I suspect player fraud myself, but without better communicaton from Nedplay it's hard to say.

I think it's worth PABing this if you haven't already so Bryan or Max can take a look. They may get further with Nedplay. but the longer this goes on the more players are being cheated of their tournament entry/re-buy money.

Nice sleuthing by the way :thumbsup:
 
...and not one of those names listed even vaguely resemble a real name, more like a code. (perhaps the code for each of the bots the casino is using?)

Seeing how Nedplay's only response to me has been of the bland, generic variety, I decided to reply to them and blatantly accuse them of cheating.

MAYBE we'll get a satisfactory response, but I doubt it.

Cheaters always lie, even after they get caught.

I do wish to retract my statements made in this thread implying that Nedplay themselves are responsible for this. I am quite sure they are not behind this, although it is possible that an employee may be.

Regardless there is definitely something wrong here and I am pleased that something is now being done.
 
I tend to agree with VWM.You've definately stumbled on something here Roanan, although its' not clear if it's player fraud or something more sinister. I suspect player fraud myself, but without better communicaton from Nedplay it's hard to say.

I think it's worth PABing this if you haven't already so Bryan or Max can take a look. They may get further with Nedplay. but the longer this goes on the more players are being cheated of their tournament entry/re-buy money.

Nice sleuthing by the way :thumbsup:

What is not clear is whether these are "Nedplay exclusive" tournaments, or "network" tournaments. The Grand Slam saw MGS give up on the idea of one alias per person over the network, to make it one per person per CASINO, in line with the policy of allowing "rebuys" up to "infinity" in some events. This may well have been pressure from operators, wanting those of us who had been offered multiple seats to play in THEIR casino, instead of, or as well, as our preferred venue. This alias splitting allowed players to have as many aliases as they had accounts, and the fall out is that there are players with many aliases across the network, and quite legitimately. It becomes player fraud if these are Nedplay only tournaments, where the ONLY way for a single player to have more than one alias, is to have more than one Nedplay account, which is against the terms.

Something else has also emerged from this, where unlike unlimited rebuys, players who use multiple aliases can win several prizes in one tournament, such as first & second as illustrated, where with unlimited rebuys, only the highest score counts, and one prize only is awarded.

IF these are linked players, or the same player, this has to be +EV for them to "cheat" in this way, even where they have to buy in or pay for continues, since there are few truly "free" tournaments on the network.


A further thought, since the names end "np", perhaps meaning "Nedplay", this player (or group) need a way to track their aliases, so maybe whilst "xxxxxnp" is playing at Nedplay, they may well be doing this elsewhere, such as Royal Vegas, using aliases of the form "xxxxxrv" for example.
 
In the tournaments you start with 18000 coins and have 5:00 minutes to play them.

Holy sh$& I made an error.

It's 18,000 coins that you start with, not 12,000 like I had posted.

60 spins in 5:00 minutes?!?!?!?!

That's damn near impossible.

I could only dream of affording to buy a system capable of playing fast enough to achieve this.

I can barely use up my coins playing Avalon or Loaded and that's only 50 spins, and those games play much faster.
 
They are Nedplay exclusive. Only 221 players.

How many of these 221 players are merely this "cheat" with multiple/colluding aliases.

By having a fast PC, and consistently using his coins, he has made a MISTAKE. Whilst the similarity in alias name choices might be explained by coincidence, having this paired with an equal ability to use all the coins shows that in all probability this is a group of "connected players" (or a multiple account single player) who is creaming off much of the prize money. These are small prizes, but regular, and if the process is +EV, this could be a pretty good "earner", except for the rest of the field, who are fighting a battle skewed against them, and their SINGLE aliases, and mostly slow PCs.

Given this is Hitman, and not Loaded, a fast PC alone may NOT be the answer, as I can use all my coins on the Loaded Weekender, but have NOT had such success with the slow games of Hitman and Thunderstruck.

It's possible they have found a way to bypass the cheat MGS THEMSELVES introduced a couple of years ago, which was to significantly SLOW the games from their potential top playing speed on very fast and highly tuned PCs, with this, they WOULD be able to consistently use their coins on Hitman.

The cheat MGS put in is a limiter, a bit like the speed limiter on big lorries, that no matter how powerful the engine, the truck will not exceed 60Mph (or similar).
The MGS "limiter" is set for 3 seconds per spin max speed, no matter how fast the client PC and internet connection.

How do I know?

EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE:D

100% hard proof, trials from before, and after, on Tombraider - the abrupt change being VERY obvious, and ocurring during an "update" of monthly new games, and resulting in the almost total breakdown of the entire MGS tournament system that weekend, for which they apologised, but NEVER revealed what they had been up to.

With this in mind, let's take a look at this:-

Holy sh$& I made an error.

It's 18,000 coins that you start with, not 12,000 like I had posted.

60 spins in 5:00 minutes?!?!?!?!

That's damn near impossible.


This indicates 5 seconds per spin. This is entirely POSSIBLE, but requires some doing, and this does NOT include getting those 18 free spins, or that bonus feature, either of which will make it far harder to use all the coins.

Just ONE free spin round brings it down to 1 spin every 3.8 seconds, which borders on the impossible, even for a fast PC. 2 bonus rounds, and you should have coins left.

These players may be able to use all their coins SOME of the time, but certainly not EVERY SINGLE time, as they MUST have sessions with plenty of bonus rounds, as well as those with none, or just one.
 
Holy sh$& I made an error.

It's 18,000 coins that you start with, not 12,000 like I had posted.

60 spins in 5:00 minutes?!?!?!?!

That's damn near impossible.

I could only dream of affording to buy a system capable of playing fast enough to achieve this.

I can barely use up my coins playing Avalon or Loaded and that's only 50 spins, and those games play much faster.

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On all the similar player names, they wouldnt all be members of a gambling forum would they,
only on some poker forums you get people signing up to a certain poker site with very similar names so when they run there own tourneys they can keep a track of who is playing, and it tells the players who is a member of the forum etc,

it happens quite a bit on the boss poker software, i noticed alot of very similar names and thinking it was the same player i reported it, when they investigated i was told they were all different members of the same poker forum :confused:
 
On all the similar player names, they wouldnt all be members of a gambling forum would they,
only on some poker forums you get people signing up to a certain poker site with very similar names so when they run there own tourneys they can keep a track of who is playing, and it tells the players who is a member of the forum etc,

it happens quite a bit on the boss poker software, i noticed alot of very similar names and thinking it was the same player i reported it, when they investigated i was told they were all different members of the same poker forum :confused:

If you look closely at the names, other than the 'np' at the end, they're gibberish. Nothing vaguely resembles a real word or name:

Check the entire list of players from the last tourney, I've picked these names only from the first 100

samsulnp
secbajnp
adykarnp
mijbarnp
alibosnp
edijamnp
fikdabnp
jojkornp
josasanp
gorhulnp
harkurnp
anabilnp
dusprinp
edikojnp
jansarnp
amisuknp
afaolonp
enebajnp
jospatnp

All 8 digits, all np as the last 2.
But ofcourse this all just a coincidence, nothing fishy...just a group of 'friends'
Yeah right...:rolleyes:
 
If you look closely at the names, other than the 'np' at the end, they're gibberish. Nothing vaguely resembles a real word or name:

They dont have to make sense,
i just looked quickly on one of the boss poker sites at one of the finnished tourneys and there were about alot players with the name,
jtx675
jtx834
jtx964-etc

they also seems jibberish,
im not saying something isnt wrong just trying to put an explanation out there as to why so many names are similar,
i hope a rep does come here to explain things, it will be interesting to hear the answer,
 
Hi Ronan

The best advice at the moment for you, would be to suspend all activities with this operation until a satisfactory explanation can be given.

Whether it is mass collusion or something more sinister going on, it is clearly not in the interest of fair gaming (something casinos talk about a lot).

If Bryan is going to look into this for you, then see what he can glean from Nedplay, do they have a rep here and if so I am surprised they haven't noticed this thread by now, as it has now been hanging around the top of this forum for a while.

Mike
 
A further thought, since the names end "np", perhaps meaning "Nedplay", this player (or group) need a way to track their aliases, so maybe whilst "xxxxxnp" is playing at Nedplay, they may well be doing this elsewhere, such as Royal Vegas, using aliases of the form "xxxxxrv" for example.

Hey....look who I found on yesterday's 32Red Avalon Freeroll:
 
Hey....look who I found on yesterday's 32Red Avalon Freeroll:


Well:D

A further thought, since the names end "np", perhaps meaning "Nedplay", this player (or group) need a way to track their aliases, so maybe whilst "xxxxxnp" is playing at Nedplay, they may well be doing this elsewhere, such as Royal Vegas, using aliases of the form "xxxxxrv" for example.

