Bonus Abuser Blacklist (Microgaming)

[RobWin]

I haven't given them a heads up on it...yet.

Here is the link to the actual page. I've never seen this before in an MGS powered casino. I'm a little surprised:
#18 http://goldenlounge.com/terms.asp
We contribute to and make use of a shared industry database of promotion abusers and fraudsters. Individuals known from this database will not be eligible for any promotional offers and the casino reserves the right to lock their account and refuse access to the casino.

No need to give them a heads up on this since they all have been using this for many many moons !! Don't know why you are surprised by it though, it has been mentioned several times over the past 10 years as other players had found out about it when it was already too late and the MG casino in question simply held their deposit and confiscated their winnings...

At least now for the first time we have a Microgaming Casino "Golden Lounge" here that has actually admitted to using this "shared industry database" and have even actually admitted it in black & white where as long as I can remember no other MG Casino has ever come out and outright admitted to this...

Do any of you guys remember the MG casino called "Crazy Horse" that was a MG powered casino about 10 years ago...they later switched over to RTG or Playtech software one, can't remember exactly...well this was one of the first MG casinos that I played at a lot for quite a while and one day decided to make a cashout for around $200 IIRC after I had probably made 20 or so deposits totaling approx. $2K...

They hem hawed around with my withdrawal for about two or three weeks, never paying it and finally sent me an email back saying that I had came up on their central database of fraudulent players and bonus abusers list and my account had been flagged...and back then I had maybe only played at two or three MG casinos since they were still relatively new.
Well, I finally got in touch with Proc-Cyber and got the mess straightened out, it was someone else with the exact same name as me (what's the odds of that) and living in the same metropolitan area...remember there were not that many ISP's back 10 years ago, but during this fiasco Proc-Cyber had also said that themselves and the casinos all shared a database list of players that also included the players deposit/withdrawal listings and play styles and habits, meaning what types of games were normally played and how they were played....etc., etc.

So yes, this un-announced and cloaked database list has been around for quite some time now !!

[Shocked]

The description of "Risk Sentinel" I found showed it to be a product that went well beyond fraud detection, it was indeed able to track playing habits through patterns of deposits and withdrawals, and put together a web of associated assumptions based on these transactions. It could identify players who made only a single deposit at many new casinos, with little sign of repeat play. This could certainly be a flag for "potential bonus abuse", and could lead to a casino voiding winnings from a player's first deposit based on the past history of him hardly ever returning to play again at the same casino.

Incidentally, you can log on to Proccyber yourself and gather your OWN transaction history, and get a taste of the data they have available.

Wonderful, so there's the possibility that I could be stuck on a blacklist because..oh I don't know...perhaps I'm funny about putting money back into Go Wild with all the recent faff, despite the fact that I play at 2 other MGs most days?!?

[Rusty]

Yet another "conspiracy theory" that turns out to be fact?

I think things are beginning to unravel.

[aka23]

Here is the link to the actual page. I've never seen this before in an MGS powered casino. I'm a little surprised:

#18 http://goldenlounge.com/terms.asp
We contribute to and make use of a shared industry database of promotion abusers and fraudsters. Individuals known from this database will not be eligible for any promotional offers and the casino reserves the right to lock their account and refuse access to the casino.

They appear in some of the T&Cs for both the Casino Rewards and the Vegas Partner groups. This isn't a new change. The 2006 T&C for Casino Classic is quoted in the thread at http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...o-classic.html and shows the term. However, this is the first I've heard about enforcing the term in the way Max described, which is concerning.

[Alexishot69]

Yet another "conspiracy theory" that turns out to be fact?

I think things are beginning to unravel.

i think your right this indeed could be the tip of the iceberg and wouldnt be in the least bit surprised if we hear more horrors in time about not only mgs but other software providers ..

[GGW Laurie]

i think your right this indeed could be the tip of the iceberg and wouldnt be in the least bit surprised if we hear more horrors in time about not only mgs but other software providers ..

i so agree with that , i do believe this is going to become one more of the many major issues going on with mgs and before all is said and done it will somehow affect other software providers and in turn will affect all u.s online players, which so far has been the case for many.......................laurie

[chuchu59]

Yet another "conspiracy theory" that turns out to be fact?

I think things are beginning to unravel.

I am thinking just the opposite. This is actually fact that is branded as being a 'conspiracy theory' by the casinos and some naysayers.

[funky_seagull]

several accredited casinos on casinomeister refer to this central database in their terms and conditions:

XXXXXX audits cash-ins to determine if winnings are a result of promotion abuse. It is possible for promotion abuse to occur even though wagering is compliant with the standard terms and conditions and bonus system rules. If promotion abuse is identified, then XXXXX reserves the right at management’s discretion to take the following action(s) against the abusive player:
A) may be banned from receiving or redeeming further promotions
B) may be banned from play in the casino
B) may have account terminated with immediate effect
C) Player information forwarded to a central database resulting in players being barred from receiving bonuses at any other casinos.
D) Cash-ins may be denied, reversed and/or considered void. In such cases, only original purchase amount may be allowed for withdrawal.
Please contact us should you require additional information about this condition.

[maxd]

I remember a couple of incidents where fraudsters had been cleared by the casino for payouts, but got nailed by the cash processors ....

That may well be the case here too. GLC did say that they were good with the withdrawal request and that it was the report from their "risk services supplier" which was "alarming" and triggered the withdrawal denial.

Max seems to have based the warning on a specific case ... the casino admitted it directly to Max it seems.

Yes, that's pretty much it, though they didn't "admit it" so much as offered it up outright as justification for denying the player's winnings.

several accredited casinos on casinomeister refer to this central database in their terms and conditions:....

It would be good to know whom you are quoting here. What casinos did you find are using these terms?
(I know I could hunt around to find it myself but ... there are other PABs to worry about and there's only so much time in a day.)

[spearmaster]

Given that MG casinos have been caught RED HANDED by Max DELIBERATELY misusing this service to "pad the bottom line", rather than for refusing promotions in the first place - this must put MG well into the inshore waters of Rogue Island.

This makes it VERY LIKELY that the PLAYTECH variant does indeed exist, and that PLaytech (the company) has been LYING about it being a myth for the past couple of years.

Sorry, but again you have made a generalization without any basis in fact.

While I appreciate your participation and your eagerness to be of assistance, I do find these unwarranted accusations very disturbing.

Hence, please be advised that any future accusations, implications, or insinuations of this sort will no longer be tolerated - will be deleted - and may result in a vacation.

Thanks for your attention.