Rome Casino - Analysis

[vinylweatherman]

VWM - I can tell your not an affiliate.
The low life spamming affiliates are in great demand by many different casinos, especially by some of the bigger names (that no longer take Americans).

The low life scumbag casino affiliate that gets "caught" spamming by most online casinos does not get a punitive "talking too", they get a bonus and more work offered and in most cases a higher percentage of the profits... If you get "caught" it just means your SPAM is getting the attention and eyeballs it (and your customers - the online casinos) are seeking...

In other words, instead of being afraid of have their affiliate spam discovered and complained about, most in the 'know' spamming affiliates want someone to make a post complaining about their spam... Some even do the public posting and complaining themselves...

Oh dear!

Things are even worse than I thought. Formerly, it was only the dodgy or downright rogue casinos that condoned spam, if it is now even reputable brands that condone spam then the chances of "self regulation" being a solution (the current situation) is nearly zero. I see all these "zero tolerance on spam" clauses in affiliate agreements, but it does seem they are there not for the affiliate, but for the benefit of complainants, so that they can be fobbed off.

Given that some casinos spam loads, and others pretty much none at all (32Red for example), then the excuse "beyond our control" is simply used to fob off complainants.

CM has taken a stand against casino spam, and encourages complaint, not just meek acceptance and diversion to the junk folder.
Many casinos simply cannot grasp the effect spam has on EXISTING business - it causes spam filters to start blocking their legitimate mailers to their existing players, who in turn think the casino is ignoring them as loyal players, while offering lavish bonuses for new players.

If affiliate managers are condoning spam, while pubically pretending to be against it with "zero tolerance" rules, then it is a complete waste of time simply reporting spam to the various affiliate managers and casinos. This certainly seems to be the case, as despite all the promises of action, the spam load from many casinos' affiliates just keeps on coming, and in many cases increasing.

[farookh]

There really is no excuse for not being able to opt out of bonuses. Why should I be forced to wager 24x just to cashout from a deposit? It seems really strange that you can't add a list like Playtech Casinos had/have where when you deposit, bonuses are automatically disabled. It seems like a trap to me.

[lots0]

...then the chances of "self regulation" being a solution (the current situation) is nearly zero.

That would be my opinion as well.

I see all these "zero tolerance on spam" clauses in affiliate agreements, but it does seem they are there not for the affiliate, but for the benefit of complainants, so that they can be fobbed off.

BINGO!

Given that some casinos spam loads, and others pretty much none at all (32Red for example), then the excuse "beyond our control" is simply used to fob off complainants.

Double Cross BINGO!

Many casinos simply cannot grasp the effect spam has on EXISTING business...

I think your wrong there... They understand what they are doing is hurting others... They just don't give a Fuc.

If affiliate managers are condoning spam, while pubically pretending to be against it with "zero tolerance" rules, then it is a complete waste of time simply reporting spam to the various affiliate managers and casinos.

While this is true of the online casinos that secretly condone SPAM, there are other casinos (like the one you mentioned) that do not secretly condone spam or hire scumbag affiliates to spam in secret for them.
So reporting to those good online casinos will (in most cases) stop the spam from that particular casinos scumbag affiliate.

[casinome]

anyone been paid by these guys or their affiliates lately?

[casinome]

this family of casinos seems to be a HUGE joke to me.. they are affiliated with Winward are DO NOT pay out.. I've been waiting for 5-6 weeks. EVERY excuse in the book. what a joke.

[winbig]

There really is no excuse for not being able to opt out of bonuses. Why should I be forced to wager 24x just to cashout from a deposit? It seems really strange that you can't add a list like Playtech Casinos had/have where when you deposit, bonuses are automatically disabled. It seems like a trap to me.

IIRC, this was one of the many reasons that winward was rogued. Anyone else remember their 30x rollover on deposits, even if you never claimed a bonus there in your life?

[RobWin]

IIRC, this was one of the many reasons that winward was rogued. Anyone else remember their 30x rollover on deposits, even if you never claimed a bonus there in your life?

Yea, I do especially since you and me were two of the main one's that were questioning this BS rule or requirement...here it all is...

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...r-warning.html

[vinylweatherman]

That would be my opinion as well.

BINGO!

Double Cross BINGO!



I think your wrong there... They understand what they are doing is hurting others... They just don't give a Fuc.


While this is true of the online casinos that secretly condone SPAM, there are other casinos (like the one you mentioned) that do not secretly condone spam or hire scumbag affiliates to spam in secret for them.
So reporting to those good online casinos will (in most cases) stop the spam from that particular casinos scumbag affiliate.

Well, surely it is themselves that suffers the most damage, as it is their casino that is being spammed, with their domains and trademarks being fed into spam filters. This is probably what is behind the widescale use of fake casino names and landing pages in most of the spam. If the spam results in filters learning to block them, it does not make them also block the legitimate casino domains. Only the few players who respond to the spam will find out the true name of the casino behind it, here at least, following spam is just a way to identify the culprit affiliate scheme, and publish a complaint including the true name of the casino.

Where spam damages others, then scumbag casinos really do not care, but those others are indignant when they are wrongly accused of spamming because the scumbag affiliates for a competitor have used a fake name and landing page that is close to the actual name of another casino. A few of these indignant casinos themselves need to get their own houses in order, as I have certainly noticed an increase in the amount of spam promoting reputable, and indeed CM accredited, casinos. Complaints seem to be a waste of time, the punishment for affiliates caught is simply not enough, even assuming there IS a punishment, and not a reward for getting the casino noticed.

[casinome]

so has anyone been paid from one of these casinos lately... rome, money casino, thebes etc..? seems to me that they're taking people's money and running with it, or delaying it to the point that is absolutely ridiculous..

has anyone had these issues??

[AussieDave]

When Thebes opened it's doors it offered a $55 (I believe) no deposit offer.

Not exactly true. From what I've read $15 was credited with the remaining promised in early Jan 2009. Which to date has never arrived.

Over and above this, more serious issues remain. People not being paid, a pay winnings only on Monday and a 80x Bonus rule. IMO it makes the VCG look like boy scouts.

They haven't heeded players input and concerns much less taken on board constructive criticism which would ultimately benefit their casino venues. Instead they continue to run the gauntlet.

No point having a rep on a board if all your going to be given is lip service.

As I've always said, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it probably is a duck. In the online casino world (for me anyway) that spells rogue.

If these online casinos were genuinely concerned about all these issues raised, they'd have rectified them by now!

In cases like this action speaks louder than words. IMHO it's time they were introduced to the rogue pit - that sure has a way of influencing people to re-evaluate their current operational status quo.

Cheers
T