OK, maybe NOT Royal Vegas "for example", but 32Red:D
 
If Bryan is going to look into this for you, then see what he can glean from Nedplay, do they have a rep here and if so I am surprised they haven't noticed this thread by now, as it has now been hanging around the top of this forum for a while.

According to MaxD's post in another thread, there are some medical issues involved, so response from DutchRobin might take a few days, but I'm sure when he does, he'll have some more information for us from the back end.
 
I only have Nedplay and 32Red on my computer.

Would everyone watching this thread please immediately open any other MG casino you have that has exclusive tournaments and take a look?

Which MGs have exclusive tourneys? I had to format my computer and lost all casinos. So far I've re-installed 32red, All Jackpots, GoWild and Royal Joker.

I'm checking All Jackpots now, will update if any of my MGs have esclusive tourneys.

EDIT: Seems none of my MGs have exclusive tourneys. Couldn't check Royal Joker as I need my account number and live chat has been offline for a day now.

EDIT2: I also The Gaming Club, they have an exclusive DVd player tourney. Nothing fishy in the player list yet but it doesn't start for 1 day and 10 hours.
 
Which MGs have exclusive tourneys? I had to format my computer and lost all casinos. So far I've re-installed 32red, All Jackpots, GoWild and Royal Joker.

I'm checking All Jackpots now, will update if any of my MGs have esclusive tourneys.

EDIT: Seems none of my MGs have exclusive tourneys. Couldn't check Royal Joker as I need my account number and live chat has been offline for a day now.

EDIT2: I also The Gaming Club, they have an exclusive DVd player tourney. Nothing fishy in the player list yet but it doesn't start for 1 day and 10 hours.

Looking at the link Simmo! provided:

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this would be a good start:

All Jackpots Casino
Ladbrokes Casino
Lucky Nugget Casino
River Belle Casino
Royal Vegas Casino
Spin Palace Casino
Crazy Vegas Casino

I get emails regarding ones on Go Wild as well, but I deleted them a while ago.
 
They dont have to make sense,
i just looked quickly on one of the boss poker sites at one of the finnished tourneys and there were about alot players with the name,
jtx675
jtx834
jtx964-etc

they also seems jibberish,
im not saying something isnt wrong just trying to put an explanation out there as to why so many names are similar,
i hope a rep does come here to explain things, it will be interesting to hear the answer,

It's a shame that multi-accounting is so problematic, especially on some of the poker networks.

This is a Boss/IPN Network-wide tournament and below is a small sample of the multiple accounts I can find.

The most shameful thing about this particular network is that they have been aware of this issue for more than TWO YEARS, yet have chosen to do NOTHING.

Sites on this network include: InterPoker (Intercasino), BetClick, Virgin, Paradise (SportingBet), and PokerHeaven.

According to the list here, Virgin and InterCasino/InterPoker are ACCREDITED CASINOS.
 
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I've been checking the Jackpot Factory tourney Grand Treasure Quest, and found the following names so far (2400 people joined until now, browsing all the names may take a while)

Samsulaj (Samsulnp) aj = All Jackpots I suppose
Alibos (Alibosnp)
Gorhulj (Gorhuljnp)
enebaj (enebajnp)

To be honest, I don't know what to think anymore.:confused:
Treasure Quest tourney has just started, and I've only searched the first 1000 names so far.
I'm sure I'll find some more familiar names.
 
I've been checking the Jackpot Factory tourney Grand Treasure Quest, and found the following names so far (2400 people joined until now, browsing all the names may take a while)

Samsulaj (Samsulnp) aj = All Jackpots I suppose
Alibos (Alibosnp)
Gorhulj (Gorhuljnp)
enebaj (enebajnp)

To be honest, I don't know what to think anymore.:confused:
Treasure Quest tourney has just started, and I've only searched the first 1000 names so far.
I'm sure I'll find some more familiar names.

Thank you Anton for assisting me with this research. I have forwarded this revelation to Jackpot Factory support, as well as their casino rep.

As this is unfolding into a major conspiracy, we need all the help we can get in resolving this.
 
I am pleased to announce that 32Red is on board fully in this investigation:

Hi Roanan,



Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention and we will investigate the activity of these individuals at 32Red and we have also asked our software providers to do the same across the Multi Player network.



Ill keep you posted on developments and well done on the great piece of super sleuthing!



Kind regards



Pat Harrison

Operations Director



32Red

6 times winner of

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