Rome Casino - Analysis

[Rhyzz]

You say stealing, I say learning....I give you examples:

bet365:
Only one real account and promotion per player, household, address, e-mail address, credit card number, bank account, and environments where computers are shared (university, fraternity, school, public library, workplace, etc). Multiple account applications will result in any opening bonuses and winnings being withdrawn from supplementary accounts.

Betfred:
All bonuses are available only once per person, family, household address, e-mail address, credit card number, and environments where computers are shared (university, society, school, public library, workplace, etc.).

Centrebet:
All promotions are available only once per person, family, household address, e-mail address and credit card number or any other deposit method used.

Remarkably similar don't you think, considering the order in which the terms are listed...

These companies copy each other to save time and to keep things watertight. If one site adds a new term, another will experiment to see if it's worth adding it to their own bonus. They learn from each others mistakes and exploits, if they didn't then they would be losing $millions each year to cheaters and scammers.

[lots0]

So Rhyzz you are arguing that copyright laws in every single civilized country in the world should be ignored so new online Casinos don't have to hire their own people to write their T and C's?

Your argument is foolish and supports criminal activity on the Net.

Stealing is stealing...

And any casino that has the mind set that it is OK to steal (even if it is just some copyrighted material), is a Casino EVERYONE should stay away from!

Not to mention that if an online casino is not able or willing to pay professionals to write their own Terms and Conditions, just how professional and competent is the Casino?

Stealing copyrighted material is a crime, everywhere in the world, even Israel.

BTW - your examples of bet365, BetFred and centerbet are not very good examples. All of those companies hired their own professionals to write their own T and C's. Neither Bet365, BetFred or Centerbet stole any copyrighted material from anyone at all.

[Rhyzz]

Originally Posted by lots0

BTW - your examples of bet365, BetFred and centerbet are not very good examples. All of those companies hired their own professionals to write their own T and C's. Neither Bet365, BetFred or Centerbet stole any copyrighted material from anyone at all.

I'm very sure that they did, but do you really think they didn't look at the industry and what other companies are putting in place before writing their own?

[Casinomeister]

Let's not make assumptions here. Many people in the industry share copyrighted material with explicit or even implied permission - myself included. I've given webmasters free reign to use my privacy policies etc., they can copy these to their hearts content. Just so they ask ahead of time, that's all I care about.

The same goes for operators and site developers. If you were an operator or developer that has worked on several different casino platforms, it wouldn't be out of the norm to see similar terms and conditions used since these guys are writing and rewriting the same stuff. And if Joe asked his buddy Fred if he could use the same ad copy, why should we care?

Just as long as they abide by them (the terms and conditions), that's the important thing.

[SierraDawn]

Originally Posted by Rhyzz

Well, after a very lengthy read of this post, I think Rome are getting quite a lot of heat for no reason here...

They're a new operation, they're making the effort to discuss their business with keen gamers and as far as their T&C's are concerned, they're just covering their backs. People have to realise that ther isn't a single operator in the world that doesn't enforce a withdrawal limit, although setting this against a progressive jackpot win is a little harsh as the money should be 'in the bank' for them, and ready to be paid.

If they have indeed lifted T&C's from other sites then they're no different from anywhere else. I see copied T&C's on loads of the smaller operators, it's simply because the bigger firms have more experienced and better educated staff who know how to write legal T&C's...what is the problem?

Just because a Casino copies another one, it doesn't make them bad or 'dodgy' - they're simply learning the industry from the big boys.

I think alot of the questions and points made are valid, such as details on Top-Game...(where are they??) but they're put forward with so much hostility, it's crazy, at least give them a chance.

I also agree to this

[lots0]

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Let's not make assumptions here. Many people in the industry share copyrighted material with explicit or even implied permission - myself included. I've given webmasters free reign to use my privacy policies etc., they can copy these to their hearts content. Just so they ask ahead of time, that's all I care about.

The same goes for operators and site developers. If you were an operator or developer that has worked on several different casino platforms, it wouldn't be out of the norm to see similar terms and conditions used since these guys are writing and rewriting the same stuff. And if Joe asked his buddy Fred if he could use the same ad copy, why should we care?

Just as long as they abide by them (the terms and conditions), that's the important thing.

I do agree that keeping the terms and conditions is very important.
However, if all they did was copy them from another website... do they really even know what they mean or intend to follow them? I know that copyright theft makes me question any Casinos integrity.

Also, 'similar' is not the same as 'copied', the T and C's that Rome was using were obviously copied.

I kinda doubt any casino is going to 'give' away it's copyrighted material.
If Rome Casino did not steal copyrighted material, if they did in fact receive permission to use copyrighted materials... A simple denial and a statement that 'so and so' casino( I believe it is 888.com in this case) did give permission to use their property would shut me up...

I guess it's just all the rotten casinos I've seen lately that is giving me a case of ultra skepticism... Almost every rip-off clip joint casino I've seen lately has had copied (stolen) terms and conditions from other casinos... So yes a casino is 'Shady', 'doddy' or whatever else you want to call them if they stole something from another website....

As a website owner who has had copyrighted material stolen more times than I can count by low life scum, I can tell you copyright theft is in fact theft in every sense of the word.

And for my money... a thief, is a thief, is a thief.
If a thief will steal a gumdrop they will steal a dime and if they steal a dime they will steal a dollar and if they will steal a dollar they will steal a thousand dollars etc.

[Rusty]

What ever happened to the planned software update in September and new games?
The slots
SUCK

[winbig]

If you REALLY want to get technical, quite a bit of their T&C page is the exact same as (at least) 6 other places.

Total Matched Phrases / Total Submitted (Google)15% (15/102) (Yahoo)16% (16/102)

www.reddragoncasino.cn/terms_conditions.html
www.casinosmeraldo.com/terms_conditions.html
www.ocncasino.com/terms_conditions.html
www.romecasino.com/terms-conditions.php

Isn't http://www.articlechecker.com great?

[RomeCasino]

Hi Rusty,

Thanks for your input on our slots. Had you logged in recently, you'd have seen that there was a major update including free spins and bonus rounds for several of our video slots. However, should you still not find them to your liking, there are hundreds of other Casinos that would be more than happy to take your business. I apologize that our games were not up to your discerning standards.

Kind Regards,

Patricia.

Originally Posted by Rusty

What ever happened to the planned software update in September and new games?
The slots
SUCK

[Nifty29]

Patricia,

Well, even though Rusty may have conveyed his opinion a little more eloquently, he does have a valid point. In the same way, you could also have been less condescending and just accepted the feedback without suggesting he play elsewhere. No, he didnt log in (it seems) and see the changes, but if I were in your shoes I would have been here posting about them the minute they occurred - I didnt like the slots at all originally, but might have tried them again if I had known about the changes. You cant expect players to keep logging in each day to see what's different, because they just wont.

In addition, I should think that all customers, present or potential, would be considered discerning - and your statement implies that anyone with discerning standards wouldnt play at Rome Casino .

If I were Rusty, I might be feeling a little patronized right about now.

Originally Posted by RomeCasino

Hi Rusty,

Thanks for your input on our slots. Had you logged in recently, you'd have seen that there was a major update including free spins and bonus rounds for several of our video slots. However, should you still not find them to your liking, there are hundreds of other Casinos that would be more than happy to take your business. I apologize that our games were not up to your discerning standards.

Kind Regards,

Patricia.